Originally posted by BirdmanJr:
Originally posted by obx49:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Blitz:
He's right with his analysis, IMHO. You say some can make the throws: Well, Hill can't make all the throws. He simply does not have the abiltity to make all the throws. Now you throw in an o-line playing like s**t, and you have just cut your already handicapped QB (because he can't make all the throws even under the best of circumstances) down to nothing. Hill takes a large support cast, there is no doubt about that. So, the root of the problem is the o-line, both run blocking and pass protection, followed by having a QB who can't make all the throws that a top notch QB usually can, even when not pressured.
I agree with a lot of what you are saying but it appears we, as fans, tend to only look at the most recent events with players. What we don't do is look at the bigger picture or even history. In the case of Hill, Hill DID make all the throws necessary in a Martz system that was designed to go down field early and often. Last year, Hill made ALL of the throws in tight windows and with confidence. He was allowed to get into a rhythm and his confidence to throw grew with each game, as did his confidence in his WR's and offense as a whole.
This year, I see zero adjustments by Raye, a you-can't-throw and don't-lose-the-ball attitude now forced on Hill, WR's and the QB are not even mentioned in the keys to winning according to Singletary and Raye and yet, with the minimal chances Hill and this ENTIRE offense has had to grow and develop, self-inflicted, it's amazing to me we've been able to do anything at all. Our 3rd down %'s are a direct result of poor, conservative play-calling and an inability of an OC and coach to adjust to defenses and play to a team's strength and supported by a HC's philosophy to play scared and close to the vest.
But I digress and repeat myself again; Hill CAN make the throws as evidenced last year in a system that fit him and this offense much better, even if it was pulled back by Singletary who, as evidenced even more, fired Martz b/c he couldn't (or wouldn't) be even more vanilla on offense. It was a "philosophical difference."
We are seeing the results right now of this philosophy and out-dated offensive game-plan but the QB is NOT to blame here, nor is the offensive line or the WR's or the TE's or the RB's nor are the fans. Players are NOT put in position to be successful.
It ALL starts with philosophy (at the top) and filters down to the field.
Case closed, argument over. Great Post!
I call BS man. The philosophy is a sound philosophy. It's been used successfully year in and year out for decades.
I also call BS on the offensive line not taking any blame. I really don't even have to explain that one, anybody who has watched can see it. But I will...They suck. they suck bad. We haven't had a decent line since Allen back with Norv. Even then it was mediocre. Since then, the personnel on the line has changed, and the line has worsened. So before you get into this "same personnel different coaches" schpiel...consider that they sucked with Hostler, they sucked with Martz and now they suck with Raye. Why the f**k is that? Because this line is not the same line that Norv had...it is a completely different line...and apart from Staley and Heitman, they are sucking it up big time. So don't waste your time with me about "how they did better" last year under Martz because the truth is they sucked last year too.
Holy f**king Christ, I get tired of people playing revisionist history with the facts about this line and how they have performed over the last years, all in effort to try and prove their b***h about something else entirely. (Raye, Sing etc.)
Now, as far as your top down theory, I call BS on that as well. It's about personal accountability, whether the f**k it's top down or bottom up. Take your pick how you want to skin that cat, top down or bottom up...it doesn't make two s**ts because either way it's still going to boil down to personal accountability with each individual, no matter which path is chosen. Your either a pro or your not. f**ked up philosophy or good philosophy....you man the f**k up and be a pro and execute. WTF...it's the f**kin' NFL, not some damn pop warner league.