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Alex Smith & Crabtree Chemistry

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Originally posted by WestCoast:
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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by WestCoast:
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Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by TexasNiner84:
I don't care what anybody says.... good chemistry is built on sundays..... they need to play some games together first

What!!! Chemistry is built in practice and it carries over into games. Especially with a QB and a WR. They need to be on the same page and the timing has to be down. This is why Payton Manning takes ALL of his WR's seperatly and throws with them one on one to get the timing down.

peyton manning is peyton manning...... lets not bring him in this....... these guys need to know how to win together, practice is overrated..... lol
Originally posted by TexasNiner84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by TexasNiner84:
I don't care what anybody says.... good chemistry is built on sundays..... they need to play some games together first

What!!! Chemistry is built in practice and it carries over into games. Especially with a QB and a WR. They need to be on the same page and the timing has to be down. This is why Payton Manning takes ALL of his WR's seperatly and throws with them one on one to get the timing down.

peyton manning is peyton manning...... lets not bring him in this....... these guys need to know how to win together, practice is overrated..... lol

Yea how dare I bring up a future HOF QB into this conversation. If anything all it does it prove my point.
Originally posted by boomer49er:
Originally posted by TexasNiner84:
I don't care what anybody says.... good chemistry is built on sundays..... they need to play some games together first

Just because you don't care what the people who are right say, doesn't make you right. Chemistry is build on the practice field with hundreds and thousdands of reps.

Also, for those of you who think Hill has a couple of weeks before Sing will pull him, he doesn't. He's not safe for this whole game unless he gets his job done.

if the guy is great, he will shine, if he ain't, no big deal, he's a rookie...... but sing said... "he is ready" all that chemistry crap will come with time.... through games, but in sing's eyes, crabtree is ready to play.... i ain't trying to say i'm right,......... but we all saw what mark sanchez and braylon edwards did against the dolphins.......... five days after becoming a jet..........
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by TexasNiner84:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by TexasNiner84:
I don't care what anybody says.... good chemistry is built on sundays..... they need to play some games together first

What!!! Chemistry is built in practice and it carries over into games. Especially with a QB and a WR. They need to be on the same page and the timing has to be down. This is why Payton Manning takes ALL of his WR's seperatly and throws with them one on one to get the timing down.

peyton manning is peyton manning...... lets not bring him in this....... these guys need to know how to win together, practice is overrated..... lol

Yea how dare I bring up a future HOF QB into this conversation. If anything all it does it prove my point.

i'm just trying to say...... we ain't got no peyton manning on our team.... thats all
Originally posted by mississippi_sam:
Alex Smith stayed in town during the bye week to work with Crabtree. Does this establish some chemistry between the two? Does this help Smith's chances of getting some action this season? Does this build some chemistry between the two palyers?

I think it may. And getting away from the subject a tad, It shows that Alex wants to be there for sure. I'm just sayin that if the offense continues to stink it up with Gore back in the lineup, that Smith should get a shot to start at some point down the line this season.

It dont matter who the qb is... the line sucks right now!!
Originally posted by susweel:
Chemistry is not made in a week.

And it's not made with a QB just throwing passes to a receiver without defenders.
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by susweel:
Chemistry is not made in a week.

And it's not made with a QB just throwing passes to a receiver without defenders.

Yea. It's made on the field when a QB throws a pass to a WR.

Which doesn't happen on this team.
You know what's funny about all this talk? As soon as a guy has a little success everybody is on his nutts claiming he's the reincarnation of some great player. I personally have no doubt that if Alex had gone to Green Bay and learned, watched from Brett F, like A. Rodgers has done that Alex would be doing very good right now. He has had little or no talent around him. Hell, he has had little to NO pass protection since he started as a rookie. NO QB would be a stud with this talent we have had over the last 4-5 years. We are just now starting to get some talent.

Other than Gore, who have we had. VD? He couldn't catch a brick last year, Old man Bruce? Morgan who is a 2nd or 3rd stringer on most teams?

Last year he was hurt. Give the kid a break. If he played for a team like Denver that can pass protect he would be looking like Orton looks right now. I mean, Orton was in and out of the O in Chicago but man, he sure looks good with the Denver O-Line and skill players there. I think Alex would be good in the right system and so far in SF we have had crap for a system. Well, it's been a new system each year for the last 5.

I know these so called NO it all Reporters, Sports people claim this and that but have they evaluated what Alex has had on this team? I don't think so.
Originally posted by brhokla:
You know what's funny about all this talk? As soon as a guy has a little success everybody is on his nutts claiming he's the reincarnation of some great player. I personally have no doubt that if Alex had gone to Green Bay and learned, watched from Brett F, like A. Rodgers has done that Alex would be doing very good right now. He has had little or no talent around him. Hell, he has had little to NO pass protection since he started as a rookie. NO QB would be a stud with this talent we have had over the last 4-5 years. We are just now starting to get some talent.

Other than Gore, who have we had. VD? He couldn't catch a brick last year, Old man Bruce? Morgan who is a 2nd or 3rd stringer on most teams?

Last year he was hurt. Give the kid a break. If he played for a team like Denver that can pass protect he would be looking like Orton looks right now. I mean, Orton was in and out of the O in Chicago but man, he sure looks good with the Denver O-Line and skill players there. I think Alex would be good in the right system and so far in SF we have had crap for a system. Well, it's been a new system each year for the last 5.

I know these so called NO it all Reporters, Sports people claim this and that but have they evaluated what Alex has had on this team? I don't think so.

See reply 101 on page 7. This is addressed. Here: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/thread.php?num=131804&page=7
I heard they buttsecked each other on the first date.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by SybErkRimInAL:
I have no doubt smith can make throws on a practice field, with no real pass rush. It's the way he panics when the pocket breaks down that makes him suck. Also, his slow ass release.

He panics? Really? Syber I can show you several games where he didn't panic. He kept drives alive with his feet. And shoot man, if he did panic as you suggest he did, then can you REALLY blame him? Especially after fat @$$ Rocky Bernard came in free an unblocked and did an impression of Jimmy SuperFly Snuka? Not a very good impression but it still put Alex out.

You'd panic too when a 325 lb. guy plants you in the turf. And comparing the two Alex MAY have a slow release (I do believe that he worked on this, but...) , it still will get there faster than ANY lame duck pass that Hill throws. Shoot I think Smith would have time to go to the sideline get a Starbuck's Venti Caramel Mochiato, and throw the ball. Just beating Hill's wounded duck pass.

~Ceadder

Yeah, I don't know. I always thought Smith actually did pretty well under pressure. Through 06 and the start of 07, he had Glass Jennings and Kwame Harris at OT for him with Patrick Estes and Snyder as backups. Larry Allen also was out for six games in 06, which if you don't remember, is why we HAD to use Estes at LT when Jennings got hurt. Another note: In the games Alex started playing hurt in 2007, Jennings had just been lost for the season in the prior game. Yikes. Torn shoulder + No OL as well.

Then looking at his weapons again: Gilmore, Bryant, Taylor Jacobs, Brandon Williams, and Battle -- Wow. It's amazing he was able to do ANYTHING. Then consider 07, he didn't even have Bryant anymore, nor did he have him late in 06 after he got suspended.

Our defense? Sammy Davis? Brandon Moore? Melvin Oliver? Roman? B.J Tucker? Chad Williams? T.J. Slaughter? Holy crap. How did we even win 7 games?! It's remarkable.

This really deserves it's own post, but it'd simply be locked and it wouldn't matter because it has already been discussed -- and ignored.

Anyone that tries to claim the team Hill is currently playing on is comparable in ANY way, shape, or form to Alex's teams.. They're completely wrong. Alex wouldn't be defended if there was no valid reasoning. Simple reasoning such as stated above is an enormous part of why there is such strong belief that Alex could succeed after managing to accomplish seemingly a spectacular feat, considering what he had to work with when one truly looks at it all, from offense to defense to coaching.

Fans are just unreal to themselves if they can't see Shaun Hill has LIMITED POTENTIAL...PERIOD. Alex on the other hand can atleast prove us something,he can go in with the weapons we have which he's never had anywhere near what he worked with in the past. He's more mobile so hell have a better chance to avoid sacks. He's wiser,stronger&has a stronger arm. He needs to get a nod with a winning record like this so we can see if he can lead us to the playoffs,the worst that can come out of it is WE KNOW FOR A FACT he couldn't complete the task&have all talks end.
This is funny I had to post. AS of an article I read today, One of the trainers who used to be a QB is now throwing to CTree till Hill gets back. Of course he's back now. So right, there was such fabulous chemistry they took Smith off the job and gave it to a trainer who used to be a QB to throw to him.

Imagine if you are Smith and even, tossing the ball to the new guy is taken away because, They don't the WR to get bad habits from catching Smith's balls!!!!!!!!! That's wot I think.. sad, but so true.

I am not definitely saying Hill is the man of the hour, but Smith's talent level is so low, it makes Hill the starter by default. Just ger Davis in I say. If Sanchez, Stafford, Ryan ( the qb who kicked our ass) and Flacco can do it, then Davis can too. Open your eyes, not everyone comes to the NFL from a trick offense without presence.. oh what's the use, it's all been said before..

Bust, he is, bust he is.

Ok then if you don't believe me, there was a great interview MM did with the guy who studies all the NFL game film and then comments for the NFL, this was a few days ago, and to my mind this is THE most scathing review of A Smith's abilities I have EVER read. To wit:

MM:
I know you haven't seen him play in two years, but is there where Alex Smith, because of his arm strength and the better physical tools, might be the better option at quarterback?

Cosell:
"Well, I don't think Alex Smith has particularly good physical tools. Certainly, we know Shaun Hill has an average to below-average NFL arm. You're right, we haven't seen Alex Smith throw in two years, but the last time we did see him throw and even when he came out (of college), I'd say Alex Smith's arm strength was slightly better than average - nothing more. I'm always leery - I know he's a smart kid - but I don't know how much he's learned. I'm not there. When you play in the Urban Meyer offense, and I can tell you for a fact, that when Alex Smith went through his board work for teams coming out of the draft that he had zero clue about NFL route combination's, which is not surprising. Because in Urban Meyer's offense, nobody does. I'm not a big Alex Smith guy. I think he has limited skills and I think he's got limited understanding."

You guys should really.......... GET OVER HIM!!!
I digress..

GO NINERS BEAT THE TAXASSES!!
[ Edited by Bali-Niner on Oct 20, 2009 at 4:42 AM ]