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Power Running Offense is out dated and doesn't work.

  • irief
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Offenses that concentrate on a Power Running attack just don't work. This is an out dated idea that may have worked a few decades ago, but doesn't work in today's NFL.

Just look at the best teams this season. Colts, Saints, Broncos, Steelers, Patriots, Vikings...etc. They all have good to great passing attacks. You can't just run against today's defenses at will. Today's LB's and DL's are way to fast and strong for an offense to just impose a running attack on them. Offenses need to be able to spread the defenses out to have an effective running attack. No team can run consistently against 8 and 9 in the box.

Sing needs to realize this real fast, and hopefully adjust his philosophy with Alex at the helm, other wise he will be another coaching casualty at the end of this season.
  • BobS
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It maybe outdated, but it would work if you had big road grader type offensive lineman, that had good run blocking skills, we do not have that. Singletary and company need to learn to adapt the play book to the players, he seems smart enough to learn by his mistakes, so hopefully he will eventually figure it out.
You are correct about the best offenses today. That is not a accident. The league has been steadily changing the rules over the past 10 years to encourage passing for the simple reason it is more exciting for the fans.

As to the 49ers, I don't blame Singletary for starting from a power running offense. He was only looking at what he had and what they could do. The obvious thing is that Hill doesn't have the arm strength to throw it the way you must to be a good passing offense. Second, Gore was the only bona fide weapon. Third, they lacked quality receivers. Result; we do what we can do...hit you in the mouth and run over you.

With Crabtree, Morgan, Davis, Gore and now the hopefully "new" Alex Smith, this team looks like it can pass the ball. None of those things were apparent in the off-season.
[ Edited by dj43 on Oct 27, 2009 at 10:21 AM ]
  • Jcool
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no running game is going to work when you have 9 players in the box waiting for our RB because they know we couldn't throw the ball to save our lives. Only RB that could make that work is Adrian Peterson but also helps when you have Steve Hutchinson blocking for you.
[ Edited by Jcool on Oct 27, 2009 at 10:15 AM ]
Maybe you didn't watch Singletary's presser yesterday. He addressed this and reiterated that he never once said we would just run the ball all the time. Again we're not a 3 yards and a cloud of dust type of offense. He said he always wants balance. Only he wants to be able to run the ball when we need to.

Right now we don't have any type of running game to speak of. Power, finesse, spread. Nothing.
When have we ranthe ball the whole game? Thats what I want to know.
  • JC49
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Originally posted by irief:
Offenses that concentrate on a Power Running attack just don't work. This is an out dated idea that may have worked a few decades ago, but doesn't work in today's NFL.

Just look at the best teams this season. Colts, Saints, Broncos, Steelers, Patriots, Vikings...etc. They all have good to great passing attacks. You can't just run against today's defenses at will. Today's LB's and DL's are way to fast and strong for an offense to just impose a running attack on them. Offenses need to be able to spread the defenses out to have an effective running attack. No team can run consistently against 8 and 9 in the box.

Sing needs to realize this real fast, and hopefully adjust his philosophy with Alex at the helm, other wise he will be another coaching casualty at the end of this season.

Sing's realizations definitely need to come faster. Being stubborn and a rookie HC aren't a great combination.
  • WestCoastNut
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It'snot outdated but it must be balanced with a divesified passing game.
Originally posted by JC49:
Originally posted by irief:
Offenses that concentrate on a Power Running attack just don't work. This is an out dated idea that may have worked a few decades ago, but doesn't work in today's NFL.

Just look at the best teams this season. Colts, Saints, Broncos, Steelers, Patriots, Vikings...etc. They all have good to great passing attacks. You can't just run against today's defenses at will. Today's LB's and DL's are way to fast and strong for an offense to just impose a running attack on them. Offenses need to be able to spread the defenses out to have an effective running attack. No team can run consistently against 8 and 9 in the box.

Sing needs to realize this real fast, and hopefully adjust his philosophy with Alex at the helm, other wise he will be another coaching casualty at the end of this season.

Sing's realizations definitely need to come faster. Being stubborn and a rookie HC aren't a great combination.
I don't see him as being stubborn. He was just recognizing the limited options the team had from the perspective of the off-season. A lot has changed in the last month and we saw a big change on Sunday.

We shouldn't mistake focus for stubborness.
Go back and listen to Sings presser on Monday. His philosophy is he wants to be able run the ball when we have to. He wants to be able to utilize the run when its necessary, and that is perfectly fine. It is no different then expecting to pass the ball when necessary.
Well, don't tell Bettis this, or Jamal Lewis, or Brandon Jacobs. Ravens, Steelers, Giants; these are teams that won the superbowl while running the ball hard during the regular season and playoffs mixed with a good defense. But they also had a good oline, we just don't open up holes, at all. Once every 5 running plays there might be a hole there...sad.
I think Singletary realizes that we have to show teams we can throw the ball & make plays before they back off the line & quit run blitzing up the middle on the way to the QB every play.
Originally posted by JC49:
Originally posted by irief:
Offenses that concentrate on a Power Running attack just don't work. This is an out dated idea that may have worked a few decades ago, but doesn't work in today's NFL.

Just look at the best teams this season. Colts, Saints, Broncos, Steelers, Patriots, Vikings...etc. They all have good to great passing attacks. You can't just run against today's defenses at will. Today's LB's and DL's are way to fast and strong for an offense to just impose a running attack on them. Offenses need to be able to spread the defenses out to have an effective running attack. No team can run consistently against 8 and 9 in the box.

Sing needs to realize this real fast, and hopefully adjust his philosophy with Alex at the helm, other wise he will be another coaching casualty at the end of this season.

Sing's realizations definitely need to come faster. Being stubborn and a rookie HC aren't a great combination.

We passed like 70+ times in the last 2 weeks. He has come to the realization that we can't run the ball like we want to, the only problem is when he tried to rely on Hill's arm it couldn't carry the team.
Originally posted by Jcool:
no running game is going to work when you have 9 players in the box waiting for our RB because they know we couldn't throw the ball to save our lives. Only RB that could make that work is Adrian Peterson but also helps when you have Steve Hutchinson blocking for you.

This.

We were basically playing against goal line defense just about every first down. In those situations, you either lose yards, barely gain a yard or break a huge run, which is exactly what we are doing.

Gore has great vision and cutting ability but he needs a little space to use it. Alex Smith and spreading out the defense just may be the best thing for Gore. Even if Alex doesn't play lights out, defenses must still now watch for Crabtree and Vernon, so Gore will get less attention.