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We Are a Passing Team...

I like Footballoutsiders.com because of their statistical approach to the game. They take every play into account and adjust according to opposition strength. In their week 8 rating that just came out, the Niners rank 18th overall, up from 21st last week.

The good news is that the D ranks 6th, 11th against the pass and 3rd against the run.

The bad news is that the O ranks 22nd. However, the passing game ranks 19th, and if Alex had thrown enough passes to be ranked with the other starting QB's, he would be right up there with Peyton, Brady and Brees. Of course his last 2 games might be an aberation, and one would expect that he will regress to the mean.

The running game ranks 27th out of the 32 teams. Only Houston, Chicago, KC, Arizona and Seattle have worse running games. This is reality, and it certainly conflicts with Singletary's notion that the Niners are a running team. Hopefully, he will soon face reality and adjust.
We should adjust this week against a poor secondary.
Originally posted by tohara3:
We should adjust this week against a poor secondary.

Yes, and maybe if we passed more successfully, we would be able to run more successfully.
Our best offensive weapons are Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Michael Crabtree.

All three are good pass catchers.
Only two factor in the running game.

I can agree to the fact that we are now a Passing Team.
No we aren't.

If you listened to Sing today he got into Murph's @$$ because Murph didn't know how to put it.

He stated that we Pass more than we Run. True.

But when you're behind you HAVE to Pass more. Anyone that sticks to the Run when the clock is dwindling and is having to play catchup is not a good HC. Everyone knows this. It's not new.

Murph pointed out that while we Passed more it was at the end of the 1st half and then inevitably more in the 2nd since we were having to play catch up.

That does NOT mean we are a Passing team. It just means that in certain situations we HAVE to Pass more than we Run.

Think I'm wrong? Go back to the matchup against the Seaturkeys. We RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN on them so successfully we COULD throw more. 2 80 yarders from Frank won that game for us. If Frank doesn't tear those off then we stick to the Run to keep their Offense off the field as long as possible, we Lose and people are ripping the whole organization at game 2 instead of 2 weeks later.

We are NOT a Passing team. Even with Alex under Center.And honestly I do not think that we are where we need to be to be a Passing team. Yet.

We need to be a BALANCE oriented team. Some games the balance shifts to Run and some to Pass. That's how THIS team can be successful.

~Ceadder

[ Edited by Ceadderman on Nov 3, 2009 at 16:39:45 ]
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=132768

















OUR FORMULA WAS SIMPLE; WE GO OUT AND WE LET THE LAST THREE TEAMS HIT US IN THE MOUTH

[ Edited by sixbricks on Nov 3, 2009 at 16:53:53 ]
We are 1 yard and a cloud of dust. 3 and out and punt. Just the way sing likes it.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
No we aren't.

If you listened to Sing today he got into Murph's @$$ because Murph didn't know how to put it.

He stated that we Pass more than we Run. True.

But when you're behind you HAVE to Pass more. Anyone that sticks to the Run when the clock is dwindling and is having to play catchup is not a good HC. Everyone knows this. It's not new.

Murph pointed out that while we Passed more it was at the end of the 1st half and then inevitably more in the 2nd since we were having to play catch up.

That does NOT mean we are a Passing team. It just means that in certain situations we HAVE to Pass more than we Run.

Think I'm wrong? Go back to the matchup against the Seaturkeys. We RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN on them so successfully we COULD throw more. 2 80 yarders from Frank won that game for us. If Frank doesn't tear those off then we stick to the Run to keep their Offense off the field as long as possible, we Lose and people are ripping the whole organization at game 2 instead of 2 weeks later.

We are NOT a Passing team. Even with Alex under Center.And honestly I do not think that we are where we need to be to be a Passing team. Yet.

We need to be a BALANCE oriented team. Some games the balance shifts to Run and some to Pass. That's how THIS team can be successful.

~Ceadder

Put it this way - we have been way better as a passing team than a running team over 7 games. The numbers clearly show it. I agree that we should be balanced. It's just that so far, we have sucked as a running team.
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
No we aren't.

If you listened to Sing today he got into Murph's @$$ because Murph didn't know how to put it.

He stated that we Pass more than we Run. True.

But when you're behind you HAVE to Pass more. Anyone that sticks to the Run when the clock is dwindling and is having to play catchup is not a good HC. Everyone knows this. It's not new.

Murph pointed out that while we Passed more it was at the end of the 1st half and then inevitably more in the 2nd since we were having to play catch up.

That does NOT mean we are a Passing team. It just means that in certain situations we HAVE to Pass more than we Run.

Think I'm wrong? Go back to the matchup against the Seaturkeys. We RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN on them so successfully we COULD throw more. 2 80 yarders from Frank won that game for us. If Frank doesn't tear those off then we stick to the Run to keep their Offense off the field as long as possible, we Lose and people are ripping the whole organization at game 2 instead of 2 weeks later.

We are NOT a Passing team. Even with Alex under Center.And honestly I do not think that we are where we need to be to be a Passing team. Yet.

We need to be a BALANCE oriented team. Some games the balance shifts to Run and some to Pass. That's how THIS team can be successful.

~Ceadder

Put it this way - we have been way better as a passing team than a running team over 7 games. The numbers clearly show it. I agree that we should be balanced. It's just that so far, we have sucked as a running team.

This is true. Maybe the coaches should try and use the pass to set up the run instead of using our weak ass run game to set up the pass.
Member Milestone: This is post number 400 for ClassicNiner.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
No we aren't.

If you listened to Sing today he got into Murph's @$$ because Murph didn't know how to put it.

He stated that we Pass more than we Run. True.

But when you're behind you HAVE to Pass more. Anyone that sticks to the Run when the clock is dwindling and is having to play catchup is not a good HC. Everyone knows this. It's not new.

Murph pointed out that while we Passed more it was at the end of the 1st half and then inevitably more in the 2nd since we were having to play catch up.

That does NOT mean we are a Passing team. It just means that in certain situations we HAVE to Pass more than we Run.

Think I'm wrong? Go back to the matchup against the Seaturkeys. We RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN on them so successfully we COULD throw more. 2 80 yarders from Frank won that game for us. If Frank doesn't tear those off then we stick to the Run to keep their Offense off the field as long as possible, we Lose and people are ripping the whole organization at game 2 instead of 2 weeks later.

We are NOT a Passing team. Even with Alex under Center.And honestly I do not think that we are where we need to be to be a Passing team. Yet.

We need to be a BALANCE oriented team. Some games the balance shifts to Run and some to Pass. That's how THIS team can be successful.

~Ceadder

Put it this way - we have been way better as a passing team than a running team over 7 games. The numbers clearly show it. I agree that we should be balanced. It's just that so far, we have sucked as a running team.

This is true. Maybe the coaches should try and use the pass to set up the run instead of using our weak ass run game to set up the pass.

I'll vote for that. Let's start next Sunday where it will be easy!
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
No we aren't.

If you listened to Sing today he got into Murph's @$$ because Murph didn't know how to put it.

He stated that we Pass more than we Run. True.

But when you're behind you HAVE to Pass more. Anyone that sticks to the Run when the clock is dwindling and is having to play catchup is not a good HC. Everyone knows this. It's not new.

Murph pointed out that while we Passed more it was at the end of the 1st half and then inevitably more in the 2nd since we were having to play catch up.

That does NOT mean we are a Passing team. It just means that in certain situations we HAVE to Pass more than we Run.

Think I'm wrong? Go back to the matchup against the Seaturkeys. We RAN RAN RAN RAN RAN on them so successfully we COULD throw more. 2 80 yarders from Frank won that game for us. If Frank doesn't tear those off then we stick to the Run to keep their Offense off the field as long as possible, we Lose and people are ripping the whole organization at game 2 instead of 2 weeks later.

We are NOT a Passing team. Even with Alex under Center.And honestly I do not think that we are where we need to be to be a Passing team. Yet.

We need to be a BALANCE oriented team. Some games the balance shifts to Run and some to Pass. That's how THIS team can be successful.

~Ceadder

Put it this way - we have been way better as a passing team than a running team over 7 games. The numbers clearly show it. I agree that we should be balanced. It's just that so far, we have sucked as a running team.

This is true. Maybe the coaches should try and use the pass to set up the run instead of using our weak ass run game to set up the pass.

I'll vote for that. Let's start next Sunday where it will be easy!

I wouldn't mind seeing the team come out of the gates flinging the ball down the field. then throw in some runs when the defense finally starts accounting for the fact that we can pass the ball. After you establish you can pass AND run you can use PA passes to the full extent.
Making the assumption that Hill could not pass a team to victory then it would appear that Singletary decided that running we could do and passing we may do. With that belief system then a strong defense and a ball control offense will keep you near victory.

Now that the Hill experiment has died away we are back with a refurbished Alex Smith and he has shown improvement over the past. Next week we will be playing a tough opponent but we should be favored to win. Now we will get to see if Alex can bring home the bacon. Can he indeed win? Can Crabtree break loose and catch a couple of TDs. Can VD catch another TD? Can we run on the Titans and can we take advantage of the leagues poorest pass defense? If we can then we will win and start to identify ourselves as a specific kind of team.
this better explains why we wouldn't spread it out more yet.

As I understand it, the 49ers have their basic two-minute package that consists of three wide receivers, tight end Vernon Davis and running back Frank Gore. They run many of those plays out of the shotgun formation. But if they want to use that offense during the regular course of the game, they don't have the kind of variety with their play-calling and their adjustments to what the defense is doing. In other words, the 49ers might be able to have success in the short term, but then the defense quickly sees everything the 49ers have to offer and, maybe, there aren't enough adjustments to stay ahead of the curve.

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/11/why-49ers-didnt-spread-it-out-and-a-look-at-o-lines-play.html
Originally posted by Ninefan56:
Making the assumption that Hill could not pass a team to victory then it would appear that Singletary decided that running we could do and passing we may do. With that belief system then a strong defense and a ball control offense will keep you near victory.

Now that the Hill experiment has died away we are back with a refurbished Alex Smith and he has shown improvement over the past. Next week we will be playing a tough opponent but we should be favored to win. Now we will get to see if Alex can bring home the bacon. Can he indeed win? Can Crabtree break loose and catch a couple of TDs. Can VD catch another TD? Can we run on the Titans and can we take advantage of the leagues poorest pass defense? If we can then we will win and start to identify ourselves as a specific kind of team.

This wont happen because Raye sets the QB's up for failure.