Is Parys Haralson good enough to be a starter?

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
How Haralson is being bashed now is beyond me and speaks to the utter foolishness of this board.

Haralson vs. Lawson

QB pressures: Haralson 12; Lawson 6
QB Hits: Haralson 4; Lawson 2
QB Sacks: Haralson 1; Lawson .5
Tackles for loss: Haralson 2; Lawson 2
Tackles: Haralson 13; Lawson 27

It's clear that Haralson is the better player to me. Lawson should be a 2 down player IMO, and we should have a pass rush specialist play for him on 3rd down.

He is not better than Lawson, not even close. All they ask Harlson to do is rush the QB that is why he has more QB pressures and .5 more sacks. Lawson does a bit of everything.

Exactly! People get on Lawson that he isn't a big time pass rusher but man he plays really well vs the run, is good in pass coverage and is an okay pass rusher. Like you said the team counts on and asks Haralson to be pretty much a pass rusher and designs the scheme for him to attack the QB and outside of the AZ game and the 1st half of the Seattle game, he has basically totally dissapeared.


Now look, I am a Parys Haralson fan. I watched him play in the SEC for four years, he was a team captain on a very good Tennessee team and I remember them playing Alabama on a Sat night nationally telivised game. It was a big game and Haralson had something like a 103 degree fever and still played and ended up having 3 sacks and was hospitalized after the game. The guy is a warrior and is all football, im just not sure he is good or consistant enough to be a starter in this league. I do think he would make a very good backup/pass rush specialist.

I agree, Lawson is WAY better than Haralson. Playing at the strong side linebacker position, he has more of a responsibility to keep his eyes open for those TEs coming out for routes as well as protecting the run.

Haralson however, is one dimensional and that's rushing the QB (at the weak side position behind Justin Smith like the above poster mentioned).

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by FourNine49:
He's starting for us isn't he?

LOOK, if a better LB is on the bench, then I'm pretty sure our Hall Of Fame LB aka Head Coach, would start him ahead of Haralson. Singletary knows more than both me and you, and everyone on this board

Yeah he is the starter right now because we don't have anyone better right now.My question is (and maybe I should have stated like this) is Parys Haralson good enough to be a long term starter on this team.

The answer is no.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by FourNine49:
He's starting for us isn't he?

LOOK, if a better LB is on the bench, then I'm pretty sure our Hall Of Fame LB aka Head Coach, would start him ahead of Haralson. Singletary knows more than both me and you, and everyone on this board

Yeah he is the starter right now because we don't have anyone better right now.My question is (and maybe I should have stated like this) is Parys Haralson good enough to be a long term starter on this team.

Ahhh. Well, that question is a little more complex. I think he's a good enough player to get the job done, but isn't as explosive as some other OLB. But then there's the whole politics of salary cap. If you're paying big bucks for a NT, CB, or any other position, and you have Haralson available at a bargain of a price, then yes he would suffice.

Parys is good but he's not great.

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by FourNine49:
He's starting for us isn't he?

LOOK, if a better LB is on the bench, then I'm pretty sure our Hall Of Fame LB aka Head Coach, would start him ahead of Haralson. Singletary knows more than both me and you, and everyone on this board

Yeah he is the starter right now because we don't have anyone better right now.My question is (and maybe I should have stated like this) is Parys Haralson good enough to be a long term starter on this team.

Ahhh. Well, that question is a little more complex. I think he's a good enough player to get the job done, but isn't as explosive as some other OLB. But then there's the whole politics of salary cap. If you're paying big bucks for a NT, CB, or any other position, and you have Haralson available at a bargain of a price, then yes he would suffice.

Yeah but for a team that runs a 3-4, we need more out of our OLB's in the pass rush department. Lawson is good enough to be a starter because of all the other things he does well, but Haralson's main job and supposed strength, is rushing the passer and he is not doing that very well right now. Im not hating on the guy, like I said I was and still am a fan of his, we got him in the 5th rd, so if anything he has overachieved for us. But we have to get better in the pass rushing department and I think next year we will spend some solid $$$$ on a pass rusher or draft one with one of our first round picks.

Like I said before to, don't be suprised if you start seeing more of Ahmad Brooks starting with the Houston game and as the season goes on. I also wouldn't mind seeing what Diyral Briggs can do in a real game because I know what Marques Harris can/can't do and that is pretty much nothing but I guess he is a good ST's player.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by FourNine49:
He's starting for us isn't he?

LOOK, if a better LB is on the bench, then I'm pretty sure our Hall Of Fame LB aka Head Coach, would start him ahead of Haralson. Singletary knows more than both me and you, and everyone on this board

Yeah he is the starter right now because we don't have anyone better right now.My question is (and maybe I should have stated like this) is Parys Haralson good enough to be a long term starter on this team.

Ahhh. Well, that question is a little more complex. I think he's a good enough player to get the job done, but isn't as explosive as some other OLB. But then there's the whole politics of salary cap. If you're paying big bucks for a NT, CB, or any other position, and you have Haralson available at a bargain of a price, then yes he would suffice.

Yeah but for a team that runs a 3-4, we need more out of our OLB's in the pass rush department. Lawson is good enough to be a starter because of all the other things he does well, but Haralson's main job and supposed strength, is rushing the passer and he is not doing that very well right now. Im not hating on the guy, like I said I was and still am a fan of his, we got him in the 5th rd, so if anything he has overachieved for us. But we have to get better in the pass rushing department and I think next year we will spend some solid $$$$ on a pass rusher or draft one with one of our first round picks.

Like I said before to, don't be suprised if you start seeing more of Ahmad Brooks starting with the Houston game and as the season goes on. I also wouldn't mind seeing what Diyral Briggs can do in a real game because I know what Marques Harris can/can't do and that is pretty much nothing but I guess he is a good ST's player.

I think what the coaches MIGHT have thought was: Haralson got a bit better at the end of last year, and maybe with a whole off season of Singletary, and mroe importantly, the non-hybrid method of Nolan, then maybe he would develop. I mean let's face it, as a whole, our defense is a lot better than last year with the SAME starters. So that right there is a clue that the coaching plays a huge role in their development. I think he had a couple of bad games, but I wouldn't rule him out... just yet.

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by PatrickJira411:

Originally posted by FourNine49:
He's starting for us isn't he?

LOOK, if a better LB is on the bench, then I'm pretty sure our Hall Of Fame LB aka Head Coach, would start him ahead of Haralson. Singletary knows more than both me and you, and everyone on this board

Yeah he is the starter right now because we don't have anyone better right now.My question is (and maybe I should have stated like this) is Parys Haralson good enough to be a long term starter on this team.

Ahhh. Well, that question is a little more complex. I think he's a good enough player to get the job done, but isn't as explosive as some other OLB. But then there's the whole politics of salary cap. If you're paying big bucks for a NT, CB, or any other position, and you have Haralson available at a bargain of a price, then yes he would suffice.

Yeah but for a team that runs a 3-4, we need more out of our OLB's in the pass rush department. Lawson is good enough to be a starter because of all the other things he does well, but Haralson's main job and supposed strength, is rushing the passer and he is not doing that very well right now. Im not hating on the guy, like I said I was and still am a fan of his, we got him in the 5th rd, so if anything he has overachieved for us. But we have to get better in the pass rushing department and I think next year we will spend some solid $$$$ on a pass rusher or draft one with one of our first round picks.

Like I said before to, don't be suprised if you start seeing more of Ahmad Brooks starting with the Houston game and as the season goes on. I also wouldn't mind seeing what Diyral Briggs can do in a real game because I know what Marques Harris can/can't do and that is pretty much nothing but I guess he is a good ST's player.

I would like to see more of Brooks rushing as the season goes. I would really like to see Briggs brought up in place of Harris to see what he can do against 1st string tackles.

I do wonder if Parys has the motor to be an everydown LB. Just bringing him in on third downs would probably reserve his energy for rushing the passer.

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Absolutely. He's better than Lawson, and Pro Football Focus has him rated as the 3rd ranked 3-4 OLB this season.

Where is all this coming from? One bad game for the defense? After the Arizona game, I'm sure most of you knuckleheads were touting him for All-Pro...

Thank You! And why would you want to bench him? We just signed him to a 4 year ext in the offseason. He's solid against the run and gets good pressure, no reason to bench a player just because they are not a pro bowler who else do we got? Ahmad Brooks sucks

who would you start in his place?

Everyone has seemed ignore stats in this argument it seems. I bet that if Parys was the 1st round pick and Manny the 5th rounder the opinions on here would be a lot different.

Where is this coming from? One bad game from the defense?

Haralson wouldnt start for most teams But hes the best we got

Haralson is what we call a role player. Nothing flashy, not the fastest guy, not the strongest guy, not the smartest guy, not the biggest hitter, but he's just okay.

I would like an upgrade at that position next season via free agency or draft.

Another quiet game for Haralson. Lawson and Ahmad Brooks got a sack each, Haralson, I only recall him having one QB hurry.... I think it's safe to say Haralson is not a starter in this league, IMO.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
no he is not , you gotta remember he rushing on the same side as justin smith, so he is getting more push from him. I think its more justin smith creating holes for him to go through than pary. I think this is a definate upgrade area.

not since the first game