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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

Sorry to see you feel that way. IMO, there is a lot of football left to be played and plenty of time for this team to turn things around and make the playoffs. Keep the faith! GO NINERS!
Originally posted by billbird2111:
Originally posted by BobS:
I can't believe you posted this today. I thought most had a warm fuzzy feeling after watching the Smith and Crabtree coming out party, I guess not.

That's funny. I feel like we just lost a second straight game.
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I agree with most of your points, but I wouldn't call it dysfunctional. Now the Golden State Warriors is the definition of dysfunctional (when players and FO people attack and conflict within the team).

As for a "running team" You must not have watched the press conference today by Sing. He never said we were only a running team. He said he wants this team to be able to run when we want to run. Doesn't mean we run 60% of the time. You make it sound like he doesn't want a balanced team. He has always said he wanted a balance team. Hell, who doesn't want a balanced team?
Originally posted by NJNiner:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

Sorry to see you feel that way. IMO, there is a lot of football left to be played and plenty of time for this team to turn things around and make the playoffs. Keep the faith! GO NINERS!

Oh hell yea! I still think we can win a bunch of games and make the play offs, I just think the we can do better if we have more of that vision stuff!
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

What has Parcells succeeded in? They aren't exactly a great team that is guaranteed to make the playoffs. last I saw, they have a losing record. They have just as many problems if not more than us. Parcells is so overrated.

BTW, I was checking out a Dallas Cowboys forum when they got spanked badly earlier this year. A poster there listed Parcell's draft classes which were not impressive at all. That poster basically owned this other cowboy poster who claimed Parcells would've won them the super bowl last year.

Sorry, too lazy to look it up for you.
[ Edited by kronik on Oct 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM ]
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

What has Parcells succeeded in? They aren't exactly a great team that is guaranteed to make the playoffs. last I saw, they have a losing record. They have just as many problems if not more than us. Parcells is so overrated.

They're even taking RBs that couldn't make our roster! LOL
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

What has Parcells succeeded in? They aren't exactly a great team that is guaranteed to make the playoffs. last I saw, they have a losing record. They have just as many problems if not more than us. Parcells is so overrated.

Hey I'm not on the Tunas jock, I really don't care for the guy, but he does have vision, and if Chad was healthy it might help. My point is about integrity, and action matching words, I just feel that Scotty and Sing are not on the same page, and that will mean problems for us until they get it right.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by NJNiner:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

Sorry to see you feel that way. IMO, there is a lot of football left to be played and plenty of time for this team to turn things around and make the playoffs. Keep the faith! GO NINERS!

Oh hell yea! I still think we can win a bunch of games and make the play offs, I just think the we can do better if we have more of that vision stuff!

Vision has changed (today's press conference). Thank god too. Vision changed because Hill and his physical limitations is not the QB anymore.

Time to attack the entire field.
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

What has Parcells succeeded in? They aren't exactly a great team that is guaranteed to make the playoffs. last I saw, they have a losing record. They have just as many problems if not more than us. Parcells is so overrated.

Hey I'm not on the Tunas jock, I really don't care for the guy, but he does have vision, and if Chad was healthy it might help. My point is about integrity, and action matching words, I just feel that Scotty and Sing are not on the same page, and that will mean problems for us until they get it right.

I see your point, but I'm glad Sing is not stubborn and is willing to change the vision (benching of Hill). With Alex as the QB now, the vision is more in line with Scotty's vision. I think it's a positive direction for our future.

PS: Chad was the QB early this season where they were winless. I think the fins are playing better without him to be honest.
[ Edited by kronik on Oct 26, 2009 at 3:24 PM ]
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

What has Parcells succeeded in? They aren't exactly a great team that is guaranteed to make the playoffs. last I saw, they have a losing record. They have just as many problems if not more than us. Parcells is so overrated.

They're even taking RBs that couldn't make our roster! LOL

Yea because an injury forced them to take what they must have perceived as the best RB available to fill the roll envisioned by the coaching staff, and to maintain the number (4) of RBs that their plan needed, wow what a bunch of dumb asses they are!
[ Edited by GolittaCamper on Oct 26, 2009 at 3:23 PM ]
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

Um what success?

Taylor your personell? One off season and you want miracles? Like I said you can't blow up the roster.

Your worried about credibility with Mike? He's always been a straight shooter. You can continue to ignore the fact that Mike is a stand up guy and will admit when he's wrong and isn't afraid to make changes.
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kronik:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

What has Parcells succeeded in? They aren't exactly a great team that is guaranteed to make the playoffs. last I saw, they have a losing record. They have just as many problems if not more than us. Parcells is so overrated.

Hey I'm not on the Tunas jock, I really don't care for the guy, but he does have vision, and if Chad was healthy it might help. My point is about integrity, and action matching words, I just feel that Scotty and Sing are not on the same page, and that will mean problems for us until they get it right.

I see your point, but I'm glad Sing is not stubborn and is willing to change the vision (benching of Hill). With Alex as the QB now, the vision is more in line with Scotty's vision. I think it's a positive direction for our future.

PS: Chad was the QB early this season where they were winless. I think the fins are playing better without him to be honest.
I think you maybe onto something here, perhaps Sing will be flexible enough to embrace scotties vision, rather than fight it, furthermore than could have been part of Nolans problem unable to bend and fit with the GM, personally I don't want to be a smash mouth keep it close team, I like track meets, and blow out victories better!
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by BobS:
I can't believe you posted this today. I thought most had a warm fuzzy feeling after watching the Smith and Crabtree coming out party, I guess not.

I think we're still looking for an identity and some consistency. We're not the run-through-everybody team that most fans envisioned.

That being said, i wouldn't call our team "dysfunctional"

-9fA

At least the team and the head coach aren't insane. You know the definition of insanity? Doing the same things over and over again and expecting a different result.

One big difference between Sing and Nolan. If something isn't working, Sing isn't afraid to make the change right then and there.

I agree with Aussie. Maybe the Niners aren't the smash mouth running and defensive team that they started out to be. This team looked alot better and more explosive with multiple receiver sets and with Smith playing QB. If that is the NEW identity of the 49ers, so be it.
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Originally posted by kingairta:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
The Niners are a train wreak, totally dysfunctional, their actions do not match there words. Internal fortitude, strength of character, and success comes when inner thought, action and words are all in alignment.

Let me give a few examples,

"We will be a running team and impose our will" = Words

We draft Crabtree, while passing on Oher, or Beannie Wells.= Action

We DON"T bring in any free agent O-linemen in free agency, not even for work outs.
Then we sign Jones at Wr. = Action

We let Sheets get away, Keeping only two running backs (Mrob is a not an NFL caliber RB, he is a converted QB) = Action

We keep 6-7? WR on the roaster= Action

We let Billy Bajema a blocking TE go = Action

Either we are being lied to, or Singletary is lying to himself, or mabye just maybe, ScottyM is not on the same page as Sing, either way it does not look good for our Niners going forward.

Our roster is a shambles, we need to decide who we really are, are we a tough hard nosed running team, then we need to cut Hill, Spurlock, and Ziggy becuase they will never be the blockers we need.

Are we a deep ball passing team, then we need to say good by to Battle, Bruce and Mrob.

Are we a "west coast" short passing team relying on the R.A.C., well then....

I think you get my point we need to decide who we are and taylor our roster to fit. We seem to be hedging our bets and hoping an identity will some how evolve, that way lies disaster.

Sing and Scotty need to be on the same page, come out and say what the direction is and stick with it!

One thing is certain we are not a running team.


Just my thoughts take it for what it is worth.

I think people take the running game comment a little too literally What people say is important if Sing says somthing and fails to do it his integrity is on the line, Scotty has to have his back.

Draft Crabtree (had there not been an extended holdout this would be a mute point Crabs looks like the real deal, that is not the point, it is about Action following words

What "quality" FA O-linemen were there? Hey nobody thought Smily was a quality O-linemen, except Parcells, and the point is depth and competition, not big names and fantasy football, Madden crap any way.

Let Sheets get away. Big deal a flash in the pan in preseason when thirds/fourths and experimental personell packages are being utilized. Back field pressence was horrible. Good legs do not make for a complete back. Sheets himself is not the issue going light on running backs is... when you say you are a running team, again Action backing up words.

I'll give you the over abundance of WRs Thanks I guess even a blind squirrel gets a nut every once in a while.

Bajema with Davis and Walker performing like they are no complaints here Sure I love the receiving threat from out TEs and Davis is a beast as a blocker, but a running team would carry 3 TEs

You want to taylor the roster. Fine but you have to work with what you got. You can't blow up the roster and assume every free agent will want to come here. You have to taylor your roster or else you will wander lost in mediocrity, that is the difference between good bad and great teams

You want a defined direction? I'll give you one. What ever it takes to win. Sure tell that to Al Davis Appearantly you missed that yesterday. did we win? I must have missed that part Would Nolan of had the guts to switch up the O to the spread offence? Of course not Nolan was a twit

Look what Bill Parcels did with focus and determination in just one season, look what we have done since the firing of Mooch with no clear mission.

Parcells succeeded were we have failed by simply not caring if he let a good player get away, if the player did not suit his vision he was gone! Great GMs have a plan and vision and fearlessly execute the plan, never worrying if they are making the right moves.

Um what success?

Taylor your personell? One off season and you want miracles? Like I said you can't blow up the roster. We blew up the roster when we fired Mooch, let Owens go, lost Garcia, and Peterson, we had to in order to get control of our cap, Nolan benefitted from this and was left with loads of picks and the largest amount of cap room in NFL history, to bad he F'ed it up!

Your worried about credibility with Mike? He's always been a straight shooter. You can continue to ignore the fact that Mike is a stand up guy and will admit when he's wrong and isn't afraid to make changes.

Mike will lose credibility if his words don't match the teams actions, here's a few reasons why,

If he and Scotty aren't on the same page players will be divided

Players can smell power, if Sing says one thing and something else happens, who has the power.

Words= Action= Credibility, Action not equal to words= weakness.