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Crabtree to start Sunday?

Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
I don't think Hill can force a ball to do anything.

Weird cuz, last time I checked he's what winning 2/3's of his games as an NFL starter, weird, maybe I missed something.



Coulda' sworn it was it the defense that's gotten him those victories.

He still throws 60 plus percent, he's lost one home game (as bad of a game he had the defense sucked just as bad vs HOTlanta). Shaun Hill is a decent QB, he's not Joe Montana, as much as I miss havin' that HOF QB under center, I'm more than happy with Shaun, especially after Ken Dorsey, Alex Smith, and JTO.
He will probably be the primary read on about a half dozen pass plays. Probably short passes. Depends alot how the line blocks.

I would personally like to see Gore catching out of the backfield..........get him into some open space early.


I think the only one the ball will be "forced" to, is Gore.

This offense is not going to completely change, simply because Crabtree is on the field. He will most likely see limited balls thrown his way.

The offense has shown to have a hard time continuing to find Davis, when he is playing well. Until the playcalling changes, this will remain a running team that depends on the defense to win the game.

Hopefully, Crabtree can make some plays with the balls that are thrown his way, and the offense will open up a bit. Hopefully...
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Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
I don't think Hill can force a ball to do anything.

Weird cuz, last time I checked he's what winning 2/3's of his games as an NFL starter, weird, maybe I missed something.



Coulda' sworn it was it the defense that's gotten him those victories.

He still throws 60 plus percent, he's lost one home game (as bad of a game he had the defense sucked just as bad vs HOTlanta). Shaun Hill is a decent QB, he's not Joe Montana, as much as I miss havin' that HOF QB under center, I'm more than happy with Shaun, especially after Ken Dorsey, Alex Smith, and JTO.

Hill isn't an acceptable starter just because he followed Dorsey, Smith, and O'Sullivan. We should always be looking to improve. By the way, he's under 60% and is actually among the league's worst in completion percentage. As a matter of fact, he's among the league's worst in almost all categories.
I would like to go on record as saying starting Crabtree right away is a poor poor choice from Coach Mike in light of what he has built this team to be since 1/2 thru last season. He has been about accountability and earning your right to start on Sundays, both of which Crabtree has not. I think this decision could undermine the Singletary plan and we could see our season unravel. I mean what exactly has Morgan done to lose his job to a rookie who's been in the building for 2 weeks? He's made some inexperience mistakes that won't happen again and that's about it.
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Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
I don't think Hill can force a ball to do anything.

Weird cuz, last time I checked he's what winning 2/3's of his games as an NFL starter, weird, maybe I missed something.



Coulda' sworn it was it the defense that's gotten him those victories.

He still throws 60 plus percent, he's lost one home game (as bad of a game he had the defense sucked just as bad vs HOTlanta). Shaun Hill is a decent QB, he's not Joe Montana, as much as I miss havin' that HOF QB under center, I'm more than happy with Shaun, especially after Ken Dorsey, Alex Smith, and JTO.

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week 1

9ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
12:36 2:11 SF 26 3 8 Punt
08:04 2:30 ARI 36 5 17 Field Goal
03:44 2:22 SF 44 5 24 Field Goal
14:03 3:39 SF 22 6 27 Punt
08:19 1:19 SF 27 3 9 Punt
05:26 3:03 SF 32 7 68 Touchdown
02:13 0:58 ARI 34 3 -10 Fumble
15:00 1:34 SF 20 3 4 Punt
10:29 2:08 SF 20 3 5 Punt
04:11 0:59 SF 18 3 -5 Punt
14:52 7:26 SF 20 15 80 Touchdown
05:31 2:20 SF 2 3 -1 Punt
01:51 1:08 SF 33 3 6 Punt

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week 2

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
13:45 8:07 SF 26 13 55 Field Goal
02:48 0:12 SF 21 1 79 Touchdown
01:26 1:37 SF 18 3 1 Punt
10:04 3:44 SF 20 7 35 Punt
05:06 2:09 SEA 43 5 18 Field Goal
00:22 0:22 SF 17 1 1 End of Half
15:00 0:11 SF 20 1 80 Touchdown
13:08 1:26 SF 26 3 8 Punt
07:31 5:01 SF 1 7 16 Punt
01:20 9:27 SF 12 16 67 Field Goal
05:38 0:27 SF 26 3 5 Punt
02:11 1:48 SF 18 3 8 Pu

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week 3

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
15:00 1:37 SF 23 3 -11 Punt
12:25 1:11 SF 22 3 9 Punt
08:38 1:38 SF 14 3 8 Punt
00:52 0:52 SF 8 3 5 Punt
13:09 3:43 SF 43 7 57 Touchdown
07:10 0:51 SF 38 2 -2 Interception
03:26 1:33 SF 30 4 14 Punt
12:22 2:01 SF 16 3 8 Punt
09:24 4:37 SF 39 8 42 Field Goal
04:34 2:28 SF 20 4 20 Punt
12:49 4:37 SF 20 6 80 Touchdown
05:47 2:21 SF 27 3 1 Punt
01:49 0:20 SF 47 3 6 Punt
00:02 0:02 SF 29 1 0 End of Game

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week 4

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
13:52 3:17 SF 34 6 17 Punt
05:13 2:47 SF 41 5 17 Punt
00:19 5:39 SF 42 9 33 Missed FG
08:13 2:46 SF 22 5 21 Punt
01:02 0:30 SF 20 3 0 Punt
15:00 2:22 SF 26 5 12 Punt
10:16 3:13 STL 48 7 48 Touchdown
03:45 0:57 SF 39 3 4 Punt
01:19 2:05 STL 43 5 43 Touchdown
08:26 4:48 SF 23 7 30 Punt
01:48 1:48 SF 30 3 1 End of Game

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week 5

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
13:56 1:26 SF 13 3 6 Interception
11:08 1:31 SF 20 3 1 Punt
06:32 2:23 SF 22 7 78 Touchdown
14:53 3:46 SF 38 9 41 Field Goal
09:40 1:18 ATL 33 3 -3 Punt
06:59 0:08 0 0 Fumble
05:40 0:54 SF 20 3 2 Punt
01:14 1:14 SF 20 5 18 End of Half
15:00 2:08 SF 17 6 53 Missed FG
05:50 0:59 SF 24 3 6 Punt
02:45 0:51 SF 35 3 5 Punt
08:20 6:27 SF 22 12 60 Downs
00:26 0:26 SF 20 3 17 End of Game


3 games with only 2 drives of 40 yards or more. His completion percentage is at 56%. With nearly 33% of his completions going to the RB's. He has 17 first downs on 47 passing attempts (36.2%). Yet he completed 32 passes on 3rd downs. So he has almost as many completions on 3rd down that doesn't result in a 1st than he does that results in a 1st down.

Tell me again how good he is.
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Originally posted by WINiner:
I would like to go on record as saying starting Crabtree right away is a poor poor choice from Coach Mike in light of what he has built this team to be since 1/2 thru last season. He has been about accountability and earning your right to start on Sundays, both of which Crabtree has not. I think this decision could undermine the Singletary plan and we could see our season unravel. I mean what exactly has Morgan done to lose his job to a rookie who's been in the building for 2 weeks? He's made some inexperience mistakes that won't happen again and that's about it.

Dropping a pass in which he was wide open (which happens), but then going to the sideline and blaming it on the fact that it came down "like a punt." What else? Slowing down on that big pass completion against the Falcons and getting caught from behind, resulting in a burned timeout. But I'd say the biggest reason is the guy runs lazy routes. I don't think Singletary wants two young guys at WR, especially with Vernon out there messing up his routes. Too high of a risk for disaster, so that's probably why he stuck with Bruce over Morgan as well. I think Morgan is better than Bruce at this point, and Bruce should be the 3rd WR, but we'll see how it turns out in Houston. It doesn't really matter who plays where or how much if the OL can't get their s**t together.
I hope they use Crabs as a decoy ALOT in the early going of this game, then feed him the ball more later on
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Originally posted by WINiner:
I would like to go on record as saying starting Crabtree right away is a poor poor choice from Coach Mike in light of what he has built this team to be since 1/2 thru last season. He has been about accountability and earning your right to start on Sundays, both of which Crabtree has not. I think this decision could undermine the Singletary plan and we could see our season unravel. I mean what exactly has Morgan done to lose his job to a rookie who's been in the building for 2 weeks? He's made some inexperience mistakes that won't happen again and that's about it.

Sends a message to the rest of the WR unit stating that you got beat out by a rookie that held out for over a quarter of the season.
Originally posted by Conejo:
I hope they use Crabs as a decoy ALOT in the early going of this game, then feed him the ball more later on
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by WINiner:
I would like to go on record as saying starting Crabtree right away is a poor poor choice from Coach Mike in light of what he has built this team to be since 1/2 thru last season. He has been about accountability and earning your right to start on Sundays, both of which Crabtree has not. I think this decision could undermine the Singletary plan and we could see our season unravel. I mean what exactly has Morgan done to lose his job to a rookie who's been in the building for 2 weeks? He's made some inexperience mistakes that won't happen again and that's about it.

Dropping a pass in which he was wide open (which happens), but then going to the sideline and blaming it on the fact that it came down "like a punt." What else? Slowing down on that big pass completion against the Falcons and getting caught from behind, resulting in a burned timeout. But I'd say the biggest reason is the guy runs lazy routes. I don't think Singletary wants two young guys at WR, especially with Vernon out there messing up his routes. Too high of a risk for disaster, so that's probably why he stuck with Bruce over Morgan as well. I think Morgan is better than Bruce at this point, and Bruce should be the 3rd WR, but we'll see how it turns out in Houston. It doesn't really matter who plays where or how much if the OL can't get their s**t together.

totally agree with the oline part but bruce shouldnt be aloud on the field at all unless there are injuries. battle can catch, block and run routes just as good if not better than bruce and he has more speed. Jason Hill is an even better option than battle but for some reason he's in the dog house. Crabtree should start opposite Hill or Battle. even brandon jones, where is this guy? he's been healthy for a couple games now
I think it was part of the Contract he signed....obviously some of those incentives are going to be hard to reach....so his agent probably told them that if he can prove in practice that he seems ready....he needs to start soon as possible just to have a "fair" opportunity to reach those incentives.......but if he struggles then all deals are off and he will get less playing time and would have to learn slowly and be eased in....for the team's sake.


sounds crazy, so it's probably not true.
[ Edited by Afrikan on Oct 20, 2009 at 9:12 PM ]
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
I don't think Hill can force a ball to do anything.

Weird cuz, last time I checked he's what winning 2/3's of his games as an NFL starter, weird, maybe I missed something.



Coulda' sworn it was it the defense that's gotten him those victories.

He still throws 60 plus percent, he's lost one home game (as bad of a game he had the defense sucked just as bad vs HOTlanta). Shaun Hill is a decent QB, he's not Joe Montana, as much as I miss havin' that HOF QB under center, I'm more than happy with Shaun, especially after Ken Dorsey, Alex Smith, and JTO.

Quote:
week 1

9ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
12:36 2:11 SF 26 3 8 Punt
08:04 2:30 ARI 36 5 17 Field Goal
03:44 2:22 SF 44 5 24 Field Goal
14:03 3:39 SF 22 6 27 Punt
08:19 1:19 SF 27 3 9 Punt
05:26 3:03 SF 32 7 68 Touchdown
02:13 0:58 ARI 34 3 -10 Fumble
15:00 1:34 SF 20 3 4 Punt
10:29 2:08 SF 20 3 5 Punt
04:11 0:59 SF 18 3 -5 Punt
14:52 7:26 SF 20 15 80 Touchdown
05:31 2:20 SF 2 3 -1 Punt
01:51 1:08 SF 33 3 6 Punt

Quote:
week 2

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
13:45 8:07 SF 26 13 55 Field Goal
02:48 0:12 SF 21 1 79 Touchdown
01:26 1:37 SF 18 3 1 Punt
10:04 3:44 SF 20 7 35 Punt
05:06 2:09 SEA 43 5 18 Field Goal
00:22 0:22 SF 17 1 1 End of Half
15:00 0:11 SF 20 1 80 Touchdown
13:08 1:26 SF 26 3 8 Punt
07:31 5:01 SF 1 7 16 Punt
01:20 9:27 SF 12 16 67 Field Goal
05:38 0:27 SF 26 3 5 Punt
02:11 1:48 SF 18 3 8 Pu

Quote:
week 3

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
15:00 1:37 SF 23 3 -11 Punt
12:25 1:11 SF 22 3 9 Punt
08:38 1:38 SF 14 3 8 Punt
00:52 0:52 SF 8 3 5 Punt
13:09 3:43 SF 43 7 57 Touchdown
07:10 0:51 SF 38 2 -2 Interception
03:26 1:33 SF 30 4 14 Punt
12:22 2:01 SF 16 3 8 Punt
09:24 4:37 SF 39 8 42 Field Goal
04:34 2:28 SF 20 4 20 Punt
12:49 4:37 SF 20 6 80 Touchdown
05:47 2:21 SF 27 3 1 Punt
01:49 0:20 SF 47 3 6 Punt
00:02 0:02 SF 29 1 0 End of Game

Quote:
week 4

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
13:52 3:17 SF 34 6 17 Punt
05:13 2:47 SF 41 5 17 Punt
00:19 5:39 SF 42 9 33 Missed FG
08:13 2:46 SF 22 5 21 Punt
01:02 0:30 SF 20 3 0 Punt
15:00 2:22 SF 26 5 12 Punt
10:16 3:13 STL 48 7 48 Touchdown
03:45 0:57 SF 39 3 4 Punt
01:19 2:05 STL 43 5 43 Touchdown
08:26 4:48 SF 23 7 30 Punt
01:48 1:48 SF 30 3 1 End of Game

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week 5

49ers Drive Chart
Start
Time Time
Poss Drive
Began # of
Plays Yards
Gained Result
13:56 1:26 SF 13 3 6 Interception
11:08 1:31 SF 20 3 1 Punt
06:32 2:23 SF 22 7 78 Touchdown
14:53 3:46 SF 38 9 41 Field Goal
09:40 1:18 ATL 33 3 -3 Punt
06:59 0:08 0 0 Fumble
05:40 0:54 SF 20 3 2 Punt
01:14 1:14 SF 20 5 18 End of Half
15:00 2:08 SF 17 6 53 Missed FG
05:50 0:59 SF 24 3 6 Punt
02:45 0:51 SF 35 3 5 Punt
08:20 6:27 SF 22 12 60 Downs
00:26 0:26 SF 20 3 17 End of Game


3 games with only 2 drives of 40 yards or more. His completion percentage is at 56%. With nearly 33% of his completions going to the RB's. He has 17 first downs on 47 passing attempts (36.2%). Yet he completed 32 passes on 3rd downs. So he has almost as many completions on 3rd down that doesn't result in a 1st than he does that results in a 1st down.

Tell me again how good he is.

Does he block for himself? Or is that the O-line's job. Hill's had one bad game this season, funny cuz that same game the O-line sucked, the defense sucked, the special teams sucked, everybody but Patrick Willis sucked, so let's go bench Nate, Joe Staley, Heitmann, Franklin, Bly just everybody, but Patrick. If anyone thinks the QB is the problem I really feel sorry for you. I mean hell we don't win that first game let alone get within a Favring of winning against a team thats now 6-0 without Hill. I mean that game in Zona the O-line had what 2 drives all game. The long pass to Bruce set up Gore's first TD, and then at the end the O-line woke up and Hill who had played fine all game (couldn't tell from Dockett slamming into Arizona's fake grass could you?) drove us down the field and we won the game. Hell seriously just like Hill the defense had one bad game so let's really bench everybody on the team but P-52, whoever wants to send the memo to Coach Mike do so.
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by B650:
I don't think Hill can force a ball to do anything.

Weird cuz, last time I checked he's what winning 2/3's of his games as an NFL starter, weird, maybe I missed something.



Coulda' sworn it was it the defense that's gotten him those victories.

He still throws 60 plus percent, he's lost one home game (as bad of a game he had the defense sucked just as bad vs HOTlanta). Shaun Hill is a decent QB, he's not Joe Montana, as much as I miss havin' that HOF QB under center, I'm more than happy with Shaun, especially after Ken Dorsey, Alex Smith, and JTO.

Hill isn't an acceptable starter just because he followed Dorsey, Smith, and O'Sullivan. We should always be looking to improve. By the way, he's under 60% and is actually among the league's worst in completion percentage. As a matter of fact, he's among the league's worst in almost all categories.

Yeah after that 2-100 game, that was one game, for his career he's a decent enough completion wize. Course I'll take Shaun's game over Nate's so honestly it's one game chill out, we should and better win this next one, we'll be ok thankfully we got a good enough QB to be ok.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I hope we DO force the ball to Crabtree. Our other guys are garbage. It's worth forcing it.


How can you say this? Nobody has seen Crabs play one single snap in the NFL. Just because he looks good in practice, going against nobody, doesnt mean that he is our best receiver all of the sudden

He's already our best WR by default. The DIVA WR's are always the best WR's and this one already has a T.O. DIVA act down. That and he is being compared to a pile of trash (the other 49er WR's) which makes him the best one already.

unfortunately, I do agree. While I don't think our other WRs are TRASH (I am guessing you are just being facetious), we need to get the ball in MCs hands...

Here's hoping for WR screens, slants, and hitches...
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