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singletary MAKING BIG MISTAKES.

Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't see how he is that good. Look at the Denver coach for example. 6 - 0 in his rookie season and his team is always prepared.

Singletary:

Lack of preperation - Where were the X's and O's preperation for the Atlanta game? They got their butt kicked all over the field and didn't appear ready or well coached.

Taking timeouts to give worthless PEP RALLY's... Can you picture Bill Walsh doing this? That PEP RALLY cost a challenge later in the game which was a momentum changer and a game changer if it was a close game. Luckily we got blown out like we often do.

Chilo a starter and rotating Guards... Where is the continuity to the offensive line? Find a starter and stick with it. If you don't know who your starters are you aren't a real good coach.

Elevating DIVA (Crabtree) to a starter after missing all of preseason, all the games and training camp. Obviously he is not ready. He barely knows the plays at this point. And what does it do for the locker room? He's losing his guys. Guys are already complaining. Tree hasn't earned anything yet.

Yelling at opposing teams players. How is this HC worthy? A HC is supposed to be well above this level.

IMO Singletary is a highly emotional guy who wants to win but doesn't control his emotions well enough to be a steady head coach. Mike Nolan was better with game management / time management by far. I don't believe we can win with Singletary in the present state. He needs to tone it down a little and be a coach instead of an inspirational leader and motivational speaker.

Discuss Singletary's good and bad points thus far.

I think you are overstating it a bit...

1. Preparation: The 49ers had been well prepared and ready to play in every game up to the Atlanta game. Clearly, whatever they did in preparation for Atlanta was unsatisfactory but its not unusual for even championship teams to have the occasional bad game. It happens. Remember the 1994 SB Champion 49ers got blown out at home 40-8 by a bad Eagle team. And, lets not forget, it was a 14-10 game and the 49ers had the ball on the Atlanta 30 yard line after forcing a turnover. Unfortunately, Hill got sacked on the next play and they had to punt, which then led to the long pass and run by White and then the kick-off that Walker fumbled, etc. They couldn't stop the momentum but its not like they got totally blown out from the opening gun. Yes, it was bad but lets not act like preparation has been a season long problem. And, I don't care what anyone says, the Crabtree signing was a distraction that week and showed on Sunday.

2. Time outs: Well, no one complained when he did this in Arizona and it worked. Losing that time out wasn't a problem. Using the time out because Coffee wasn't on the field for the goal line play was the one that really hurt. It was a rookie mistake. Coffee owned up to it. And, under Singletary, the 49ers had not been "blown out" since the very first game when he took over mid-week.

3. Rotating OL: It probably would be better to have clear starters at each spot but lets not forget some of the past 49er SB teams rotated O Linemen at times. For example, Bubba Paris and Steve Wallace rotated at LT, so its not unheard of and its clearly not why the OL has struggled.

4. Making Crabtree a starter is a surprise but we haven't seen him play yet so you don't know anymore than I do the extent to which he may or may not be ready to help. You should be excited that maybe he's that special that even given the limited time he's been here, its clear he needs to be on the field. Lets wait until Sunday before making any judgments on this decision. And, Singletary isn't losing anyone. There was always going to be reshuffling of the WR depth chart whenever he signed.

5. Yelling at the Atlanta player: Singletary has admitted it was a mistake and he needs to be better than that. Its not like its a pattern and its hardly a BIG MISTAKE.

6. Winning: The 49ers are 8-6 under Singletary and 7-3 over the last 10 so its a bit silly to say they cannot win with him. How long has it been since the 49ers were 7-3 over any stretch of games. To say that Nolan was better with game/time management is laughable. Nolan had an incident almost weekly. Singletary's been pretty clean in those respects other than running out of time outs in the first half of the Atlanta game.

Relax, the Atlanta game was bad but it does not take away from everything else Singletary had accomplished leading into that game. If they get blown out again on Sunday, then it may be time to reconsider things.

Excellent post.

That Atlanta loss exposed some weaknesses. Lets see how Singletary (and the Niners) responds and corrects or compensates for those weaknesses going forward before we throw him under the bus. Before this loss, most of us and most of the league thought we had a good thing going. We'll find out in the next month or so who the real Niners are under Singletary.
Originally posted by gravelburn:
Originally posted by kem99:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I don't see how he is that good. Look at the Denver coach for example. 6 - 0 in his rookie season and his team is always prepared.

Singletary:

Lack of preperation - Where were the X's and O's preperation for the Atlanta game? They got their butt kicked all over the field and didn't appear ready or well coached.

Taking timeouts to give worthless PEP RALLY's... Can you picture Bill Walsh doing this? That PEP RALLY cost a challenge later in the game which was a momentum changer and a game changer if it was a close game. Luckily we got blown out like we often do.

Chilo a starter and rotating Guards... Where is the continuity to the offensive line? Find a starter and stick with it. If you don't know who your starters are you aren't a real good coach.

Elevating DIVA (Crabtree) to a starter after missing all of preseason, all the games and training camp. Obviously he is not ready. He barely knows the plays at this point. And what does it do for the locker room? He's losing his guys. Guys are already complaining. Tree hasn't earned anything yet.

Yelling at opposing teams players. How is this HC worthy? A HC is supposed to be well above this level.

IMO Singletary is a highly emotional guy who wants to win but doesn't control his emotions well enough to be a steady head coach. Mike Nolan was better with game management / time management by far. I don't believe we can win with Singletary in the present state. He needs to tone it down a little and be a coach instead of an inspirational leader and motivational speaker.

Discuss Singletary's good and bad points thus far.

I think you are overstating it a bit...

1. Preparation: The 49ers had been well prepared and ready to play in every game up to the Atlanta game. Clearly, whatever they did in preparation for Atlanta was unsatisfactory but its not unusual for even championship teams to have the occasional bad game. It happens. Remember the 1994 SB Champion 49ers got blown out at home 40-8 by a bad Eagle team. And, lets not forget, it was a 14-10 game and the 49ers had the ball on the Atlanta 30 yard line after forcing a turnover. Unfortunately, Hill got sacked on the next play and they had to punt, which then led to the long pass and run by White and then the kick-off that Walker fumbled, etc. They couldn't stop the momentum but its not like they got totally blown out from the opening gun. Yes, it was bad but lets not act like preparation has been a season long problem. And, I don't care what anyone says, the Crabtree signing was a distraction that week and showed on Sunday.

2. Time outs: Well, no one complained when he did this in Arizona and it worked. Losing that time out wasn't a problem. Using the time out because Coffee wasn't on the field for the goal line play was the one that really hurt. It was a rookie mistake. Coffee owned up to it. And, under Singletary, the 49ers had not been "blown out" since the very first game when he took over mid-week.

3. Rotating OL: It probably would be better to have clear starters at each spot but lets not forget some of the past 49er SB teams rotated O Linemen at times. For example, Bubba Paris and Steve Wallace rotated at LT, so its not unheard of and its clearly not why the OL has struggled.

4. Making Crabtree a starter is a surprise but we haven't seen him play yet so you don't know anymore than I do the extent to which he may or may not be ready to help. You should be excited that maybe he's that special that even given the limited time he's been here, its clear he needs to be on the field. Lets wait until Sunday before making any judgments on this decision. And, Singletary isn't losing anyone. There was always going to be reshuffling of the WR depth chart whenever he signed.

5. Yelling at the Atlanta player: Singletary has admitted it was a mistake and he needs to be better than that. Its not like its a pattern and its hardly a BIG MISTAKE.

6. Winning: The 49ers are 8-6 under Singletary and 7-3 over the last 10 so its a bit silly to say they cannot win with him. How long has it been since the 49ers were 7-3 over any stretch of games. To say that Nolan was better with game/time management is laughable. Nolan had an incident almost weekly. Singletary's been pretty clean in those respects other than running out of time outs in the first half of the Atlanta game.

Relax, the Atlanta game was bad but it does not take away from everything else Singletary had accomplished leading into that game. If they get blown out again on Sunday, then it may be time to reconsider things.

Excellent post.

That Atlanta loss exposed some weaknesses. Lets see how Singletary (and the Niners) responds and corrects or compensates for those weaknesses going forward before we throw him under the bus. Before this loss, most of us and most of the league thought we had a good thing going. We'll find out in the next month or so who the real Niners are under Singletary.

I agree fully, let's see how Sing's niners respond to the loss and the bye week befor we proclaim him and the season lost. Look i am as crazy a niner fan as anyone, and I get very and somtimes too emotional about the team and games, but I just can't understand why after 6 weeks so many people on this site have gone from fans to leemers. The season is not even half over, so let's root for our team and have faith until given reason too do otherwise. PEACE FROM THE FAN
I remember Nolan's game management/time out usage was calling time outs when the offense had a long drive going and were in the redzone, so that the offense could "regroup" (actually to let Larry Allen carch his breath)and the opposing defense had a chance to rest.

If I remember correctly, we either settled for a field goal or lost the ball (Frank had a lot of fumble problems back then).

Yup, good times.
We are all noticing the lack of scheme on offense, which means the players must have noticed this a long time ago.

I wonder when the players sill decide after they have given 1000% and it's still not working that believing in Jimmy Raye must end.
Originally posted by miked1978:
I love how the wheels on the bandwagon fall off when we lose one game.

I don't give a damn about the timeouts. He's a different kind of coach, let him coach how he wants.

We got our butts kicked by a good Atlanta team. It happens, get over it. You're an idiot if you think we are playoff caliber. The only reason we are even close to the playoffs is because we play in the NFC West.

I like Singletary. He knows Xs and Os more than any of us armchair GMs. This is his first full year as head coach, he's going to make mistkes. Lets see how the team does the rest of the season before we all jump off the wagon.


Listen, he's flat out over matched and was an awful hire. This really wasn't very difficult to see coming. Sabrason and I pounded these thoughts relentlessly during the off season, and to think that some are just starting to pay attention . Hey, sing would be a great guy to have for a grandpa, but we didn't need a grandpa ( except that big baby Vernon), we needed a high caliber NFL coach that could come in here and actually COACH. We needed a guy that could actually scheme. We could have gotten this same BS from a high school gym teacher. Heck, I would hire a high school history teacher over sing right freaking now.
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by miked1978:
I love how the wheels on the bandwagon fall off when we lose one game.

I don't give a damn about the timeouts. He's a different kind of coach, let him coach how he wants.

We got our butts kicked by a good Atlanta team. It happens, get over it. You're an idiot if you think we are playoff caliber. The only reason we are even close to the playoffs is because we play in the NFC West.

I like Singletary. He knows Xs and Os more than any of us armchair GMs. This is his first full year as head coach, he's going to make mistkes. Lets see how the team does the rest of the season before we all jump off the wagon.


Listen, he's flat out over matched and was an awful hire. This really wasn't very difficult to see coming. Sabrason and I pounded these thoughts relentlessly during the off season, and to think that some are just starting to pay attention . Hey, sing would be a great guy to have for a grandpa, but we didn't need a grandpa ( except that big baby Vernon), we needed a high caliber NFL coach that could come in here and actually COACH. We needed a guy that could actually scheme. We could have gotten this same BS from a high school gym teacher. Heck, I would hire a high school history teacher over sing right freaking now.

Howz your lackey Sabrason doing anyway?
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by miked1978:
I love how the wheels on the bandwagon fall off when we lose one game.

I don't give a damn about the timeouts. He's a different kind of coach, let him coach how he wants.

We got our butts kicked by a good Atlanta team. It happens, get over it. You're an idiot if you think we are playoff caliber. The only reason we are even close to the playoffs is because we play in the NFC West.

I like Singletary. He knows Xs and Os more than any of us armchair GMs. This is his first full year as head coach, he's going to make mistkes. Lets see how the team does the rest of the season before we all jump off the wagon.


Listen, he's flat out over matched and was an awful hire. This really wasn't very difficult to see coming. Sabrason and I pounded these thoughts relentlessly during the off season, and to think that some are just starting to pay attention . Hey, sing would be a great guy to have for a grandpa, but we didn't need a grandpa ( except that big baby Vernon), we needed a high caliber NFL coach that could come in here and actually COACH. We needed a guy that could actually scheme. We could have gotten this same BS from a high school gym teacher. Heck, I would hire a high school history teacher over sing right freaking now.

He's got a winning record as a coach for a team that has been under .500 for years. The only thing relentless about this summer was reading how much you were hoping he fails. All of you worriers need to throw those worries under the rock where singfan lives and wait to see how Singletary and the Niners work this out.

The Niners are nowhere near firing Singletary, so save us your masochistic panic and either go torture yourself in private or just wait and see. We very well might lose the next two games, but we'll still be in the Playoff hunt in our weak division. A bad team does not get turned around over night, so kick back and wait to see how this plays out. If by the offseason (playoffs or not) we still haven't made strides, then panic away. But until then, don't poison us with your negativity.
Originally posted by grizzlyadams:
I love Singletary, but if I was Jed York, it would be hard to pass on Holmgren or Shanahan if they were interested in coming back to SF.

It's pretty clear to me that these guys either lost their passion for the game, or time passed them by (done respectively). The fact that the new coach can come into Denver with the same roster, minus their franchise QB, and can take this roster to 6-0 is pretty glaring. The Broncos had the one of the worst defenses in the league last year and now with pretty much the same players and Mike Nolan they are one of the best.

As for Holmgren, he was "retired on active duty" last year. Do you think maybe he's lost his passion.

Maybe this should be called "Joe Gibbs" syndrome.

Personally, I'll take Singletary and his mitakes over a "retread". Heck, if you don't like Singletary why not try to pull the genie out of the bottle and hire that young coach that took over Stanford a few years ago.
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by miked1978:
I love how the wheels on the bandwagon fall off when we lose one game.

I don't give a damn about the timeouts. He's a different kind of coach, let him coach how he wants.

We got our butts kicked by a good Atlanta team. It happens, get over it. You're an idiot if you think we are playoff caliber. The only reason we are even close to the playoffs is because we play in the NFC West.

I like Singletary. He knows Xs and Os more than any of us armchair GMs. This is his first full year as head coach, he's going to make mistkes. Lets see how the team does the rest of the season before we all jump off the wagon.


Listen, he's flat out over matched and was an awful hire. This really wasn't very difficult to see coming. Sabrason and I pounded these thoughts relentlessly during the off season, and to think that some are just starting to pay attention . Hey, sing would be a great guy to have for a grandpa, but we didn't need a grandpa ( except that big baby Vernon), we needed a high caliber NFL coach that could come in here and actually COACH. We needed a guy that could actually scheme. We could have gotten this same BS from a high school gym teacher. Heck, I would hire a high school history teacher over sing right freaking now.

Howz your lackey Sabrason doing anyway?



I see you're not so hot on sing anymore. I accept your apology. Sabrason does as well. We are only here to educate and inform.

Get Shanahan before the Chargers get him!!!!
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by miked1978:
I love how the wheels on the bandwagon fall off when we lose one game.

I don't give a damn about the timeouts. He's a different kind of coach, let him coach how he wants.

We got our butts kicked by a good Atlanta team. It happens, get over it. You're an idiot if you think we are playoff caliber. The only reason we are even close to the playoffs is because we play in the NFC West.

I like Singletary. He knows Xs and Os more than any of us armchair GMs. This is his first full year as head coach, he's going to make mistkes. Lets see how the team does the rest of the season before we all jump off the wagon.


Listen, he's flat out over matched and was an awful hire. This really wasn't very difficult to see coming. Sabrason and I pounded these thoughts relentlessly during the off season, and to think that some are just starting to pay attention . Hey, sing would be a great guy to have for a grandpa, but we didn't need a grandpa ( except that big baby Vernon), we needed a high caliber NFL coach that could come in here and actually COACH. We needed a guy that could actually scheme. We could have gotten this same BS from a high school gym teacher. Heck, I would hire a high school history teacher over sing right freaking now.

Howz your lackey Sabrason doing anyway?



I see you're not so hot on sing anymore. I accept your apology. Sabrason does as well. We are only here to educate and inform.

Get Shanahan before the Chargers get him!!!!

Oh, I support Sing fully. Not crazy about his selection at OC, other than that, I'm cool with Sing.
Originally posted by cNiner:
Originally posted by RichmondPete:
SanDiego49er you are a joke.

why? cuz he has no right to his opnion !

No, because he believes being negative makes him appear to have football knowledge.
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by singfan:
Originally posted by miked1978:
I love how the wheels on the bandwagon fall off when we lose one game.

I don't give a damn about the timeouts. He's a different kind of coach, let him coach how he wants.

We got our butts kicked by a good Atlanta team. It happens, get over it. You're an idiot if you think we are playoff caliber. The only reason we are even close to the playoffs is because we play in the NFC West.

I like Singletary. He knows Xs and Os more than any of us armchair GMs. This is his first full year as head coach, he's going to make mistkes. Lets see how the team does the rest of the season before we all jump off the wagon.


Listen, he's flat out over matched and was an awful hire. This really wasn't very difficult to see coming. Sabrason and I pounded these thoughts relentlessly during the off season, and to think that some are just starting to pay attention . Hey, sing would be a great guy to have for a grandpa, but we didn't need a grandpa ( except that big baby Vernon), we needed a high caliber NFL coach that could come in here and actually COACH. We needed a guy that could actually scheme. We could have gotten this same BS from a high school gym teacher. Heck, I would hire a high school history teacher over sing right freaking now.

Howz your lackey Sabrason doing anyway?



I see you're not so hot on sing anymore. I accept your apology. Sabrason does as well. We are only here to educate and inform.

Get Shanahan before the Chargers get him!!!!

Go away you freaking troll.
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Originally posted by ObePwnD:
I read your post

Probably not. This is what I wrote, to be clear:

If anything might explain losses it might be:

A) Sing calls for another 'pep rally' when you need to save timeouts

B) Some other players haven't learned from Morgan or Bly and seem to kind of phone it in at the worst possible time

C) Manusky still hasn't figured out how to prevent the long bomb. And he's facing a speedster in AJ.

D) Roman - Roman does something he shouldn't

E) ST bobbles and waffles and stumbles and turns one over, but doesn't grab one for themselves

F) Low line-drive Hill tosses are batted and picked

G) The O-line can't open holes or pass protect

H) The D can't manage to consistently pressure the QB

But other than that.

Again, seriously, this 49ers team, with the players they have, SHOULD be competitive in these next games. But the way they've played leads some fans to already have their excuses prepared - which, I think, boil down to, how-best-to-lose, and wait-til-next-year.

Am I wrong?
Originally posted by dust-7:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
I read your post

Probably not. This is what I wrote, to be clear:

If anything might explain losses it might be:

A) Sing calls for another 'pep rally' when you need to save timeouts

B) Some other players haven't learned from Morgan or Bly and seem to kind of phone it in at the worst possible time

C) Manusky still hasn't figured out how to prevent the long bomb. And he's facing a speedster in AJ.

D) Roman - Roman does something he shouldn't

E) ST bobbles and waffles and stumbles and turns one over, but doesn't grab one for themselves

F) Low line-drive Hill tosses are batted and picked

G) The O-line can't open holes or pass protect

H) The D can't manage to consistently pressure the QB

But other than that.

Again, seriously, this 49ers team, with the players they have, SHOULD be competitive in these next games. But the way they've played leads some fans to already have their excuses prepared - which, I think, boil down to, how-best-to-lose, and wait-til-next-year.

Am I wrong?

To be CLEAR, I read you post, new guy.

I agree with (D) (F) (G).

Other than that, you sound just like another broken record that's getting way too much play in Niner Talk.
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Originally posted by ObePwnD:
So was it a BIG mistake? No, I don't think so. Every team burns timeouts early that they wish they had back at times.

But not on some 'pep rally', as it's been called by many, at the NFL level. Not for that. BE PREPARED. Come prepared for that opponent, on that day. Bill Walsh thought so. Sing said - he wasn't, and they weren't, for the Falcons. It wasn't a one-off, an 'outlier' , an inexplicable - oops. It was, and I repeat - a FAILURE TO PREPARE FOR THE GAME. All in caps. Coach Sing said that in his very first remarks after the game, placing the emphasis on the failure of the coaching staff, and on himself, before mentioning the sometimes lazy play of a few players. And Sing is a supposed to have been a close friend of Coach Walsh. Perhaps, Coach Sing should have asked Bill a few more questions.

Lack of preparation is not something that happens unexpectedly. It happens over and over again. The 49ers HAVE to beat the Texans on Sunday. We'll have to see a team more like that which went out and beat the Vikes, only to hand it over to them at the end.

Bye week. Atlanta made good use of theirs. Let's see on Sunday. There is NO reason the 49ers cannot beat Houston on their home field!