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Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by gravelburn:
The argument that Crabtree shouln't get much time because he doesn't know the playbook is like saying Braylon Edwards should have sat out the first few games with the Jets while he learned their playbook. The fact is you want your best weapons on the field. I can't imagine Crabtree knows the playbook as well as Morgan, but the coaches obviously think that despite his late arrival, he still has some play-making ability that would be a waste if he were to be on the sideline.

Of course Singletary has to worry about how any preferential treatment might affect the rest of the team, but if Crabtree produces, no one will question it. Then again if he doesn't produce, Singletary needs to pull him back.

At this point we can't judge either way. We'll know more on Sunday (if the O-Line and Hill execute) and will continue to learn more with every week. Singletary IS taking a chance by throwing Crabtree into the mix right away, but he obviously thinks it's a risk worth taking. I'd rather have that kind of a coach than one not willing to take a risk when the outcome could help the team. Of course, as I said, whether this risk pays off remains to be seen.

Singletary is a dynamic coach who does things differently than what we're used to seeing from other NFL coaches. He takes some risks and pays for it at times. He's also very new at this and is continuing to learn. And that's what's most important- that he learns from the mistakes he makes. This team is not going to win it all this year (barring something miraculous), so right about now I welcome Singletary's risk-taking and learning.

Up until this last game, as a fan you had to be impressed with the team's (well at least the defense's) new-found inspired play. If we can see more of that along with more maturity and consistent execution, Singletary could be building something special. We definitely have lots of room for improvement in all areas, but let's not be so quick to label a decision bad because we're a long way from knowing how this story will end. I certainly prefer this to a coach who doesn't make adjustments despite obvious flaws. Have a little patience, because Singletary inherited a bad team. Change takes time (whether it be bad team to good team or HOF LB to NFL head coach) and that's whet we've got to give Singletary.

I only have one thing to address in your conundrum.

Braylon Edwards is a 5 year Vet.

Crabs is a Rookie with absolutely ZERO experience at the NFL level.

I mean you might as well have stated something along the lines of...

"Well Brett Favre started for the Vikings without having Camped with them and learned their playbook, so Nate Davis should be starting because he lit up 3rd and 4th teamers in the Preseason and he did go to Camp."

See the inequality here?

Edwards is a PROVEN Receiver who knows how to run NFL routes.

Crabtree has had what 2 weeks of catchup?

~Ceadder

I know we have our disagreements Ceadder but stop making so much sense.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
The whole time out issue is nitpicking for the sake of something to complain about. Mike Singletary is Mike Singletary and he is his own individual, if he wasn't you'd complain about that.

And if you truly believe Coaches like BW, Jimmy Johnson or any other HC (be it one who is good to great or one who is not cut out to be a HC) would not call or have not called a timeout because they see their players are gassed (which is fairly normal last I checked when the D is on the field for nearly 2/3rd's of the game), are losing their focus due to being frustrated and flustered which in turn usually causes mental mistakes to be made then you are being ignorant to that fact.

No matter how prepared you are one small mental mistake can lead to a big play or chain of mental mistakes that results in a momentum swing in your opponents favor. "Pep Rally" timeouts are in fact common in the NFL and are called to try and stop a team's momentum and get your team back on the same page and get your guys a quick breather. It has nothing to do with the team's preparation during the week and you can't really prepare for all in game adjustments that teams will make. You seriously need to stop being ignorant to the fact and accept it. You don't have to like it but you should become accepting of it because it likely will never go away.

Here's the problem blowing your timeouts also leads to missing out on a momentum swings. Either it costs you time at the end of the half which potentially costs you points or it costs you a challenge which is probally going to be a momentum swinging play, and in our case definetily was.

You can't burn multiple timeouts early in the half on rah rah speeches. That's poor management.

Which is why teams practice the no huddle and 2 minute offense and have to be prepared to run it with all or none of your timeouts. They prepare for situations like that.

Also sometimes those challenges are not overturned no matter how clear it is to you or me if the ref can't see indisputable evidence they can't overturn the call and there are times that refs flat out blow a reviewed call. You can't count on a challenge to swing the momentum thus why you have to assure your team doesn't allow for too many mental mistakes and if calling a timeout to get everyone back on the same page is what is needed then do it. You preferably want to save your timeouts but you have to use them to your advantage and sometimes a "pep rally" timeout can work to your advantage. Others it will bite you in the ass but so much of football is risk vs reward and you have to take certain risks.

Our team should practice the 2 minute offense and be prepared to run it with no timeouts. WOW.

Really? That's a nice way to put this young under talented team at a huge disadvantage.

So now you're saying that the timeouts should be saved to be used during 2 minute offense cuz "this young under talented team" would need them then?

But the same "young under talented team" SHOULDN'T use a TO to regain their composure when the other side hands it to them in the first quarter?

You're not making sense here.

You need them for:

~ End of half
~ End of game
~ Challenges

Sez who?

I agree that time outs should be considered precious, to be used carefully and sparingly.

But if a coach sees his team struggling, panic stricken, or perhaps just sleep walking, I am unaware of any rule that says that coach cannot call a timeout and address the situtation, anytime during the game. Particularly with a "young, undertalented team," such a timeout may be necessary at times other than those you've randomly listed.

Its not like Singletary called two timeouts in a row to try to "ice" a kicker, like a certain super bowl winning, HOF coach once did.

Pretty thin evidence upon which to base your sweeping condemnation of Coach Singletary. IMHO.

If the team is struggling, panic stricken or sleep walking that is a direct reflection on the HC.

So what are you saying, Sing should do nothing? Or should he... call a timeout and regroup?
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
The whole time out issue is nitpicking for the sake of something to complain about. Mike Singletary is Mike Singletary and he is his own individual, if he wasn't you'd complain about that.

And if you truly believe Coaches like BW, Jimmy Johnson or any other HC (be it one who is good to great or one who is not cut out to be a HC) would not call or have not called a timeout because they see their players are gassed (which is fairly normal last I checked when the D is on the field for nearly 2/3rd's of the game), are losing their focus due to being frustrated and flustered which in turn usually causes mental mistakes to be made then you are being ignorant to that fact.

No matter how prepared you are one small mental mistake can lead to a big play or chain of mental mistakes that results in a momentum swing in your opponents favor. "Pep Rally" timeouts are in fact common in the NFL and are called to try and stop a team's momentum and get your team back on the same page and get your guys a quick breather. It has nothing to do with the team's preparation during the week and you can't really prepare for all in game adjustments that teams will make. You seriously need to stop being ignorant to the fact and accept it. You don't have to like it but you should become accepting of it because it likely will never go away.

Here's the problem blowing your timeouts also leads to missing out on a momentum swings. Either it costs you time at the end of the half which potentially costs you points or it costs you a challenge which is probally going to be a momentum swinging play, and in our case definetily was.

You can't burn multiple timeouts early in the half on rah rah speeches. That's poor management.

Which is why teams practice the no huddle and 2 minute offense and have to be prepared to run it with all or none of your timeouts. They prepare for situations like that.

Also sometimes those challenges are not overturned no matter how clear it is to you or me if the ref can't see indisputable evidence they can't overturn the call and there are times that refs flat out blow a reviewed call. You can't count on a challenge to swing the momentum thus why you have to assure your team doesn't allow for too many mental mistakes and if calling a timeout to get everyone back on the same page is what is needed then do it. You preferably want to save your timeouts but you have to use them to your advantage and sometimes a "pep rally" timeout can work to your advantage. Others it will bite you in the ass but so much of football is risk vs reward and you have to take certain risks.

Our team should practice the 2 minute offense and be prepared to run it with no timeouts. WOW.

Really? That's a nice way to put this young under talented team at a huge disadvantage.

So now you're saying that the timeouts should be saved to be used during 2 minute offense cuz "this young under talented team" would need them then?

But the same "young under talented team" SHOULDN'T use a TO to regain their composure when the other side hands it to them in the first quarter?

You're not making sense here.

You need them for:

~ End of half
~ End of game
~ Challenges

Sez who?

I agree that time outs should be considered precious, to be used carefully and sparingly.

But if a coach sees his team struggling, panic stricken, or perhaps just sleep walking, I am unaware of any rule that says that coach cannot call a timeout and address the situtation, anytime during the game. Particularly with a "young, undertalented team," such a timeout may be necessary at times other than those you've randomly listed.

Its not like Singletary called two timeouts in a row to try to "ice" a kicker, like a certain super bowl winning, HOF coach once did.

Pretty thin evidence upon which to base your sweeping condemnation of Coach Singletary. IMHO.

If the team is struggling, panic stricken or sleep walking that is a direct reflection on the HC.

So what are you saying, Sing should do nothing? Or should he... call a timeout and regroup?

He should have his team prepared so they aren't panic stricken, struggling or sleep walking.

That way he can use his timeouts for END OF HALF, END OF GAME, and CHALLENGES.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Gore_21:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I do have a big problem with PEP RALLY TIMEOUTS. That should be ZERO. PEP RALLY's are for practice. Game timeouts are to stop the clock at the end of half or end of game or for challenges.

Yelling at other teams players is well below HC material.

It's not like we are wasting them like Mike Martz. I agree with what you are saying but both times they where needed. Basically Singletary sees us losing momentum and falling apart and he tried to stop it. Nothing wrong with using them to try to turn around the game.

The timeouts WERE NOT NEEDED! A complete waste. Timeouts are for:

~ End of half.
~ End of game.
~ Challenges.


That is it period. If a HC doesn't know that he shouldn't be HC.


at this post..... Timeouts maybe for those three things, but they have been used for various reason through out football history.... I LOVE THE WAY SINGLETARY chooses to use ours.....

you my look at it as a Pep talk.... I look at it as situations were our defense looked tired and were giving up considerable yardage......so a timeout to rest them and at the same time rest them mentally for a short period of time, while reminding them what the situation is and what to look out for....is very necessary, I don't expect our Defense to play Perfect all the time.

like I have said before Atlanta's coach Smith made a wonderful decision to call for a playaction and a deep pass after that timeout..... he knew that the 9er defense wanted to make a play bad for each other and coach....and were most likely going to be aggressive.......so I think everyone on Defense learned from that play....in the future, yes SD we are still going to use those types of time outs, in the future I'm sure they will look out for a misdirection play after those types of time outs.....

Have Faith in singletery when he says this team will be special this year .. beleive it.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
The whole time out issue is nitpicking for the sake of something to complain about. Mike Singletary is Mike Singletary and he is his own individual, if he wasn't you'd complain about that.

And if you truly believe Coaches like BW, Jimmy Johnson or any other HC (be it one who is good to great or one who is not cut out to be a HC) would not call or have not called a timeout because they see their players are gassed (which is fairly normal last I checked when the D is on the field for nearly 2/3rd's of the game), are losing their focus due to being frustrated and flustered which in turn usually causes mental mistakes to be made then you are being ignorant to that fact.

No matter how prepared you are one small mental mistake can lead to a big play or chain of mental mistakes that results in a momentum swing in your opponents favor. "Pep Rally" timeouts are in fact common in the NFL and are called to try and stop a team's momentum and get your team back on the same page and get your guys a quick breather. It has nothing to do with the team's preparation during the week and you can't really prepare for all in game adjustments that teams will make. You seriously need to stop being ignorant to the fact and accept it. You don't have to like it but you should become accepting of it because it likely will never go away.

Here's the problem blowing your timeouts also leads to missing out on a momentum swings. Either it costs you time at the end of the half which potentially costs you points or it costs you a challenge which is probally going to be a momentum swinging play, and in our case definetily was.

You can't burn multiple timeouts early in the half on rah rah speeches. That's poor management.

Which is why teams practice the no huddle and 2 minute offense and have to be prepared to run it with all or none of your timeouts. They prepare for situations like that.

Also sometimes those challenges are not overturned no matter how clear it is to you or me if the ref can't see indisputable evidence they can't overturn the call and there are times that refs flat out blow a reviewed call. You can't count on a challenge to swing the momentum thus why you have to assure your team doesn't allow for too many mental mistakes and if calling a timeout to get everyone back on the same page is what is needed then do it. You preferably want to save your timeouts but you have to use them to your advantage and sometimes a "pep rally" timeout can work to your advantage. Others it will bite you in the ass but so much of football is risk vs reward and you have to take certain risks.

Our team should practice the 2 minute offense and be prepared to run it with no timeouts. WOW.

Really? That's a nice way to put this young under talented team at a huge disadvantage.

So now you're saying that the timeouts should be saved to be used during 2 minute offense cuz "this young under talented team" would need them then?

But the same "young under talented team" SHOULDN'T use a TO to regain their composure when the other side hands it to them in the first quarter?

You're not making sense here.

You need them for:

~ End of half
~ End of game
~ Challenges

Sez who?

I agree that time outs should be considered precious, to be used carefully and sparingly.

But if a coach sees his team struggling, panic stricken, or perhaps just sleep walking, I am unaware of any rule that says that coach cannot call a timeout and address the situtation, anytime during the game. Particularly with a "young, undertalented team," such a timeout may be necessary at times other than those you've randomly listed.

Its not like Singletary called two timeouts in a row to try to "ice" a kicker, like a certain super bowl winning, HOF coach once did.

Pretty thin evidence upon which to base your sweeping condemnation of Coach Singletary. IMHO.

If the team is struggling, panic stricken or sleep walking that is a direct reflection on the HC.

So what are you saying, Sing should do nothing? Or should he... call a timeout and regroup?

He should have his team prepared so they aren't panic stricken, struggling or sleep walking.

That way he can use his timeouts for END OF HALF, END OF GAME, and CHALLENGES.

First of all you, seem to assume that if a team makes a few bad plays in a row its the head coach’s fault. The players are the ones playing; they are going to make mistakes that are out of the influence of the coaches. You don’t (shouldn’t, but in your, case who knows) blame a coach for Gore’s fumbles. So if a defense is missing tackles, or taking bad angles why do blame the coach for those errors?

Second, since when are timeouts only for the end of the half’s and challenges? Where in the hell does this absolute come from? So, unless a team has the ball with a chance to score at the end of a half, they shouldn’t use their timeouts? With you logic, most teams would never use all of their timeouts.

If you stated this position as how you would do it, fine, that’s you opinion. But you act like Sing is going 4th down on his own 5 in the first quarter.
[ Edited by jta854 on Oct 22, 2009 at 8:18 PM ]
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
The whole time out issue is nitpicking for the sake of something to complain about. Mike Singletary is Mike Singletary and he is his own individual, if he wasn't you'd complain about that.

And if you truly believe Coaches like BW, Jimmy Johnson or any other HC (be it one who is good to great or one who is not cut out to be a HC) would not call or have not called a timeout because they see their players are gassed (which is fairly normal last I checked when the D is on the field for nearly 2/3rd's of the game), are losing their focus due to being frustrated and flustered which in turn usually causes mental mistakes to be made then you are being ignorant to that fact.

No matter how prepared you are one small mental mistake can lead to a big play or chain of mental mistakes that results in a momentum swing in your opponents favor. "Pep Rally" timeouts are in fact common in the NFL and are called to try and stop a team's momentum and get your team back on the same page and get your guys a quick breather. It has nothing to do with the team's preparation during the week and you can't really prepare for all in game adjustments that teams will make. You seriously need to stop being ignorant to the fact and accept it. You don't have to like it but you should become accepting of it because it likely will never go away.

Here's the problem blowing your timeouts also leads to missing out on a momentum swings. Either it costs you time at the end of the half which potentially costs you points or it costs you a challenge which is probally going to be a momentum swinging play, and in our case definetily was.

You can't burn multiple timeouts early in the half on rah rah speeches. That's poor management.

Which is why teams practice the no huddle and 2 minute offense and have to be prepared to run it with all or none of your timeouts. They prepare for situations like that.

Also sometimes those challenges are not overturned no matter how clear it is to you or me if the ref can't see indisputable evidence they can't overturn the call and there are times that refs flat out blow a reviewed call. You can't count on a challenge to swing the momentum thus why you have to assure your team doesn't allow for too many mental mistakes and if calling a timeout to get everyone back on the same page is what is needed then do it. You preferably want to save your timeouts but you have to use them to your advantage and sometimes a "pep rally" timeout can work to your advantage. Others it will bite you in the ass but so much of football is risk vs reward and you have to take certain risks.

Our team should practice the 2 minute offense and be prepared to run it with no timeouts. WOW.

Really? That's a nice way to put this young under talented team at a huge disadvantage.

So now you're saying that the timeouts should be saved to be used during 2 minute offense cuz "this young under talented team" would need them then?

But the same "young under talented team" SHOULDN'T use a TO to regain their composure when the other side hands it to them in the first quarter?

You're not making sense here.

You need them for:

~ End of half
~ End of game
~ Challenges

Sez who?

I agree that time outs should be considered precious, to be used carefully and sparingly.

But if a coach sees his team struggling, panic stricken, or perhaps just sleep walking, I am unaware of any rule that says that coach cannot call a timeout and address the situtation, anytime during the game. Particularly with a "young, undertalented team," such a timeout may be necessary at times other than those you've randomly listed.

Its not like Singletary called two timeouts in a row to try to "ice" a kicker, like a certain super bowl winning, HOF coach once did.

Pretty thin evidence upon which to base your sweeping condemnation of Coach Singletary. IMHO.

If the team is struggling, panic stricken or sleep walking that is a direct reflection on the HC.

So what are you saying, Sing should do nothing? Or should he... call a timeout and regroup?

He should have his team prepared so they aren't panic stricken, struggling or sleep walking.

That way he can use his timeouts for END OF HALF, END OF GAME, and CHALLENGES.

LOL. Your posts are quite entertaining in this thread. Hilarious, even.

You, yourself, have labelled the team "young and under talented."

No matter how well prepared, such a team may find itself struggling at times, which would, in turn, require the HC to call a time out--and that's what Singletary did!

As you correctly point out, its not like this team is full of experienced, saavy veteran leaders who can coach themselves out of trouble. The defensive leader, Willis, is in his first year feeling comfortable enough to wear the mike in his helmet and call defensive signals.

But rather than conceding the point, you claim that the HC made a BIG MISTAKE because he called a timeout at some time other than one that appears on your personal, limited, partial list of reasons why you believe a timeout should ever be called.

Make up your mind. Did Singletary do the right thing in helping his "young, under talented" team attempt to overcome their struggles, or did he make a BIG MISTAKE because he called a timeout at a time that's not on your little, personal list? Your posts seem inconsistent and illogical.

Proof positive that SHOUTING or POSTING IN ALL CAPS doesn't necessarily make your points logical or correct.
[ Edited by oldninerdude on Oct 22, 2009 at 8:54 PM ]
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
The whole time out issue is nitpicking for the sake of something to complain about. Mike Singletary is Mike Singletary and he is his own individual, if he wasn't you'd complain about that.

And if you truly believe Coaches like BW, Jimmy Johnson or any other HC (be it one who is good to great or one who is not cut out to be a HC) would not call or have not called a timeout because they see their players are gassed (which is fairly normal last I checked when the D is on the field for nearly 2/3rd's of the game), are losing their focus due to being frustrated and flustered which in turn usually causes mental mistakes to be made then you are being ignorant to that fact.

No matter how prepared you are one small mental mistake can lead to a big play or chain of mental mistakes that results in a momentum swing in your opponents favor. "Pep Rally" timeouts are in fact common in the NFL and are called to try and stop a team's momentum and get your team back on the same page and get your guys a quick breather. It has nothing to do with the team's preparation during the week and you can't really prepare for all in game adjustments that teams will make. You seriously need to stop being ignorant to the fact and accept it. You don't have to like it but you should become accepting of it because it likely will never go away.

Here's the problem blowing your timeouts also leads to missing out on a momentum swings. Either it costs you time at the end of the half which potentially costs you points or it costs you a challenge which is probally going to be a momentum swinging play, and in our case definetily was.

You can't burn multiple timeouts early in the half on rah rah speeches. That's poor management.

Which is why teams practice the no huddle and 2 minute offense and have to be prepared to run it with all or none of your timeouts. They prepare for situations like that.

Also sometimes those challenges are not overturned no matter how clear it is to you or me if the ref can't see indisputable evidence they can't overturn the call and there are times that refs flat out blow a reviewed call. You can't count on a challenge to swing the momentum thus why you have to assure your team doesn't allow for too many mental mistakes and if calling a timeout to get everyone back on the same page is what is needed then do it. You preferably want to save your timeouts but you have to use them to your advantage and sometimes a "pep rally" timeout can work to your advantage. Others it will bite you in the ass but so much of football is risk vs reward and you have to take certain risks.

Our team should practice the 2 minute offense and be prepared to run it with no timeouts. WOW.

Really? That's a nice way to put this young under talented team at a huge disadvantage.

So now you're saying that the timeouts should be saved to be used during 2 minute offense cuz "this young under talented team" would need them then?

But the same "young under talented team" SHOULDN'T use a TO to regain their composure when the other side hands it to them in the first quarter?

You're not making sense here.

You need them for:

~ End of half
~ End of game
~ Challenges

Sez who?

I agree that time outs should be considered precious, to be used carefully and sparingly.

But if a coach sees his team struggling, panic stricken, or perhaps just sleep walking, I am unaware of any rule that says that coach cannot call a timeout and address the situtation, anytime during the game. Particularly with a "young, undertalented team," such a timeout may be necessary at times other than those you've randomly listed.

Its not like Singletary called two timeouts in a row to try to "ice" a kicker, like a certain super bowl winning, HOF coach once did.

Pretty thin evidence upon which to base your sweeping condemnation of Coach Singletary. IMHO.

If the team is struggling, panic stricken or sleep walking that is a direct reflection on the HC.

So what are you saying, Sing should do nothing? Or should he... call a timeout and regroup?

He should have his team prepared so they aren't panic stricken, struggling or sleep walking.

That way he can use his timeouts for END OF HALF, END OF GAME, and CHALLENGES.

LOL. Your posts are quite entertaining in this thread. Hilarious, even.

You, yourself, have labelled the team "young and under talented."

No matter how well prepared, such a team may find itself struggling at times, which would, in turn, require the HC to call a time out--and that's what Singletary did!

As you correctly point out, its not like this team is full of experienced, saavy veteran leaders who can coach themselves out of trouble. The defensive leader, Willis, is in his first year feeling comfortable enough to wear the mike in his helmet and call defensive signals.

But rather than conceding the point, you claim that the HC made a BIG MISTAKE because he called a timeout at some time other than one that appears on your personal, limited, partial list of reasons why you believe a timeout should ever be called.

Make up your mind. Did Singletary do the right thing in helping his "young, under talented" team attempt to overcome their struggles, or did he make a BIG MISTAKE because he called a timeout at a time that's not on your little, personal list? Your posts seem inconsistent and illogical.

Proof positive that SHOUTING or POSTING IN ALL CAPS doesn't necessarily make your points logical or correct.

I sooooooo owe you a beer.

Seriously!



You made my day after a very difficult one. Yes, it is sad that I had to find enjoyment in the failure of a username called SanDiego49er in this laughable thread.

I am soooo happy now!

It is true what they say..."Happiness depends on point of view as well as the truth."

...the truth will set you free!

[ Edited by ninertico on Oct 22, 2009 at 11:07 PM ]
Of course Singletary's making some mistakes...he wouldn't be human if he didn't. He's got less than a full-season as head coach...he understudied Nolan for 3 1/2 seasons. Give the guy a break...he'll learn.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by gravelburn:
The argument that Crabtree shouln't get much time because he doesn't know the playbook is like saying Braylon Edwards should have sat out the first few games with the Jets while he learned their playbook. The fact is you want your best weapons on the field. I can't imagine Crabtree knows the playbook as well as Morgan, but the coaches obviously think that despite his late arrival, he still has some play-making ability that would be a waste if he were to be on the sideline.

Of course Singletary has to worry about how any preferential treatment might affect the rest of the team, but if Crabtree produces, no one will question it. Then again if he doesn't produce, Singletary needs to pull him back.

At this point we can't judge either way. We'll know more on Sunday (if the O-Line and Hill execute) and will continue to learn more with every week. Singletary IS taking a chance by throwing Crabtree into the mix right away, but he obviously thinks it's a risk worth taking. I'd rather have that kind of a coach than one not willing to take a risk when the outcome could help the team. Of course, as I said, whether this risk pays off remains to be seen.

Singletary is a dynamic coach who does things differently than what we're used to seeing from other NFL coaches. He takes some risks and pays for it at times. He's also very new at this and is continuing to learn. And that's what's most important- that he learns from the mistakes he makes. This team is not going to win it all this year (barring something miraculous), so right about now I welcome Singletary's risk-taking and learning.

Up until this last game, as a fan you had to be impressed with the team's (well at least the defense's) new-found inspired play. If we can see more of that along with more maturity and consistent execution, Singletary could be building something special. We definitely have lots of room for improvement in all areas, but let's not be so quick to label a decision bad because we're a long way from knowing how this story will end. I certainly prefer this to a coach who doesn't make adjustments despite obvious flaws. Have a little patience, because Singletary inherited a bad team. Change takes time (whether it be bad team to good team or HOF LB to NFL head coach) and that's whet we've got to give Singletary.

I only have one thing to address in your conundrum.

Braylon Edwards is a 5 year Vet.

Crabs is a Rookie with absolutely ZERO experience at the NFL level.

I mean you might as well have stated something along the lines of...

"Well Brett Favre started for the Vikings without having Camped with them and learned their playbook, so Nate Davis should be starting because he lit up 3rd and 4th teamers in the Preseason and he did go to Camp."

See the inequality here?

Edwards is a PROVEN Receiver who knows how to run NFL routes.

Crabtree has had what 2 weeks of catchup?

~Ceadder

At the same time, the guy he is replacing has less than a full season of experience. So maybe the comparison to Edwards isn't accurate, but you should get my point that knowledge of the playbook isn't a complete argument for or against whether Crabtree should be playing. As long as he is prepared for the plays he has to run, there's no reason to keep a valuable weapon on the bench. And whether or not it's a good decision to play him right away cannot be determined as it will be based on how he performs. He does well as Singletary made a great choice, he screws up and the OP's argument has legitimacy. As a Niner fan, there's a lot to worry about right now, but at the same time, we all have to be hoping that some of these questionable decisions and risk taking pay off. Until they don't and the future gets much darker, I still have some faith that there's light at the end of the tunnel.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
The whole time out issue is nitpicking for the sake of something to complain about. Mike Singletary is Mike Singletary and he is his own individual, if he wasn't you'd complain about that.

And if you truly believe Coaches like BW, Jimmy Johnson or any other HC (be it one who is good to great or one who is not cut out to be a HC) would not call or have not called a timeout because they see their players are gassed (which is fairly normal last I checked when the D is on the field for nearly 2/3rd's of the game), are losing their focus due to being frustrated and flustered which in turn usually causes mental mistakes to be made then you are being ignorant to that fact.

No matter how prepared you are one small mental mistake can lead to a big play or chain of mental mistakes that results in a momentum swing in your opponents favor. "Pep Rally" timeouts are in fact common in the NFL and are called to try and stop a team's momentum and get your team back on the same page and get your guys a quick breather. It has nothing to do with the team's preparation during the week and you can't really prepare for all in game adjustments that teams will make. You seriously need to stop being ignorant to the fact and accept it. You don't have to like it but you should become accepting of it because it likely will never go away.

Here's the problem blowing your timeouts also leads to missing out on a momentum swings. Either it costs you time at the end of the half which potentially costs you points or it costs you a challenge which is probally going to be a momentum swinging play, and in our case definetily was.

You can't burn multiple timeouts early in the half on rah rah speeches. That's poor management.

Which is why teams practice the no huddle and 2 minute offense and have to be prepared to run it with all or none of your timeouts. They prepare for situations like that.

Also sometimes those challenges are not overturned no matter how clear it is to you or me if the ref can't see indisputable evidence they can't overturn the call and there are times that refs flat out blow a reviewed call. You can't count on a challenge to swing the momentum thus why you have to assure your team doesn't allow for too many mental mistakes and if calling a timeout to get everyone back on the same page is what is needed then do it. You preferably want to save your timeouts but you have to use them to your advantage and sometimes a "pep rally" timeout can work to your advantage. Others it will bite you in the ass but so much of football is risk vs reward and you have to take certain risks.

Our team should practice the 2 minute offense and be prepared to run it with no timeouts. WOW.

Really? That's a nice way to put this young under talented team at a huge disadvantage.

Yes, yes they should. You have to be prepared for all situations.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
...Coffee... And whose responsibility is it to have all their players know what to do in every situation? If Coffee didn't know what to do in that situation that is a reflection of the HC. The players should know their responsibilities better.

Thanks for proving my point. If the team is unprepared then it is the HC's fault but now you don't want them to be prepared for ANY situation ? Ever heard of using your timeouts and as a game's nearing it's end to stop the clock in hopes of getting the ball back to try and get a game tying/winning score ?

Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by jta854:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by KRS-1:
The whole time out issue is nitpicking for the sake of something to complain about. Mike Singletary is Mike Singletary and he is his own individual, if he wasn't you'd complain about that.

And if you truly believe Coaches like BW, Jimmy Johnson or any other HC (be it one who is good to great or one who is not cut out to be a HC) would not call or have not called a timeout because they see their players are gassed (which is fairly normal last I checked when the D is on the field for nearly 2/3rd's of the game), are losing their focus due to being frustrated and flustered which in turn usually causes mental mistakes to be made then you are being ignorant to that fact.

No matter how prepared you are one small mental mistake can lead to a big play or chain of mental mistakes that results in a momentum swing in your opponents favor. "Pep Rally" timeouts are in fact common in the NFL and are called to try and stop a team's momentum and get your team back on the same page and get your guys a quick breather. It has nothing to do with the team's preparation during the week and you can't really prepare for all in game adjustments that teams will make. You seriously need to stop being ignorant to the fact and accept it. You don't have to like it but you should become accepting of it because it likely will never go away.

Here's the problem blowing your timeouts also leads to missing out on a momentum swings. Either it costs you time at the end of the half which potentially costs you points or it costs you a challenge which is probally going to be a momentum swinging play, and in our case definetily was.

You can't burn multiple timeouts early in the half on rah rah speeches. That's poor management.

Which is why teams practice the no huddle and 2 minute offense and have to be prepared to run it with all or none of your timeouts. They prepare for situations like that.

Also sometimes those challenges are not overturned no matter how clear it is to you or me if the ref can't see indisputable evidence they can't overturn the call and there are times that refs flat out blow a reviewed call. You can't count on a challenge to swing the momentum thus why you have to assure your team doesn't allow for too many mental mistakes and if calling a timeout to get everyone back on the same page is what is needed then do it. You preferably want to save your timeouts but you have to use them to your advantage and sometimes a "pep rally" timeout can work to your advantage. Others it will bite you in the ass but so much of football is risk vs reward and you have to take certain risks.

Our team should practice the 2 minute offense and be prepared to run it with no timeouts. WOW.

Really? That's a nice way to put this young under talented team at a huge disadvantage.

So now you're saying that the timeouts should be saved to be used during 2 minute offense cuz "this young under talented team" would need them then?

But the same "young under talented team" SHOULDN'T use a TO to regain their composure when the other side hands it to them in the first quarter?

You're not making sense here.

You need them for:

~ End of half
~ End of game
~ Challenges

Sez who?

I agree that time outs should be considered precious, to be used carefully and sparingly.

But if a coach sees his team struggling, panic stricken, or perhaps just sleep walking, I am unaware of any rule that says that coach cannot call a timeout and address the situtation, anytime during the game. Particularly with a "young, undertalented team," such a timeout may be necessary at times other than those you've randomly listed.

Its not like Singletary called two timeouts in a row to try to "ice" a kicker, like a certain super bowl winning, HOF coach once did.

Pretty thin evidence upon which to base your sweeping condemnation of Coach Singletary. IMHO.

If the team is struggling, panic stricken or sleep walking that is a direct reflection on the HC.

So what are you saying, Sing should do nothing? Or should he... call a timeout and regroup?

He should have his team prepared so they aren't panic stricken, struggling or sleep walking.

That way he can use his timeouts for END OF HALF, END OF GAME, and CHALLENGES.

LOL. Your posts are quite entertaining in this thread. Hilarious, even.

You, yourself, have labelled the team "young and under talented."

No matter how well prepared, such a team may find itself struggling at times, which would, in turn, require the HC to call a time out--and that's what Singletary did!

As you correctly point out, its not like this team is full of experienced, saavy veteran leaders who can coach themselves out of trouble. The defensive leader, Willis, is in his first year feeling comfortable enough to wear the mike in his helmet and call defensive signals.

But rather than conceding the point, you claim that the HC made a BIG MISTAKE because he called a timeout at some time other than one that appears on your personal, limited, partial list of reasons why you believe a timeout should ever be called.

Make up your mind. Did Singletary do the right thing in helping his "young, under talented" team attempt to overcome their struggles, or did he make a BIG MISTAKE because he called a timeout at a time that's not on your little, personal list? Your posts seem inconsistent and illogical.

Proof positive that SHOUTING or POSTING IN ALL CAPS doesn't necessarily make your points logical or correct.

I sooooooo owe you a beer.

Seriously!



You made my day after a very difficult one. Yes, it is sad that I had to find enjoyment in the failure of a username called SanDiego49er in this laughable thread.

I am soooo happy now!

It is true what they say..."Happiness depends on point of view as well as the truth."

...the truth will set you free!




Let's not lose sight of what SanDiego's going through.

It seems obvious that the loss to Atlanta seriously disappointed him, perhaps even more than it did others of us.

He's blaming the coach for the loss--and he's not the only one to do so--although in the total depths of his complete frustration, it appears that he's willing to blame Singletary for just about anything, up to and including the War in Iraq.

To the extent that it's a measure of his devotion to the Niners as a fan, however, his venting on this board is somewhat admirable, even if, in my humble opinion, its also misguided.

Dude seriously cares about the Niners, but he's too angry and upset about the most recent loss to think entirely logically.

Hard to blame him for the former, hope he calms down and rethinks some of his positions as to the latter.
WoW! Why is this thread still going??























Singletary for President!!!!!

It has probably been said, but if Coffee paid attention to the game and got on the field when they needed him to instead of thinking they scored the TD then you're probably not complaining about his pep rally timeouts.
Originally posted by teeohh:
It has probably been said, but if Coffee paid attention to the game and got on the field when they needed him to instead of thinking they scored the TD then you're probably not complaining about his pep rally timeouts.

yup its been said, but sandiego blames sing for that too
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by NineFourNiner:
Originally posted by 9erlover:
I've been a webzoner for a long time, but don't post much. But I will say this, this sandiego dude(ette) is a crybaby. Waaaa. The dude said at the beginning of the year we'd be 1-15. Now we're 3-2, and somehow the coach sucks. Where's the logic? I guess that says it all.

Hmmm. Good point.

While fans certainly may criticize and still be fans, I think that Tico's point is a good one: When a "fan" consistently stays silent when the team is winning (or worse, hopes for failure in the face of victory) and b***hes when it is losing, how can that person be a fan?


Now, THERE'S a f*cking question Niner fans! Let's see how long we wait to get a response, AND what kinda f*cked-up logic comes with it.

I re-posted the above question in bold yesterday, and still no replies.

But anyway, this thread brings two things to mind:

- The old cliche, "Opened a can of worms"

- Super Chicken's famous quote, "You knew the job was dangerous when you took it".


This thread delivers.



[ Edited by ObePwnD on Oct 23, 2009 at 9:06 AM ]