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Smith labled a "choke" QB.

Originally posted by FILTHpigskin:


Now, here's a choke artist...



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On First take they were discussing The Saints/Falcons game and the fact they consider Ryan's 3 picks "choke throws".

The 1st and 10 crew said there are few QB's like that in the NFL, Jay Cutler, Philip Rivers, and to an extent, McNabb...

Then for whatever reason they brought up Smith saying in the both games he played he had "choke throws".

I don't know about the rest of the zone, but I don't see Smith as a choke artist.

The Seattle game in '06, then the opener in '07. Plus the chance to really play a full season to show more.

Yeah he's a choke artist the same way he's a 25 year old bust with only one full season as a starter.

He hasn't the opportunity to be a bust...and he hasn't had the opportunity to be a choker.

Wow. So how many years old is that one?

talk about being blind to the point of a sentence. Did you stop reading at he's 25 years old?

Or you can just answer the question. I guess I will.

Back in late season of 2005, some zoners posted they think Alex Smith was going to bust. Based on a historically terrible rookie season. The vast majority of zoners retorted that it was too early to tell, and he has not had the proper opportunity to label him as anything.

So, the answer is, that excuse is now 4 years old. Just stating the facts.



The point the other poster was trying to make was that he has only had 1 full season as a starter! But I guess you missed that part in your blind rage about Smith starting over Hill now.

no I did not miss, that point was too ridiculous to bring up. WHat does a full season mean?

So, can I join the NFL start 15 of 16 games per year put up a 60 career rating and play 10 years in the league? Afterall, you can't judge a guy without a full season in right?

Throw away arguments are lame. Hey lets look at only full seasons. Or lets look at only post Nolan games. Or lets look at only pre injury games. Or lets look only at post Nolan, full games which of course leaves us with only Indy. OK, lets look only at post nolan full games against non top 10 teams....YEAH.....there are none of those yet...so I can keep hoping.

All of my arguments have always been about Alex Smith's whole body of work...that is his first pre-season game until Today. Perhaps that is why my predictions are coming true, because I did not cherry pick analysis

Did you predict that he would come out and really open people's eyes that this guy might truly become a good NFL quarterback? Kudos to you if you did. I was hoping for it but was not so bold as to predict it.

I predicted him to become a bust. While people still have to use the word "might" about him, that is still very much possible

So your not encouraged at all? It's the same old Alex?

If I had to bet right now, I would say he escapes the bust label. I would also say he is probably going to be the 49er starting QB for a long time.

I doubt he will ever lead us to a ring though. He could be a major contributor to a championship season though. Think Big Ben or Eli.

The problem is, those teams are loaded defensively.

I can live with Alex Smith at the helm like I lived with Jeff Garcia, but if you want a 6th Ring behind him....then we better start drafting much much much better.

WE are getting to that point. I mean, how many members of our defense could we upgrade as 1 1/2 to 2 times better? Goldson? Brown? Sope? we are close, very close. I really hope we get a major upgrade on our offense in the Draft to catch up. It is almost "hired gun" Free Agent time for this team!

If we somehow manage to land Berry and a good o lineman or two, and then a quality pass rusher, we would be serious contenders. Maybe this coming off season will be kind.
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He didn't choke in the last 2 games. Not even close.

Alex Smith is the new Steve Deberg. For you kids who missed little Stevie -- here's the deal.

DeBerg came to the 49ers and immediately assumed the starting position and like the gunslinger he was -- provided an immediate jolt of excitement. He hit multiple receivers with multiple passes.

And yet -- at the end of the game -- he'd either miss a key pass or throw a killer pick and it was "game over pal."

Bill Walsh would later describe him as a QB who was just good enough to hand us one crushing loss after another.

Alex Smith = Steve DeBerg

Sure -- you're going to see signs of brilliance out of Alex. He's gonna hit some amazing passes. Receivers are going to have big days.

But the end result will be another loss. It will always be another loss.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He didn't choke in the last 2 games. Not even close.

Alex Smith is the new Steve Deberg. For you kids who missed little Stevie -- here's the deal.

DeBerg came to the 49ers and immediately assumed the starting position and like the gunslinger he was -- provided an immediate jolt of excitement. He hit multiple receivers with multiple passes.

And yet -- at the end of the game -- he'd either miss a key pass or throw a killer pick and it was "game over pal."

Bill Walsh would later describe him as a QB who was just good enough to hand us one crushing loss after another.

Alex Smith = Steve DeBerg

Sure -- you're going to see signs of brilliance out of Alex. He's gonna hit some amazing passes. Receivers are going to have big days.

But the end result will be another loss. It will always be another loss.


Hangover?
Alex hasn't played long enough to be labeled anything , he is finally healthy and has a few targets to throw to now . Less label him after a few years of healthy football.
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Alex hasn't played long enough to be labeled anything , he is finally healthy and has a few targets to throw to now . Less label him after a few years of healthy football.

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Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Alex hasn't played long enough to be labeled anything , he is finally healthy and has a few targets to throw to now . Less label him after a few years of healthy football.

A few years??

He's already had a few years...it's success or bust right now for him.
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Alex hasn't played long enough to be labeled anything , he is finally healthy and has a few targets to throw to now . Less label him after a few years of healthy football.

A few years??

He's already had a few years...it's success or bust right now for him.

How many years did it take Eli Manning to become a good nfl QB ? And how many years was he healthy ? Smith did not stand a chance when Nowin drafted him to this team , he had no weapons and a different OC every year, and a hurt shoulder that keep him out for 2 seasons . So no this is not a success or bust year right now for him . But yes ,he does need to play well.
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Alex hasn't played long enough to be labeled anything , he is finally healthy and has a few targets to throw to now . Less label him after a few years of healthy football.

A few years??

He's already had a few years...it's success or bust right now for him.

How many years did it take Eli Manning to become a good nfl QB ? And how many years was he healthy ? Smith did not stand a chance when Nowin drafted him to this team , he had no weapons and a different OC every year, and a hurt shoulder that keep him out for 2 seasons . So no this is not a success or bust year right now for him . But yes ,he does need to play well.

On one hand, we are told by some not to get too excited that Smith looks like he is maturing into a legitimate NFL quarterback. Afterall, it has only been six quarters. On the other, if he doesn't produce in a big way right now (after a two year layoff) he is a bust. We are not suppose to rush to judgement on him unless the Niners lose. Though football is the ultimate team game, a loss proves that he is a bust. Do you get the feeling that no matter what Smith does he won't be able to convince some on this board?
Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by xx49erfanxx:
Alex hasn't played long enough to be labeled anything , he is finally healthy and has a few targets to throw to now . Less label him after a few years of healthy football.

A few years??

He's already had a few years...it's success or bust right now for him.

How many years did it take Eli Manning to become a good nfl QB ? And how many years was he healthy ? Smith did not stand a chance when Nowin drafted him to this team , he had no weapons and a different OC every year, and a hurt shoulder that keep him out for 2 seasons . So no this is not a success or bust year right now for him . But yes ,he does need to play well.

On one hand, we are told by some not to get too excited that Smith looks like he is maturing into a legitimate NFL quarterback. Afterall, it has only been six quarters. On the other, if he doesn't produce in a big way right now (after a two year layoff) he is a bust. We are not suppose to rush to judgement on him unless the Niners lose. Though football is the ultimate team game, a loss proves that he is a bust. Do you get the feeling that no matter what Smith does he won't be able to convince some on this board?
I think Smith is going to be fine , yes he is going to have some great games and some bad games . For some people on this board for every great game he will be praised , and for the bad games he will be a bust .
I still cannot fathom why some ppl consider 33 healthy starts a "few seasons."

Are you retarded or just bad at math?
Originally posted by BrianGO:
Its not a trend of his career, but he missed a lot of throws in the Colts game, especially at the end.

If he completed those throws, we had a good chance of winning that game.

19 for 32 is not bad. Especially with the dropsies that were going on all day. Yeah Smith played a part in that but anyone that saw that game knows that Smith was pretty damn solid save for a small handful of times. None of the Passes were dramatically off. I know for a fact there were 2 or 3 that could have been caught had the Receiver made a better play on the ball.

~Ceadder
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
I still cannot fathom why some ppl consider 33 healthy starts a "few seasons."

Are you retarded or just bad at math?

A combination of both along with an overpowering desire to be right even if it is a bad thing for the team, so throw in a little infidelity to boot.
Maybe he meant to say, ''Joke.''
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Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He didn't choke in the last 2 games. Not even close.

Alex Smith is the new Steve Deberg. For you kids who missed little Stevie -- here's the deal.

DeBerg came to the 49ers and immediately assumed the starting position and like the gunslinger he was -- provided an immediate jolt of excitement. He hit multiple receivers with multiple passes.

And yet -- at the end of the game -- he'd either miss a key pass or throw a killer pick and it was "game over pal."

Bill Walsh would later describe him as a QB who was just good enough to hand us one crushing loss after another.

Alex Smith = Steve DeBerg

Sure -- you're going to see signs of brilliance out of Alex. He's gonna hit some amazing passes. Receivers are going to have big days.

But the end result will be another loss. It will always be another loss.

Read MM's thoughts about Smith. Matt M. has only been to every practice, game, and in the locker room since Smith started in the league.
I would think he may know a little more than you about Smith

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/11/walker-ready-to-bust-out-smith-returns-home.html
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