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Whatis McCloughan doing?

What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.
He's an idiot. Just overrated on this board. People make lots of excuses for him because they want to feel like we are moving in the right direction. But he has been rebuilding for years and years and we aren't better from a talent standpoint.

It scares me to death this guy will be responsible for 2 1st round picks next year. My guess is he will pick 2 Guards who can't block and yet again we will be no better off.
Right now?
The main reason why was b/c Gore is a lock at starter and Coffee was a lock as backup. Same with Davis and Walker.

Also, since we do not have a #1 WR we needed all of them hoping 1 of them would emerge as a number 1 or close to it. I know i was hoping that Hill or Jones could be a #1 and to keep them. I know what you mean though. Battle and Spurlock should of been an obvious cut, but then again for WHAT??? A third TE or 4th RB that has little chance of anything but a third permanently.

I was in agreement with this approach only because we are set at rb and TE without anyone else and Not at all set at WR...that's how you should try to look at it
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's an idiot. Just overrated on this board. People make lots of excuses for him because they want to feel like we are moving in the right direction. But he has been rebuilding for years and years and we aren't better from a talent standpoint.

It scares me to death this guy will be responsible for 2 1st round picks next year. My guess is he will pick 2 Guards who can't block and yet again we will be no better off.

You know what to do, since you obviously know so much more about football than McCloughan, polish up your surely impressive resume and send it on in.

I'm sure Jed would fire Scot and hire you in a hot second...
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's an idiot. Just overrated on this board. People make lots of excuses for him because they want to feel like we are moving in the right direction. But he has been rebuilding for years and years and we aren't better from a talent standpoint.

It scares me to death this guy will be responsible for 2 1st round picks next year. My guess is he will pick 2 Guards who can't block and yet again we will be no better off.

You know what to do, since you obviously know so much more about football than McCloughan, polish up your surely impressive resume and send it on in.

I'm sure Jed would fire Scot and hire you in a hot second...

no kidding. What a joke, all these armchair GMs.

And anyone who doesn't think we're more talented now than in 2004 is a f**king moron.
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.

Trust me I'm not a huge McCloughan fan but everything you are referring to sounds like coaching decisions which is not Scotts responisbility.

Cutting 2 TE is not scotts call
Keeping 7 WR is not scotts call

Basically all the personnell decisions that you are referring to ultimately is Singletary's call. It looks like he kept who he feels the best 53 are regardless of position.

PErsonally I agree we should have 3 TE and kept only 5 WR six MAx. I also feel we should have not released Rossum and that Spurlock should have been released if anyone(that appeared to be Sings call too). If we keep 5 WR we would have been able to carry an extra OL and still carry 3 TE.

My problem with Scott is that he has not done anything to improve the QB or OL positions in the past 4 years. I want results tommorrow.Hill needs to step it up orgive way to Alex or Davis or soemone that is going to be productive at the position. Right now the way Hill looks, Arnaz Battle and Michael robinson would be a better fit.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
He's an idiot. Just overrated on this board. People make lots of excuses for him because they want to feel like we are moving in the right direction. But he has been rebuilding for years and years and we aren't better from a talent standpoint.

It scares me to death this guy will be responsible for 2 1st round picks next year. My guess is he will pick 2 Guards who can't block and yet again we will be no better off.

You know what to do, since you obviously know so much more about football than McCloughan, polish up your surely impressive resume and send it on in.

I'm sure Jed would fire Scot and hire you in a hot second...

no kidding. What a joke, all these armchair GMs.

And anyone who doesn't think we're more talented now than in 2004 is a f**king moron.
So when are we gonna bring Mike Holmgren in? Should we start making billboards like Bills fans?
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.

Trust me I'm not a huge McCloughan fan but everything you are referring to sounds like coaching decisions which is not Scotts responisbility.

Cutting 2 TE is not scotts call
Keeping 7 WR is not scotts call

Basically all the personnell decisions that you are referring to ultimately is Singletary's call. It looks like he kept who he feels the best 53 are regardless of position.

PErsonally I agree we should have 3 TE and kept only 5 WR six MAx. I also feel we should have not released Rossum and that Spurlock should have been released if anyone(that appeared to be Sings call too). If we keep 5 WR we would have been able to carry an extra OL and still carry 3 TE.

My problem with Scott is that he has not done anything to improve the QB or OL positions in the past 4 years. I want results tommorrow.Hill needs to step it up orgive way to Alex or Davis or soemone that is going to be productive at the position. Right now the way Hill looks, Arnaz Battle and Michael robinson would be a better fit.

I'm thinking a long the lines of 5 receivers and an extra OL and RB. Keeping with the Running game theme...
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.

Trust me I'm not a huge McCloughan fan but everything you are referring to sounds like coaching decisions which is not Scotts responisbility.

Cutting 2 TE is not scotts call
Keeping 7 WR is not scotts call

Basically all the personnell decisions that you are referring to ultimately is Singletary's call. It looks like he kept who he feels the best 53 are regardless of position.

PErsonally I agree we should have 3 TE and kept only 5 WR six MAx. I also feel we should have not released Rossum and that Spurlock should have been released if anyone(that appeared to be Sings call too). If we keep 5 WR we would have been able to carry an extra OL and still carry 3 TE.

My problem with Scott is that he has not done anything to improve the QB or OL positions in the past 4 years. I want results tommorrow.Hill needs to step it up orgive way to Alex or Davis or soemone that is going to be productive at the position. Right now the way Hill looks, Arnaz Battle and Michael robinson would be a better fit.

I'm thinking a long the lines of 5 receivers and an extra OL and RB. Keeping with the Running game theme...

YEah I could see that working. I said TE because we only have 2 TE and Delanie isnt the best blocker at that position.
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.

Trust me I'm not a huge McCloughan fan but everything you are referring to sounds like coaching decisions which is not Scotts responisbility.

Cutting 2 TE is not scotts call
Keeping 7 WR is not scotts call

Basically all the personnell decisions that you are referring to ultimately is Singletary's call. It looks like he kept who he feels the best 53 are regardless of position.

PErsonally I agree we should have 3 TE and kept only 5 WR six MAx. I also feel we should have not released Rossum and that Spurlock should have been released if anyone(that appeared to be Sings call too). If we keep 5 WR we would have been able to carry an extra OL and still carry 3 TE.

My problem with Scott is that he has not done anything to improve the QB or OL positions in the past 4 years. I want results tommorrow.Hill needs to step it up orgive way to Alex or Davis or soemone that is going to be productive at the position. Right now the way Hill looks, Arnaz Battle and Michael robinson would be a better fit.

I'm thinking a long the lines of 5 receivers and an extra OL and RB. Keeping with the Running game theme...

YEah I could see that working. I said TE because we only have 2 TE and Delanie isnt the best blocker at that position.

I hear you.
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.

Trust me I'm not a huge McCloughan fan but everything you are referring to sounds like coaching decisions which is not Scotts responisbility.

Cutting 2 TE is not scotts call
Keeping 7 WR is not scotts call

Basically all the personnell decisions that you are referring to ultimately is Singletary's call. It looks like he kept who he feels the best 53 are regardless of position.

PErsonally I agree we should have 3 TE and kept only 5 WR six MAx. I also feel we should have not released Rossum and that Spurlock should have been released if anyone(that appeared to be Sings call too). If we keep 5 WR we would have been able to carry an extra OL and still carry 3 TE.

My problem with Scott is that he has not done anything to improve the QB or OL positions in the past 4 years. I want results tommorrow.Hill needs to step it up orgive way to Alex or Davis or soemone that is going to be productive at the position. Right now the way Hill looks, Arnaz Battle and Michael robinson would be a better fit.

I'm thinking a long the lines of 5 receivers and an extra OL and RB. Keeping with the Running game theme...

YEah I could see that working. I said TE because we only have 2 TE and Delanie isnt the best blocker at that position.

Hey "E", did you put anything down in Vagas on the odds of the Niners making the playoffs? What are the odds?
Originally posted by E-49er:
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.

Trust me I'm not a huge McCloughan fan but everything you are referring to sounds like coaching decisions which is not Scotts responisbility.

Cutting 2 TE is not scotts call
Keeping 7 WR is not scotts call

Basically all the personnell decisions that you are referring to ultimately is Singletary's call. It looks like he kept who he feels the best 53 are regardless of position.

PErsonally I agree we should have 3 TE and kept only 5 WR six MAx. I also feel we should have not released Rossum and that Spurlock should have been released if anyone(that appeared to be Sings call too). If we keep 5 WR we would have been able to carry an extra OL and still carry 3 TE.

My problem with Scott is that he has not done anything to improve the QB or OL positions in the past 4 years. I want results tommorrow.Hill needs to step it up orgive way to Alex or Davis or soemone that is going to be productive at the position. Right now the way Hill looks, Arnaz Battle and Michael robinson would be a better fit.

Agree!
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
What upsets me most is that we are so thin at RB and TE. Also, I think Rossum was our best return man, and that we should have kept him and let Jason Hill or Michael Spurlock go instead, especially after signing Crabtree.

I feel like McCloughan has not made the right personnel choices at times, and quite frankly has left many of us scratching our heads.

Look at our team's offensive philosophy:

Hard nosed running between the tackles, ball control, safe passes.
Mostly 2RB, 2WR sets. Some 2TE sets. Very few 3WR sets.

Now look at our personnel.

3RBs (Including MROB who really is exclusively a special teams player)
1FB
2TEs
7WRs (What?)

What's going on here? Kory Sheets was let go (and not that he ever proved anything, but he did show a little promise). Didn't we have 4 TEs back in July? Pascoe and another guy who was playing better than Pascoe? We cut 2 of our 4 TEs in favor of keeping all these WRs?

And on the defensive side of things, we have 7 D-Linemen for our 3-4 defense (not sure if that's the norm). We also have 10DBs, including 5 safeties and 5 corners (not including Walt Harris)(not sure if that's the norm either).

But I am certain of this:

2 RBs (I exclude MROB) and 2TEs is just plain WRONG for this type of offensive philosophy.

I thought a GM is supposed to build a depth chart based on the team's philosophy. Maybe he isn't sold on the philosophy. Heck I don't know what's going on.

Be careful, there are a lot of McCloughan apologists here. You can incur the wrath of the McCloughanites who are convinced he walks on water. Well maybe that's true relative to Terry Donahue, but when you compare McCloughan with other team's progress throughout the league you begin to ask questions. I was going to cite facts, articles and other analysis by MM and others around the NFL but in the end those who know what's up don't need to be convinced. It would be a futile exercise. Just like there are good GMs out there, there are mediocre and even bad ones. IMHO, I think we have a below average GM.

Although I think your analysis here are more coaching decisions, I was one who believed last March the stated target personnel issues would be addressed:

Pass-Rush
OL
WR
Safety

You'll immediately hear how there were no FA available, etc. However, it's just interesting to me - again comparing the 49ers to other teams around the league - seem to address their needs through creative means but we always seem to be on the outside looking in.

The off-season decisions that were made - Brandon Jones (ask any Tennessee fan, he was injury prone prior to signing) , Marvel Smith (coming off of a number of back surgeries), and standing pat and trying to say Jimmy Williams "was big enough (and talented enough) for safety", and thinking Manny Lawson was a bona fide pass-rusher despite never showing that ability during his entire career here.

So why sign players projected to be starters with a history of being injury-prone? That's where the questions begin about talent acquisition. I could talk about the draft, etc.

The 49ers will become a better team when we can have both a GM and a Director of Player Personnel, where the GM has real authority with the coaching and ultimately can vet personnel decisions. Few men can, as Parcells would say "buy the groceries" for the dinner but that's a very rare group in the NFL these days. If league trends mean anything, organizations are moving AWAY from this model, not to it. Few teams give their coaches, especially new head coaches, total control over the organization either in name or in effect.
[ Edited by NinerGM on Oct 24, 2009 at 10:45 PM ]