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Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

49wyztoscore
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Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:

I don't see the Superman option.

LOL. I have those same exact cleats. Thats weird.

Oct 30, 2009 at 4:42 PM

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his ceiling is still pretty damn high..

Being that he is still only 25, with this chance he has right now, and can prove himself.. I think he can be our QB for the next 8+ seasons and can get some probowl apperences and some rings, than you can place him up there with Manning and other great QB..

skys still the limit, dont right him off yet

Oct 30, 2009 at 4:44 PM

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HaiGuise
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He's come a long way since his small hands days.

Oct 30, 2009 at 4:45 PM

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HaiGuise
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More evidence

Oct 30, 2009 at 4:47 PM

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Memphis9er
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Originally posted by HaiGuise:
He's come a long way since his small hands days.

@ the photoshop job. Smith never had small hands, that was just a myth perpetuated by the people that wanted him benched. He has bigger hands than Crabtree I think someone posted here the other day that his hands measure 9 3/4 inches at the combine.

Oct 30, 2009 at 5:14 PM

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Originally posted by D_Niner:
I'd assume it's 8 ft; but, I could be wrong. Some rich folks like to go for the 10 ft ceilings...

There's the answer!

Oct 30, 2009 at 5:23 PM

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Originally posted by verb1der:
Alex Smith will create his own ceiling.

Oct 30, 2009 at 5:27 PM

#53

SanDiego49er
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Originally posted by danimal:
consider Terry Bradshaw.

Please someone chime in with a better comparison if you have one, but I know of no other QB that had a rougher beginning yet lasted so long in the NFL.

For the record I don't think Bradshaw is a great QB, and with 4 Rings and he virtually never appears on Best QB's of all-time list....I would say I am not alone.

This man was HORRIBLE in the first 3 years of his career. Alex Smith and Bradshaws numbers are almost dead on in terms of QB Rating.

So unless we plan on gaining about half a dozen Hall of Famers anytime soon, there really is no other example of a turn around that would best compare to just how bad Alex looked in his trial by fire.

LOL at that. How was he horrible?

1st year - Horrible.
2nd year - Improvement and progress under Norv Turner.
3rd year - Injured and out for the season.
4th year - Injured and out for the season.

He only played 2 healthy years. And in the second one he showed huge improvement. He was hardly "horrible for 3 years." But nice revisionist history there.

Oct 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM

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BHulman
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Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by Born49R:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by 49ERGUY:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by 49ERGUY:
How can anyone find a ceiling for Alex on one half of a game ??????

This is the Webzone, we don't need no stinkin' logic

how is it logical to not reference 3 other seasons of data and observation

The guy was drafted in 2005, please look at your calendar and rethink your position.

Smith played 3 games in 2007 and had a different supporting cast of players , O line and Hostler as an Offensive Cordinator. I think that referencing back to 2006 and 2007 is stretching it a bit and I sure wouldn't use a rookie year at all personally.

I wouldn't use the last couple of years to judge Vernon Davis's ceiling ------ I would use what he is doing in current games same goes for Smith. Two Quarters isn't enough.

my philosophy is that it ALL counts. I don't grant anyone throw aways.

Let's see the Houston game was Smith's 33rd game, so basically the beginning of his third season playing. Typically the year when most NFL Qb's finally start to get it. Wow, glad you don't do my performance reviews.

you are over simplifying. What you are suggesting is that I would somehow be a bad boss if you sucked terribly for the first 85 days of your 90 day probation but started looking good at around day 86....and I was considering not keeping you past probation.

Depends on your judgement. Do you think the guy is finally starting to click or is his recent performance just a fluke? I think a good boss would be able to see the difference. If not, he is going to lose some good people.

[ Edited by BHulman on Oct 30, 2009 at 5:45 PM ]

Oct 30, 2009 at 5:44 PM

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Originally posted by danimal:
consider Terry Bradshaw.

Please someone chime in with a better comparison if you have one, but I know of no other QB that had a rougher beginning yet lasted so long in the NFL.

For the record I don't think Bradshaw is a great QB, and with 4 Rings and he virtually never appears on Best QB's of all-time list....I would say I am not alone.

This man was HORRIBLE in the first 3 years of his career. Alex Smith and Bradshaws numbers are almost dead on in terms of QB Rating.

So unless we plan on gaining about half a dozen Hall of Famers anytime soon, there really is no other example of a turn around that would best compare to just how bad Alex looked in his trial by fire.

Smith wasn't "horrible" in his second season. He wasn't "horrible" in the first three games in 07. He was "horrible" when he played those games with a third degree separation.

Oct 30, 2009 at 5:54 PM

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Originally posted by BHulman:
Originally posted by danimal:
consider Terry Bradshaw.

Please someone chime in with a better comparison if you have one, but I know of no other QB that had a rougher beginning yet lasted so long in the NFL.

For the record I don't think Bradshaw is a great QB, and with 4 Rings and he virtually never appears on Best QB's of all-time list....I would say I am not alone.

This man was HORRIBLE in the first 3 years of his career. Alex Smith and Bradshaws numbers are almost dead on in terms of QB Rating.

So unless we plan on gaining about half a dozen Hall of Famers anytime soon, there really is no other example of a turn around that would best compare to just how bad Alex looked in his trial by fire.

Smith wasn't "horrible" in his second season. He wasn't "horrible" in the first three games in 07. He was "horrible" when he played those games with a third degree separation.

Oct 30, 2009 at 6:03 PM

#57

Super5
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Originally posted by verb1der:
Alex Smith will create his own ceiling.

Oct 30, 2009 at 6:04 PM

#58

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I think Smith is Drew Brees, an more mobile version of Drew Brees.

Oct 30, 2009 at 6:05 PM

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Originally posted by verb1der:
Alex Smith will create his own ceiling.

Oct 30, 2009 at 6:08 PM

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Super5
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Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by 49ERGUY:
Originally posted by danimal:
Originally posted by YourHuckleberry:
Originally posted by 49ERGUY:
How can anyone find a ceiling for Alex on one half of a game ??????

This is the Webzone, we don't need no stinkin' logic

how is it logical to not reference 3 other seasons of data and observation

The guy was drafted in 2005, please look at your calendar and rethink your position.

Smith played 3 games in 2007 and had a different supporting cast of players , O line and Hostler as an Offensive Cordinator. I think that referencing back to 2006 and 2007 is stretching it a bit and I sure wouldn't use a rookie year at all personally.

I wouldn't use the last couple of years to judge Vernon Davis's ceiling ------ I would use what he is doing in current games same goes for Smith. Two Quarters isn't enough.

my philosophy is that it ALL counts. I don't grant anyone throw aways.

Jerry Rice dropped a lot of passes his rookie year and he is now the G.O.A.T

So much for your philosophy..........