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Power Running Offense is out dated and doesn't work.

Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
You do of course realize that the Niners are and have been all year more of a passing team than a running team,don't you? Look up the stats,we have passed more this year than run.
I don't get the confusion by so many fans about this,since we started out the season against the Cards by passing 58% of the plays and have continued every game to pass more than run.
Sing and Raye have said from day one that they wanted to be a well balanced attack (about 50-50) . Nothing has changed in their minds on this issue. Raye did pull the chain of the media by jokingly stating that he wanted to run 60 % of the time (he said it only once,but said many times he wanted to be 50-50,and besides,no team has run 60% of the time inthe modern era,and all observant fans knew this and laughed when Raye said his 60% joke). Raye was probably just laughing at the media because they always write that Raye and sing want to be a run,run,run,team,when they have only said from the start that they want to be well balanced and want to run when they need to run and pass when they need to pass.
Like sing said once again in his press conference yesterday,he has never wanted to be 3 yards and a cloud of dust.That has been an invention of some ignorant media types,that far too many fans have been sucked in by.

We pass the ball at the end of games because we are behind and we are desperate for points. Every game has been like that except for the Rams and Hawks games.

Also, when we have passed, much of it has been gimmicky little screens or short passes.
Look how we started the game against the Texans, it was supposed to be some kind of stupid pseudo 5 yard WR screen, which created a sack because of confusion.

At the end of the game there, we had 4 or 5 "pass catchers" spread out across the field. This gave Smith many more targets and put him in a rhythm. The Texans were probably drilled all week about how we never do this, so they were caught off guard by it. We should keep doing it until it consistently stops working (much like how our running game is now), then we can mix in the run when teams are finally convinced that we can throw the ball.
[ Edited by BrianGO on Oct 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM ]
You can't be a power running team if you can't throw the ball deep or use some sort of "trickery" that keeps a defense honest. We had no deep ball and absolutely no game,running or passing outside the hashmarks. Even the ninetys Dallas team can't win with much of a narrowed down game.
Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by irief:
Offenses that concentrate on a Power Running attack just don't work. This is an out dated idea that may have worked a few decades ago, but doesn't work in today's NFL.

Just look at the best teams this season. Colts, Saints, Broncos, Steelers, Patriots, Vikings...etc. They all have good to great passing attacks. You can't just run against today's defenses at will. Today's LB's and DL's are way to fast and strong for an offense to just impose a running attack on them. Offenses need to be able to spread the defenses out to have an effective running attack. No team can run consistently against 8 and 9 in the box.

Sing needs to realize this real fast, and hopefully adjust his philosophy with Alex at the helm, other wise he will be another coaching casualty at the end of this season.

LOL...First, the Giants won the SB all of 2 years ago with a power running attack. Second, Second, the Vikings are a power running team but they also have a good passing attack. The Steelers have gotten better this year with Mendenhal giving them a power running attack. The Saints are better this year because they can run the ball. Denver has rushed 185 times and passed 194 times so they're basically balanced. The Colts and Patriots are pass first teams but they also have Manning and Brady, which the 49ers don't. Third, the 49ers have thrown it 178 times and rushed 145 times so they have not exactly been a "power rushing" team. Fourth, the 49ers ran against 8 in the box in 2006 to the tune of Gore getting almost 1700 yards.

The philosophy is fine. The execution from the OL, RB, QB and WR (probably in that order) needs to be better. Singletary's not getting fired after this year so just calm down about that.

Notwithstanding the desire to get back to the playoffs, the biggest point to this season was for the 49ers to figure out if their QB of the present and future was on the roster. It is clear that Hill is probably not that guy. He's just too limited in what he can do. Now they have to figure out if Smith can be that guy (again). They probably won't know what they have in Davis for at least a couple of years. With the 2 No. 1's in next year's draft, they have to leave this season knowing what they have at QB and whether they need to draft another 1st round QB to go forward.

LOL, we won five SB's passing the ball. Did you forget?

Don't ever forget that, even you who were born after the glory years.
Walsh passed to set up the run, every freakin time, I watched all home games in the stands and away a lot... well; this is true. Setting up the run with pass..

Don't forget!

I see MS "getting it" fast and telling Raye to use Smith's talents eg; spread O.

How comforting would it be to see a coach use our talent for what it does best, and to junk for the most part that which he said he would do, but can not?

I hope for the absolute best here..

Who knows, maybe the Niners can finally get over the hump..
It could work if you had o-linemen and a RB that didn't just dive into the middle of the o-line!
Originally posted by Joecool:
You can't be a power running team if you can't throw the ball deep or use some sort of "trickery" that keeps a defense honest. We had no deep ball and absolutely no game,running or passing outside the hashmarks. Even the ninetys Dallas team can't win with much of a narrowed down game.

Agreed




ninetys>nineties
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Originally posted by 190836:
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by irief:
Offenses that concentrate on a Power Running attack just don't work. This is an out dated idea that may have worked a few decades ago, but doesn't work in today's NFL.

Just look at the best teams this season. Colts, Saints, Broncos, Steelers, Patriots, Vikings...etc. They all have good to great passing attacks. You can't just run against today's defenses at will. Today's LB's and DL's are way to fast and strong for an offense to just impose a running attack on them. Offenses need to be able to spread the defenses out to have an effective running attack. No team can run consistently against 8 and 9 in the box.

Sing needs to realize this real fast, and hopefully adjust his philosophy with Alex at the helm, other wise he will be another coaching casualty at the end of this season.

LOL...First, the Giants won the SB all of 2 years ago with a power running attack. Second, Second, the Vikings are a power running team but they also have a good passing attack. The Steelers have gotten better this year with Mendenhal giving them a power running attack. The Saints are better this year because they can run the ball. Denver has rushed 185 times and passed 194 times so they're basically balanced. The Colts and Patriots are pass first teams but they also have Manning and Brady, which the 49ers don't. Third, the 49ers have thrown it 178 times and rushed 145 times so they have not exactly been a "power rushing" team. Fourth, the 49ers ran against 8 in the box in 2006 to the tune of Gore getting almost 1700 yards.

The philosophy is fine. The execution from the OL, RB, QB and WR (probably in that order) needs to be better. Singletary's not getting fired after this year so just calm down about that.

Notwithstanding the desire to get back to the playoffs, the biggest point to this season was for the 49ers to figure out if their QB of the present and future was on the roster. It is clear that Hill is probably not that guy. He's just too limited in what he can do. Now they have to figure out if Smith can be that guy (again). They probably won't know what they have in Davis for at least a couple of years. With the 2 No. 1's in next year's draft, they have to leave this season knowing what they have at QB and whether they need to draft another 1st round QB to go forward.

LOL, we won five SB's passing the ball. Did you forget?

Don't ever forget that, even you who were born after the glory years.
Walsh passed to set up the run, every freakin time, I watched all home games in the stands and away a lot... well; this is true. Setting up the run with pass..
Absolutely right.

The Walsh years only used about six basic sets, whether it was run or pass. The defense rarely got an early read. They had to react to the play instead of the formation. = 5 rings