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Originally posted by darkknight49:Originally posted by BETTERDAYZ9ERS:
He sucked bring in Hill.........................
Giovanni Carmazzi still available? Or cody pickett? im sure they're better than both Hill and Smith.
Originally posted by D_Niner:Yes, all QBs have some drops, even Manning had some passes dropped. However, the passes the Colts didn't hold were not even remotely as easy to catch as the simple drop by Bruce where even Tim Ryan said it was one he should catch 999 times out of 1,000, OR the EASY drop by Davis on a throw that hit him in the numbers, OR the time Davis didn't even make an attempt to drag his left foot to stay in bounds.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:There are also some who would add the four easily catchable balls that were dropped to Smith's rating and see that he did better than Manning...but not everyone chooses to look beyond pure stats.Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...
He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...
Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.
If you look at the stats for this game it looks like S.Hill on paper but if you watched the actual game it's obvious there's a difference and who the better QB is.If Raye didn't go vanilla most of the game Smith's stats would not only look "prettier" they would have won a game they had no business even being competitive in.
Smith's stats for the year in 1 1/2 games:
34-54 for 404yds 4td 2int 7.5avg 63%comp 95.0 rtg
Hill's stats for the year in 6 games:
87-155 for 943yds 5td 2int 6.1avg 56.1%comp 79.6 rtg
At this point Smith's stats look more favorable
The question was how he did today. Not last week, not 2006 but today. Now today, he played at the same level as Shaun Hill.
Look, all I'm saying is that this kid has not put up numbers that we as fans should be content with (just for the record neither has Hill). This type of QB play will not get us wins against good teams. Our D is just not good enough to carry poor QB play
You're overreacting he didn't play "poor" against Indy-not great,not poor but ok.
I'm overreacting? His performance was below average for NFL standards. Below average = poor to me. Just ok would = average and Good would be above average.
Look at it this way, there are several who consider Hill's QB accomplishments to be poor. Maybe this is why he is not our starting QB anymore? Alex had a Shaun Hill type of day (look at the stats). Now if Hill's stats are poor and Alex put up just as dismal numbers, then Alex's performance was poor.
And there are those of you who only choose to make excuses. The fact is that all QB's have receivers who drop good passes. None of them get a little star by their name to say "but 4 of his drops weren't his fault". Smith had a Shaun Hill stat type of day. I hope he gets better and I think he can; but, his performance yesterday wasn't all that great....
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by Afrikan:The throw was 12" too high for Crabtree to catch it. That is a HUGE difference between the kind of those he made three years ago.Originally posted by dj43:I keep reading this over and over.... the difference between Peyton and Alex is that Peyton has proven himself in this league....where as Alex as proven to over throw his WRs in the middle of the field...he use to do this before his injury and even did this during the preseason game at the Stick...Originally posted by obx49:You could say the exact same thing about the way Peyton played today...Originally posted by Afrikan:
I see alot of posts consisting "Greats" and alot of "Very Well" as far as how he played today....
I don't agree with this at all... I think he did fine but needs to improve... he is playing like how he played before getting injured....which isn't necessary a good thing....
alot on here wanted to blame that INT on Crabtree but that was not the case.... Alex threw it high and away......Alex can get away with this as far as passes to the side line....but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low....
and there was another pass that was an INT that was dropped by the cb....
so besides these passes...... Isaac Bruce let him down, dropped very easy catchable passes....and of course, imo, Raye let him down by not letting him get into rythem....this is one thing have been complaining for most of the season with Hill back there.....the playcalling doesn't really give our QB chances to get into rythem.... I believe that WildCat on 2nd down was a wasted play....and that 2nd down inside hand off to Norris of all people on 2nd and 10 WTF???
but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.
and of course those delay of game penalties are killing us....he should have been paying attention or if the playcall came in late he should have called time out... it went from being 3rd 7 to 3rd 11 on that crucial drive......
but yeah the Playcalling is what frustrates me...the formations we use....like someone else has mentioned, even when we come out in Shogun, Gore was still able to get some good yardage on a play.....we have to spread the defense out...and let Alex look at everything and decide early what he needs to do....when everyone is bunched in together and our Oline has let our QBs down on simple blocking assignments it makes a QB's job that much harder to try and read what a defense is going to do.......for as much as we run it.... I don't remember seeing one playaction rollout...or bootleg... I don't get it.......also not one deep pass attempt...why is this?
some on here need to be prepared for the reality of what is going to happen next week.....although most on here feel Alex played Very Well....next weeks game is going to be at the Stick...and the home fans have had no problem booing him after one series in the past...mainly because of having to pay to see him and our offenses struggle in the past.......so Alex needs to play efficient....Bruce needs to do his job...the oline will need to do their job...but more importantly Raye is going to have to do his job by putting Alex in the situation to make our offense successful.....or else it is going to get ugly at the stick....even if the game is close... we can't turn the ball over in the middle of the field like today.
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but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low
Exactly!
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but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.
This statement should be pinned on the first page of the Alex Smith thread.
Excellent post!
on top of that I didn't see Peyton overthrow his WR over the middle today...
again I don't expect him to be perfect on his passes....just don't make those mistakes in the middle of the field where there are alot of defenders ready to make a play. Its real simple...if you can hit the numbers throw it low...
Yes, I fully understand high throws down the middle can be dangerous, but that was a reasonable risk to take on that throw. It was the only throw in 6 quarters that had that degree of risk. Unfortunately it didn't connect.
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:Yes, all QBs have some drops, even Manning had some passes dropped. However, the passes the Colts didn't hold were not even remotely as easy to catch as the simple drop by Bruce where even Tim Ryan said it was one he should catch 999 times out of 1,000, OR the EASY drop by Davis on a throw that hit him in the numbers, OR the time Davis didn't even make an attempt to drag his left foot to stay in bounds.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:There are also some who would add the four easily catchable balls that were dropped to Smith's rating and see that he did better than Manning...but not everyone chooses to look beyond pure stats.Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...
He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...
Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.
If you look at the stats for this game it looks like S.Hill on paper but if you watched the actual game it's obvious there's a difference and who the better QB is.If Raye didn't go vanilla most of the game Smith's stats would not only look "prettier" they would have won a game they had no business even being competitive in.
Smith's stats for the year in 1 1/2 games:
34-54 for 404yds 4td 2int 7.5avg 63%comp 95.0 rtg
Hill's stats for the year in 6 games:
87-155 for 943yds 5td 2int 6.1avg 56.1%comp 79.6 rtg
At this point Smith's stats look more favorable
The question was how he did today. Not last week, not 2006 but today. Now today, he played at the same level as Shaun Hill.
Look, all I'm saying is that this kid has not put up numbers that we as fans should be content with (just for the record neither has Hill). This type of QB play will not get us wins against good teams. Our D is just not good enough to carry poor QB play
You're overreacting he didn't play "poor" against Indy-not great,not poor but ok.
I'm overreacting? His performance was below average for NFL standards. Below average = poor to me. Just ok would = average and Good would be above average.
Look at it this way, there are several who consider Hill's QB accomplishments to be poor. Maybe this is why he is not our starting QB anymore? Alex had a Shaun Hill type of day (look at the stats). Now if Hill's stats are poor and Alex put up just as dismal numbers, then Alex's performance was poor.
And there are those of you who only choose to make excuses. The fact is that all QB's have receivers who drop good passes. None of them get a little star by their name to say "but 4 of his drops weren't his fault". Smith had a Shaun Hill stat type of day. I hope he gets better and I think he can; but, his performance yesterday wasn't all that great....
As to the comparison with Shaun Hill; that is almost laughable. There were 5-7 completions Smith had that were on passes Hill could not have even gotten to the receivers, hence, the comparison to Hill is invalid. That long completion to Crabtree is a ball Hill is not capable of throwing. Four sideline completions were rockets that the DB knocks down or even picks if Hill is throwing his wounded ducks.
You appear to be missing a big part of why Smith is in the game in the first place. Hill would not have even come close to Smith's numbers in that game yesterday. He just isn't capable of making most of those throws.
Bottom line: Alex Smith kept the 49ers in a game yesterday against a team that looks like a Super Bowl team this year, certainly one of the three best in the league. Shaun Hill was not capable of doing that. Numbers be damned, Hill could not have done what Smith did...PERIOD.
Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:Yes, all QBs have some drops, even Manning had some passes dropped. However, the passes the Colts didn't hold were not even remotely as easy to catch as the simple drop by Bruce where even Tim Ryan said it was one he should catch 999 times out of 1,000, OR the EASY drop by Davis on a throw that hit him in the numbers, OR the time Davis didn't even make an attempt to drag his left foot to stay in bounds.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:There are also some who would add the four easily catchable balls that were dropped to Smith's rating and see that he did better than Manning...but not everyone chooses to look beyond pure stats.Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...
He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...
Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.
If you look at the stats for this game it looks like S.Hill on paper but if you watched the actual game it's obvious there's a difference and who the better QB is.If Raye didn't go vanilla most of the game Smith's stats would not only look "prettier" they would have won a game they had no business even being competitive in.
Smith's stats for the year in 1 1/2 games:
34-54 for 404yds 4td 2int 7.5avg 63%comp 95.0 rtg
Hill's stats for the year in 6 games:
87-155 for 943yds 5td 2int 6.1avg 56.1%comp 79.6 rtg
At this point Smith's stats look more favorable
The question was how he did today. Not last week, not 2006 but today. Now today, he played at the same level as Shaun Hill.
Look, all I'm saying is that this kid has not put up numbers that we as fans should be content with (just for the record neither has Hill). This type of QB play will not get us wins against good teams. Our D is just not good enough to carry poor QB play
You're overreacting he didn't play "poor" against Indy-not great,not poor but ok.
I'm overreacting? His performance was below average for NFL standards. Below average = poor to me. Just ok would = average and Good would be above average.
Look at it this way, there are several who consider Hill's QB accomplishments to be poor. Maybe this is why he is not our starting QB anymore? Alex had a Shaun Hill type of day (look at the stats). Now if Hill's stats are poor and Alex put up just as dismal numbers, then Alex's performance was poor.
And there are those of you who only choose to make excuses. The fact is that all QB's have receivers who drop good passes. None of them get a little star by their name to say "but 4 of his drops weren't his fault". Smith had a Shaun Hill stat type of day. I hope he gets better and I think he can; but, his performance yesterday wasn't all that great....
As to the comparison with Shaun Hill; that is almost laughable. There were 5-7 completions Smith had that were on passes Hill could not have even gotten to the receivers, hence, the comparison to Hill is invalid. That long completion to Crabtree is a ball Hill is not capable of throwing. Four sideline completions were rockets that the DB knocks down or even picks if Hill is throwing his wounded ducks.
You appear to be missing a big part of why Smith is in the game in the first place. Hill would not have even come close to Smith's numbers in that game yesterday. He just isn't capable of making most of those throws.
Bottom line: Alex Smith kept the 49ers in a game yesterday against a team that looks like a Super Bowl team this year, certainly one of the three best in the league. Shaun Hill was not capable of doing that. Numbers be damned, Hill could not have done what Smith did...PERIOD.
Originally posted by BSofSF:
Was just looking up some information on the upcoming Titans game and saw some statistics that put yesterday's performance in perspective. Colts have the fifth best pass defense in the league and have given up 3 passing touchdowns this year. (Titans have given up 19, and are ranked 32nd against the pass).
Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:Yes, all QBs have some drops, even Manning had some passes dropped. However, the passes the Colts didn't hold were not even remotely as easy to catch as the simple drop by Bruce where even Tim Ryan said it was one he should catch 999 times out of 1,000, OR the EASY drop by Davis on a throw that hit him in the numbers, OR the time Davis didn't even make an attempt to drag his left foot to stay in bounds.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:There are also some who would add the four easily catchable balls that were dropped to Smith's rating and see that he did better than Manning...but not everyone chooses to look beyond pure stats.Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...
He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...
Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.
If you look at the stats for this game it looks like S.Hill on paper but if you watched the actual game it's obvious there's a difference and who the better QB is.If Raye didn't go vanilla most of the game Smith's stats would not only look "prettier" they would have won a game they had no business even being competitive in.
Dude look at the teams they both played every single one of the teams hill played has a pass d of worse than 20 EVERY TEAM where smith played a 5 ranked pass d and was more productive
Smith's stats for the year in 1 1/2 games:
34-54 for 404yds 4td 2int 7.5avg 63%comp 95.0 rtg
Hill's stats for the year in 6 games:
87-155 for 943yds 5td 2int 6.1avg 56.1%comp 79.6 rtg
At this point Smith's stats look more favorable
The question was how he did today. Not last week, not 2006 but today. Now today, he played at the same level as Shaun Hill.
Look, all I'm saying is that this kid has not put up numbers that we as fans should be content with (just for the record neither has Hill). This type of QB play will not get us wins against good teams. Our D is just not good enough to carry poor QB play
You're overreacting he didn't play "poor" against Indy-not great,not poor but ok.
I'm overreacting? His performance was below average for NFL standards. Below average = poor to me. Just ok would = average and Good would be above average.
Look at it this way, there are several who consider Hill's QB accomplishments to be poor. Maybe this is why he is not our starting QB anymore? Alex had a Shaun Hill type of day (look at the stats). Now if Hill's stats are poor and Alex put up just as dismal numbers, then Alex's performance was poor.
And there are those of you who only choose to make excuses. The fact is that all QB's have receivers who drop good passes. None of them get a little star by their name to say "but 4 of his drops weren't his fault". Smith had a Shaun Hill stat type of day. I hope he gets better and I think he can; but, his performance yesterday wasn't all that great....
As to the comparison with Shaun Hill; that is almost laughable. There were 5-7 completions Smith had that were on passes Hill could not have even gotten to the receivers, hence, the comparison to Hill is invalid. That long completion to Crabtree is a ball Hill is not capable of throwing. Four sideline completions were rockets that the DB knocks down or even picks if Hill is throwing his wounded ducks.
You appear to be missing a big part of why Smith is in the game in the first place. Hill would not have even come close to Smith's numbers in that game yesterday. He just isn't capable of making most of those throws.
Bottom line: Alex Smith kept the 49ers in a game yesterday against a team that looks like a Super Bowl team this year, certainly one of the three best in the league. Shaun Hill was not capable of doing that. Numbers be damned, Hill could not have done what Smith did...PERIOD.
Again with the excuses. Do you even realize Hill and Smith play a different type of game? Of course Smith made throws that Hill wouldn't have been able to. If Hill was in, his completion % would most likely be higher than Smiths was. This is because they play 2 different types of games... I'm not arguing that Hill would have done better or should even be the starter. All I'm saying is that at the end of the day, Smith did not net much better than what Hill has done for us all year. How hard is this for you Smith lovers to understand?
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:Yes, all QBs have some drops, even Manning had some passes dropped. However, the passes the Colts didn't hold were not even remotely as easy to catch as the simple drop by Bruce where even Tim Ryan said it was one he should catch 999 times out of 1,000, OR the EASY drop by Davis on a throw that hit him in the numbers, OR the time Davis didn't even make an attempt to drag his left foot to stay in bounds.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:There are also some who would add the four easily catchable balls that were dropped to Smith's rating and see that he did better than Manning...but not everyone chooses to look beyond pure stats.Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...
He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...
Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.
If you look at the stats for this game it looks like S.Hill on paper but if you watched the actual game it's obvious there's a difference and who the better QB is.If Raye didn't go vanilla most of the game Smith's stats would not only look "prettier" they would have won a game they had no business even being competitive in.
Dude look at the teams they both played every single one of the teams hill played has a pass d of worse than 20 EVERY TEAM where smith played a 5 ranked pass d and was more productive
Smith's stats for the year in 1 1/2 games:
34-54 for 404yds 4td 2int 7.5avg 63%comp 95.0 rtg
Hill's stats for the year in 6 games:
87-155 for 943yds 5td 2int 6.1avg 56.1%comp 79.6 rtg
At this point Smith's stats look more favorable
The question was how he did today. Not last week, not 2006 but today. Now today, he played at the same level as Shaun Hill.
Look, all I'm saying is that this kid has not put up numbers that we as fans should be content with (just for the record neither has Hill). This type of QB play will not get us wins against good teams. Our D is just not good enough to carry poor QB play
You're overreacting he didn't play "poor" against Indy-not great,not poor but ok.
I'm overreacting? His performance was below average for NFL standards. Below average = poor to me. Just ok would = average and Good would be above average.
Look at it this way, there are several who consider Hill's QB accomplishments to be poor. Maybe this is why he is not our starting QB anymore? Alex had a Shaun Hill type of day (look at the stats). Now if Hill's stats are poor and Alex put up just as dismal numbers, then Alex's performance was poor.
And there are those of you who only choose to make excuses. The fact is that all QB's have receivers who drop good passes. None of them get a little star by their name to say "but 4 of his drops weren't his fault". Smith had a Shaun Hill stat type of day. I hope he gets better and I think he can; but, his performance yesterday wasn't all that great....
As to the comparison with Shaun Hill; that is almost laughable. There were 5-7 completions Smith had that were on passes Hill could not have even gotten to the receivers, hence, the comparison to Hill is invalid. That long completion to Crabtree is a ball Hill is not capable of throwing. Four sideline completions were rockets that the DB knocks down or even picks if Hill is throwing his wounded ducks.
You appear to be missing a big part of why Smith is in the game in the first place. Hill would not have even come close to Smith's numbers in that game yesterday. He just isn't capable of making most of those throws.
Bottom line: Alex Smith kept the 49ers in a game yesterday against a team that looks like a Super Bowl team this year, certainly one of the three best in the league. Shaun Hill was not capable of doing that. Numbers be damned, Hill could not have done what Smith did...PERIOD.
Again with the excuses. Do you even realize Hill and Smith play a different type of game? Of course Smith made throws that Hill wouldn't have been able to. If Hill was in, his completion % would most likely be higher than Smiths was. This is because they play 2 different types of games... I'm not arguing that Hill would have done better or should even be the starter. All I'm saying is that at the end of the day, Smith did not net much better than what Hill has done for us all year. How hard is this for you Smith lovers to understand?
Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:Yes, all QBs have some drops, even Manning had some passes dropped. However, the passes the Colts didn't hold were not even remotely as easy to catch as the simple drop by Bruce where even Tim Ryan said it was one he should catch 999 times out of 1,000, OR the EASY drop by Davis on a throw that hit him in the numbers, OR the time Davis didn't even make an attempt to drag his left foot to stay in bounds.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:There are also some who would add the four easily catchable balls that were dropped to Smith's rating and see that he did better than Manning...but not everyone chooses to look beyond pure stats.Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...
He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...
Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.
If you look at the stats for this game it looks like S.Hill on paper but if you watched the actual game it's obvious there's a difference and who the better QB is.If Raye didn't go vanilla most of the game Smith's stats would not only look "prettier" they would have won a game they had no business even being competitive in.
Smith's stats for the year in 1 1/2 games:
34-54 for 404yds 4td 2int 7.5avg 63%comp 95.0 rtg
Hill's stats for the year in 6 games:
87-155 for 943yds 5td 2int 6.1avg 56.1%comp 79.6 rtg
At this point Smith's stats look more favorable
The question was how he did today. Not last week, not 2006 but today. Now today, he played at the same level as Shaun Hill.
Look, all I'm saying is that this kid has not put up numbers that we as fans should be content with (just for the record neither has Hill). This type of QB play will not get us wins against good teams. Our D is just not good enough to carry poor QB play
You're overreacting he didn't play "poor" against Indy-not great,not poor but ok.
I'm overreacting? His performance was below average for NFL standards. Below average = poor to me. Just ok would = average and Good would be above average.
Look at it this way, there are several who consider Hill's QB accomplishments to be poor. Maybe this is why he is not our starting QB anymore? Alex had a Shaun Hill type of day (look at the stats). Now if Hill's stats are poor and Alex put up just as dismal numbers, then Alex's performance was poor.
And there are those of you who only choose to make excuses. The fact is that all QB's have receivers who drop good passes. None of them get a little star by their name to say "but 4 of his drops weren't his fault". Smith had a Shaun Hill stat type of day. I hope he gets better and I think he can; but, his performance yesterday wasn't all that great....
As to the comparison with Shaun Hill; that is almost laughable. There were 5-7 completions Smith had that were on passes Hill could not have even gotten to the receivers, hence, the comparison to Hill is invalid. That long completion to Crabtree is a ball Hill is not capable of throwing. Four sideline completions were rockets that the DB knocks down or even picks if Hill is throwing his wounded ducks.
You appear to be missing a big part of why Smith is in the game in the first place. Hill would not have even come close to Smith's numbers in that game yesterday. He just isn't capable of making most of those throws.
Bottom line: Alex Smith kept the 49ers in a game yesterday against a team that looks like a Super Bowl team this year, certainly one of the three best in the league. Shaun Hill was not capable of doing that. Numbers be damned, Hill could not have done what Smith did...PERIOD.
Again with the excuses. Do you even realize Hill and Smith play a different type of game? Of course Smith made throws that Hill wouldn't have been able to. If Hill was in, his completion % would most likely be higher than Smiths was. This is because they play 2 different types of games... I'm not arguing that Hill would have done better or should even be the starter. All I'm saying is that at the end of the day, Smith did not net much better than what Hill has done for us all year. How hard is this for you Smith lovers to understand?
Originally posted by Afrikan:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by Afrikan:The throw was 12" too high for Crabtree to catch it. That is a HUGE difference between the kind of those he made three years ago.Originally posted by dj43:I keep reading this over and over.... the difference between Peyton and Alex is that Peyton has proven himself in this league....where as Alex as proven to over throw his WRs in the middle of the field...he use to do this before his injury and even did this during the preseason game at the Stick...Originally posted by obx49:You could say the exact same thing about the way Peyton played today...Originally posted by Afrikan:
I see alot of posts consisting "Greats" and alot of "Very Well" as far as how he played today....
I don't agree with this at all... I think he did fine but needs to improve... he is playing like how he played before getting injured....which isn't necessary a good thing....
alot on here wanted to blame that INT on Crabtree but that was not the case.... Alex threw it high and away......Alex can get away with this as far as passes to the side line....but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low....
and there was another pass that was an INT that was dropped by the cb....
so besides these passes...... Isaac Bruce let him down, dropped very easy catchable passes....and of course, imo, Raye let him down by not letting him get into rythem....this is one thing have been complaining for most of the season with Hill back there.....the playcalling doesn't really give our QB chances to get into rythem.... I believe that WildCat on 2nd down was a wasted play....and that 2nd down inside hand off to Norris of all people on 2nd and 10 WTF???
but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.
and of course those delay of game penalties are killing us....he should have been paying attention or if the playcall came in late he should have called time out... it went from being 3rd 7 to 3rd 11 on that crucial drive......
but yeah the Playcalling is what frustrates me...the formations we use....like someone else has mentioned, even when we come out in Shogun, Gore was still able to get some good yardage on a play.....we have to spread the defense out...and let Alex look at everything and decide early what he needs to do....when everyone is bunched in together and our Oline has let our QBs down on simple blocking assignments it makes a QB's job that much harder to try and read what a defense is going to do.......for as much as we run it.... I don't remember seeing one playaction rollout...or bootleg... I don't get it.......also not one deep pass attempt...why is this?
some on here need to be prepared for the reality of what is going to happen next week.....although most on here feel Alex played Very Well....next weeks game is going to be at the Stick...and the home fans have had no problem booing him after one series in the past...mainly because of having to pay to see him and our offenses struggle in the past.......so Alex needs to play efficient....Bruce needs to do his job...the oline will need to do their job...but more importantly Raye is going to have to do his job by putting Alex in the situation to make our offense successful.....or else it is going to get ugly at the stick....even if the game is close... we can't turn the ball over in the middle of the field like today.
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but when throwing it in the middle of the field he needs to either be accurate or miss low
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but back to Alex... this is one thing that drives me crazy...which I don't understand... he made some PERFECT throws...hooked up well with Crabtree for some first down.....but after hitting perfect passes....he can be TOTALLY off...and he does this in the middle of the field..the worst place to do so.
This statement should be pinned on the first page of the Alex Smith thread.
Excellent post!
on top of that I didn't see Peyton overthrow his WR over the middle today...
again I don't expect him to be perfect on his passes....just don't make those mistakes in the middle of the field where there are alot of defenders ready to make a play. Its real simple...if you can hit the numbers throw it low...
Yes, I fully understand high throws down the middle can be dangerous, but that was a reasonable risk to take on that throw. It was the only throw in 6 quarters that had that degree of risk. Unfortunately it didn't connect.
fair enough.... I'm not saying bench Alex because of that one throw...just warning for some on here that if he does again.....at Candlestick....it could get real ugly real fast...
3 things.....
if Alex doesn't throw a pick over the middle...and cuts down on his mistakes his own..then that is great....really shows maturity....
if Alex does throw a pick over the middle or just a makes a WTF? play.......hears the whole Crowd booin the **** out of him........but STILL keeps himself together and comes back and plays well enough to win the game....then that is even Better.
if Alex does throw a pick over the middle or just a makes a WTF? play...and lets the Crowd/pressure get to him.....then that doesn't bold well for him or the team.
I'm just trying to be realistic here.... I'm not a type of fan who boos....usually after a INT or mistake from any of our players... I usually react with a "Come on MAN....Jesus" or "ARE YOU SERIOUS???" or "FUUUUUUUU".....then just leave it at that and get ready to watch the next play.......but our home crowd is more relentless.....so I hope Singletary, Raye, and Alex all take this into consideration....and the coaches let Alex play.
Originally posted by eastie:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:Yes, all QBs have some drops, even Manning had some passes dropped. However, the passes the Colts didn't hold were not even remotely as easy to catch as the simple drop by Bruce where even Tim Ryan said it was one he should catch 999 times out of 1,000, OR the EASY drop by Davis on a throw that hit him in the numbers, OR the time Davis didn't even make an attempt to drag his left foot to stay in bounds.Originally posted by dj43:Originally posted by D_Niner:There are also some who would add the four easily catchable balls that were dropped to Smith's rating and see that he did better than Manning...but not everyone chooses to look beyond pure stats.Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by Super5:Originally posted by D_Niner:Originally posted by D_Niner:
Meh...
He did about the same as Hill has all season. Less than 60% completions, less than 200 yards passing, 1TD and 1 Int... We need a real effin QB instead of these losers...
Oh, and a 74.7 QB rate... We could insert these numbers directly into Hill's stat sheet and no one would know the difference.
If you look at the stats for this game it looks like S.Hill on paper but if you watched the actual game it's obvious there's a difference and who the better QB is.If Raye didn't go vanilla most of the game Smith's stats would not only look "prettier" they would have won a game they had no business even being competitive in.
Smith's stats for the year in 1 1/2 games:
34-54 for 404yds 4td 2int 7.5avg 63%comp 95.0 rtg
Hill's stats for the year in 6 games:
87-155 for 943yds 5td 2int 6.1avg 56.1%comp 79.6 rtg
At this point Smith's stats look more favorable
The question was how he did today. Not last week, not 2006 but today. Now today, he played at the same level as Shaun Hill.
Look, all I'm saying is that this kid has not put up numbers that we as fans should be content with (just for the record neither has Hill). This type of QB play will not get us wins against good teams. Our D is just not good enough to carry poor QB play
You're overreacting he didn't play "poor" against Indy-not great,not poor but ok.
I'm overreacting? His performance was below average for NFL standards. Below average = poor to me. Just ok would = average and Good would be above average.
Look at it this way, there are several who consider Hill's QB accomplishments to be poor. Maybe this is why he is not our starting QB anymore? Alex had a Shaun Hill type of day (look at the stats). Now if Hill's stats are poor and Alex put up just as dismal numbers, then Alex's performance was poor.
And there are those of you who only choose to make excuses. The fact is that all QB's have receivers who drop good passes. None of them get a little star by their name to say "but 4 of his drops weren't his fault". Smith had a Shaun Hill stat type of day. I hope he gets better and I think he can; but, his performance yesterday wasn't all that great....
As to the comparison with Shaun Hill; that is almost laughable. There were 5-7 completions Smith had that were on passes Hill could not have even gotten to the receivers, hence, the comparison to Hill is invalid. That long completion to Crabtree is a ball Hill is not capable of throwing. Four sideline completions were rockets that the DB knocks down or even picks if Hill is throwing his wounded ducks.
You appear to be missing a big part of why Smith is in the game in the first place. Hill would not have even come close to Smith's numbers in that game yesterday. He just isn't capable of making most of those throws.
Bottom line: Alex Smith kept the 49ers in a game yesterday against a team that looks like a Super Bowl team this year, certainly one of the three best in the league. Shaun Hill was not capable of doing that. Numbers be damned, Hill could not have done what Smith did...PERIOD.
Again with the excuses. Do you even realize Hill and Smith play a different type of game? Of course Smith made throws that Hill wouldn't have been able to. If Hill was in, his completion % would most likely be higher than Smiths was. This is because they play 2 different types of games... I'm not arguing that Hill would have done better or should even be the starter. All I'm saying is that at the end of the day, Smith did not net much better than what Hill has done for us all year. How hard is this for you Smith lovers to understand?
I call bullcrap! If Hill were quaterbacking yesterday the Colt defense would have been ALL OVER our receivers because they know he can't get the ball downfield. Their D-line would have been licking their chops at the prospect of Hill standing back there like a statue. If Hill was inthere his interceptions would have been around 2-4, his fumbles 1-2, and the game would have been a Colt blowout, just like the last 2 games Hill started.
