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Video of the 4th down INT

Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
They were plaaying what is traditonally referred to as the Bucs 10 defense, essentially it is if you throw short you are not getting the first down bc you have 4 guys thats whole job is to not drop deeper than 9 yds and 4 guys that are playing deep in and out. He went to the right guy the coverage was there and his pass was off, he read the defense right though.

U are the 1 poster on this board that really knows football. I know u are busy with coaching your own team, but try to post more often if you can.

Thanks I appreciate the compliment, I have been trying to post more lately..lol but understandably the team takes up a lot of time lol
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Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
They were plaaying what is traditonally referred to as the Bucs 10 defense, essentially it is if you throw short you are not getting the first down bc you have 4 guys thats whole job is to not drop deeper than 9 yds and 4 guys that are playing deep in and out. He went to the right guy the coverage was there and his pass was off, he read the defense right though.

Seemed like Morgan was a better choice, even if it doesn't result in a first-down. I'd take 9 yards and the clock stopped over an INT and game over.

it was 4th down

Yeah, I'm saying in general though. He also had Gore open in the flats and ignored him a couple plays earlier. Seems like he's just looking for the big play. I mean what's better, throw the ball to Morgan and hope he can get an additional yard, or wildly throw the ball down the field into a tight window? I guess what I'm saying is I would've taken my chances by just throwing it to Morgan and hoping he can get that extra yard, because he was already about 7 or 8 yards down the field and running full speed so if the ball is there accurately, his momentum probably carries him another 2 yards.
[ Edited by B650 on Oct 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM ]
I have more of a problem with the spiking the ball to stop the clock. I hate giving away downs.
I also agree -- I think he was going for it all to VD (but his throwing motion was disrupted), who was running behind the defense (obviously at the point you see him behind is because the safety made a play on the ball) cuz i think Alex believed he had the best chance in the air for the ball considering VD was DOMINATING the dbs all 2nd half in the middle of the field.
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
They were plaaying what is traditonally referred to as the Bucs 10 defense, essentially it is if you throw short you are not getting the first down bc you have 4 guys thats whole job is to not drop deeper than 9 yds and 4 guys that are playing deep in and out. He went to the right guy the coverage was there and his pass was off, he read the defense right though.

Seemed like Morgan was a better choice, even if it doesn't result in a first-down. I'd take 9 yards and the clock stopped over an INT and game over.

it was 4th down

Yeah, I'm saying in general though. He also had Gore open in the flats and ignored him a couple plays earlier. Seems like he's just looking for the big play.

Right bc if he threw to gore on that play the yards he gained wouldnt of been worth the time off the clcok to respot the ball and there was instant pressure on that play, so how does that make him "looking for the big play" he made the right play saved time instead of gaining a yd and losing 10 seconds.
gore ftw

watch that play and keep an eye on gore
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
They were plaaying what is traditonally referred to as the Bucs 10 defense, essentially it is if you throw short you are not getting the first down bc you have 4 guys thats whole job is to not drop deeper than 9 yds and 4 guys that are playing deep in and out. He went to the right guy the coverage was there and his pass was off, he read the defense right though.

Interesting observation (I didn't know you were a coach). Are there any other options on that play -- or was that route "the one and only?"
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Originally posted by YuNGaCE:
gore ftw

watch that play and keep an eye on gore

I agree. There seemed to be better options than the one Alex made, but again, he didn't have much time to make that decision.
Originally posted by WillistheWall:
Yeah, our OL is garbage outside of Staley and Heitman. We need to replace Baas and Chilo. He didn't get to step into the throw.

yep 100% correct, we need to replace them all but heitman and staley.
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
They were plaaying what is traditonally referred to as the Bucs 10 defense, essentially it is if you throw short you are not getting the first down bc you have 4 guys thats whole job is to not drop deeper than 9 yds and 4 guys that are playing deep in and out. He went to the right guy the coverage was there and his pass was off, he read the defense right though.

Interesting observation (I didn't know you were a coach). Are there any other options on that play -- or was that route "the one and only?"

typically the most inside vertical (it was a vertical so to speak, skinny post) is going to be your best option. It has the least safety help(bc of range) and typically the biggest inside window(over the Lb as you watch the play start you can see the Lb's drop to their respective zone). That being said if you watch the corner up top, he is already breaking on the short route that Morgan was running and had a decent shot at stepping in front of it, if the ball goes there. The CB simply holds up and changes directions once he reads Alex. The other vertical to that side was even more heavily covered as he was also bracketed with the safety being in even better position on that one. Overall it is my opinion that Alex threw the ball to the reciever who had the best chance to make a play and he simply had to throw into the teeth of coverage on that defense, and in the Nfl that is rarely a good thing to HAVE to do.
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
left side of the OL collapsed. Not enough time.

correct it this..
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
They were plaaying what is traditonally referred to as the Bucs 10 defense, essentially it is if you throw short you are not getting the first down bc you have 4 guys thats whole job is to not drop deeper than 9 yds and 4 guys that are playing deep in and out. He went to the right guy the coverage was there and his pass was off, he read the defense right though.

Interesting observation (I didn't know you were a coach). Are there any other options on that play -- or was that route "the one and only?"

typically the most inside vertical (it was a vertical so to speak, skinny post) is going to be your best option. It has the least safety help(bc of range) and typically the biggest inside window(over the Lb as you watch the play start you can see the Lb's drop to their respective zone). That being said if you watch the corner up top, he is already breaking on the short route that Morgan was running and had a decent shot at stepping in front of it, if the ball goes there. The CB simply holds up and changes directions once he reads Alex. The other vertical to that side was even more heavily covered as he was also bracketed with the safety being in even better position on that one. Overall it is my opinion that Alex threw the ball to the reciever who had the best chance to make a play and he simply had to throw into the teeth of coverage on that defense, and in the Nfl that is rarely a good thing to HAVE to do.

great posts
Originally posted by YuNGaCE:
gore ftw

watch that play and keep an eye on gore

watch the LB's and their position, they know where Gore is, the point of the zone that they are running is to give up the short routes and gang tackle the player, Gore had almost no shot of converting 11 yds on that D, it is setup to stop that route along with several others, ideally a slant is the best route against it but it was not called so it didnt happen.
I friggen knew it! -The first time I actually saw the play I got the feeling that Smith was looking to strike Davis again on the skinny post but pressure had sunk into the pocket!

-Houston's D figured that Smith would be going for Bruce again downfield, if Smith had just had 2 more seconds of protection he could have darted Vernon another touchdown and the game would be over.

This is a desperation throw any pro QB would make on 4th & long, with 30 seconds left on the clock. (ala' Eagles/Packers "Miracle at 4th and 26").

Oh and if it makes things worse, Barry Sims was in the lineup during that play.
[ Edited by SnakePlissken on Oct 26, 2009 at 4:20 PM ]
Great try by Alex. Hope to see more shots down the field with him starting.