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MBarrows: No dirty player on team, but that's a bad thing

because we need OLineman with a mean streak. Kind of like Larry Allen and Kevin Gogan
Originally posted by FourNine49:
So does no dirty player mean we're soft?

When it comes to the OLine yes!
I don't think we need one but I would want one 'dirty' player at each of these positions:

Safety
D-line
O-line
Special team

Kickers and punters are excluded, can't be dirty if you're just kicking the ball, if these guys can make a decent tackle, it's good.

Oh, and we need one 'dirty' coach to teach the tricks. I think McKittrick was accused of it by Howie Long
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I don't think we need one but I would want one 'dirty' player at each of these positions:

Safety
D-line
O-line
Special team

Kickers and punters are excluded, can't be dirty if you're just kicking the ball, if these guys can make a decent tackle, it's good.

Oh, and we need one 'dirty' coach to teach the tricks. I think McKittrick was accused of it by Howie Long

That is probably why our OLine was so great. RIP
I agree that the team needs some attitude. I think the O-line could use some big time.
I thought Rachal could turn into that kinda guy, but he's gotten owned all season. Kinda hard to act like that when you're getting blown up every other play.
Sims might bring some attitude to the O-line now that he'll be starting for a few weeks, but once Staley comes back Sims will be an afterthought.

Boone could add some attitude, but that will have to wait. He obviously isn't ready to play, otherwise he'd be on the 53 man roster.
Originally posted by DShanghai69er:
Dirty players, no thanks.

Players with mean steaks or a bit of cockiness, yes.

On either side of the ball, I just don't see a single player who really revs our team up on or off the field on Sundays. Shaun Hill was supposed to be the offensive guy who had the "intangibles", but he obviously couldn't get the job done. P. Willy was expected to "lead" the team on defense, but they've had to take the headset away from him 'cause he can't handle the responsibilities.

Where's our Ray Lewis / Ed Reed type, vocal leader on defense?

Where's our smack-talkin', aggressive leader on offense?

P.S. I never appreciated V.D.'s excessive celebration penalties last year when he wasn't performing on a regular basis, had the dropsies, and didn't really "deserve" to celebrate. But now that Singletary has castrated him, I wish the ol', aggressive V.D. would come back and start bumpin' heads with our guys on offense to get 'em goin', etc. At least now V.D. has earned the right to lead our offense with his league-leading 7 TDs...

Shanghai'D

Been reading your posts for a while now - much respect. Keep it up.
Originally posted by DarthNiner:
1984 Niners didn't have any dirty players and went 18-1

I don't see the correlation, really.

lol....yea...they did
Dirty players - NO. Nasty, mean, aggressive, intimidating player - HELL YEAH. It gets the other teams players thinking about more than their game.

OL is the best place for the offense - a nasty player is great for setting the tone of dominating the other team in the trenches. We could really use a Gogan or Larry Allen back - wonder why Dahl wasn't considered for guard while he was with us? He seems to have developed well for the Falcons as that player.

On defense - if has to be a big LB or DE type player - unless of course you are Albert Hainsworth at DT.

And safety is good for intimidating receivers -- wasn't Goldson supposed to be a "big hitter" and ball hawk? Maybe he is still learning the position being his first year as a starter. Was nice to have Keith Lewis back there though!!
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by DShanghai69er:
Dirty players, no thanks.

Players with mean steaks or a bit of cockiness, yes.

On either side of the ball, I just don't see a single player who really revs our team up on or off the field on Sundays. Shaun Hill was supposed to be the offensive guy who had the "intangibles", but he obviously couldn't get the job done. P. Willy was expected to "lead" the team on defense, but they've had to take the headset away from him 'cause he can't handle the responsibilities.

Where's our Ray Lewis / Ed Reed type, vocal leader on defense?

Where's our smack-talkin', aggressive leader on offense?

P.S. I never appreciated V.D.'s excessive celebration penalties last year when he wasn't performing on a regular basis, had the dropsies, and didn't really "deserve" to celebrate. But now that Singletary has castrated him, I wish the ol', aggressive V.D. would come back and start bumpin' heads with our guys on offense to get 'em goin', etc. At least now V.D. has earned the right to lead our offense with his league-leading 7 TDs...

Shanghai'D

Been reading your posts for a while now - much respect. Keep it up.

E.Reed isnt vocal but I get the point. The 9ers have a few vocal leaders ie Spikes and Gore. But its hard to be vocal if you havent won anything yet. Ray Lewis wasn't the leader before the Super Bowl as he is now. In fact when the Ravens won the Super Bowl, their vocal leaders were Shannon Sharpe, Rod Woodson and Mike McCray. The FA the 9ers have brought in have been the workman-type FA. And there is nothing wrong with that. But a team should have a mix of not just those type players but also high-intensity/aggressive players. Nolan strayed away from those types of players. Hopefully, now with Sing, he can bring a few of those players into the fold.
Much love here for Justin Smith on the DLine and his non-stop motor. On the OLine, we need his intensity. Baas and Snyder don't really bring it, Staley and Rachal could possibly. Heitmann, sound but so-so.
maybe we can add Brandon Spikes this offseason?
Ya, I mean it totally helps when you have someone like Albert Haynesworth; a guy who will stomp on your head while your down.