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Peter King says Jerry Rice is not the best WR in history

He is an idiot.
I really don't care, but do have a comment on this twitter thing...

It is so awesome that people invented a way to provide a way to hear every stupid thought that it takes a few seconds to type out. Now we can actually read what normally you would wonder "what is the point?" if someone said it.
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King is an idiot. Plus, you can't compare them in the first place. I don't think Hutson could have played in Jerry's time.
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Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
Originally posted by NinerGM:
Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
Originally posted by Winners:
Via his twitter page tonight:

Respect all opinions to the contrary. Rice's impact on game cannot be understated. Hutson gets my vote as best receiver ever.

What a lame ass.

http://twitter.com/Si_peterking

It is true that Rice was the most prolific receiver ever, but Hutson's accomplishments make him a worthy competitor to Rice for the "All-time greatest WR" title in the same way a Sammy Baugh or Otto Graham can be proposed as the greatest all-time QB.

Their stats stand up in any era, but they were accomplished under different rules and at a time when more run-oriented systems/philosophies were employed.

Read up on Hutson and you will be impressed. The guy was an amazing talent. You may even change your tune.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Hutson

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PLAYER_ID=104

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=HutsoDon01

Agreed. There are grounds for the argument, I just don't agree with the logic. Given what Hutson did in that era is amazing - but again, I think Jerry can play in any era and Hutson would struggle in this era given the speed and athleticism of today's athlete.

Human physiology hasn't changed in the last 75 years. The difference is the improved sciences of physical training and nutrition.

If Hutson played today he would have the same immense talent to go along with modern training and nutritional regimens.

The competition level would even out some because everybody has to work towards peak performance to stay in the league, but I think he would still be one of the greats.

Top notch post and well said on all counts.
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Originally posted by SanFranAddic:


The competition level would even out some because everybody has to work towards peak performance to stay in the league, but I think he would still be one of the greats.

The competition level is the main knock against Hutson.

Hutson's best years came during World War II, when hundreds of players were drafted and fighting overseas. Hutson wasn't drafted, though, and neither was the Packers' star passer Cecil Isbell. (In fact, the Packers had the fewest players drafted of any team in the league). The Packers were able to feast against a greatly weakened field of competition, and were able to implement a high-flying pass attack that none of the other teams in the league had the talent to implement or defend against.

If you look at receiving stats right after the war ended, you'll see other players like Jim Benton immediately start putting up Hutson-like numbers.
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Originally posted by kidash:
lol @ homers in here...

One man's opinion differ from yours and automatically, he's a moron...

damn....

*NOTE: This is not to say I agree with P. King but seriously, the man has a good argument*

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The guy changes his opinion ever week to accommodate his surroundings. Anyone can do that.
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by kidash:
lol @ homers in here...

One man's opinion differ from yours and automatically, he's a moron...

damn....

*NOTE: This is not to say I agree with P. King but seriously, the man has a good argument*

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The guy changes his opinion ever week to accommodate his surroundings. Anyone can do that.

He's been constant in his argument about Hutson. He does not shy from saying that Rice is one of the best WR in history, it's just that Hutson is better in regards his accomplishments in the NFL (his view)... Again, he does have a good argument if you compare the two...

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Originally posted by kidash:
Originally posted by 9erfan4life:
Originally posted by kidash:
lol @ homers in here...

One man's opinion differ from yours and automatically, he's a moron...

damn....

*NOTE: This is not to say I agree with P. King but seriously, the man has a good argument*

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The guy changes his opinion ever week to accommodate his surroundings. Anyone can do that.

He's been constant in his argument about Hutson. He does not shy from saying that Rice is one of the best WR in history, it's just that Hutson is better in regards his accomplishments in the NFL (his view)... Again, he does have a good argument if you compare the two...

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I would agree with him if he applied the logic consistently.

But he doesn't. The guy picks his favorites, and does his best to hate the Niners...due in large part to the fact that they were THE story when he was coming up in the biz.

I don't hate him for it, but his bias is pretty obvious.
Originally posted by Vendark:
Originally posted by SanFranAddic:


The competition level would even out some because everybody has to work towards peak performance to stay in the league, but I think he would still be one of the greats.

The competition level is the main knock against Hutson.

Hutson's best years came during World War II, when hundreds of players were drafted and fighting overseas. Hutson wasn't drafted, though, and neither was the Packers' star passer Cecil Isbell. (In fact, the Packers had the fewest players drafted of any team in the league). The Packers were able to feast against a greatly weakened field of competition, and were able to implement a high-flying pass attack that none of the other teams in the league had the talent to implement or defend against.

If you look at receiving stats right after the war ended, you'll see other players like Jim Benton immediately start putting up Hutson-like numbers.



Very good points.

The winner and still champ, Jerry Rice!


In the 1952 Olympics (nearly a decade after Hutson retired), the gold medal winner ran a 10.4. I don't think that would even qualify you for the Olympic team these days. The High School record for the 100M is 10.01.

Does that mean I'm trying to say that speed means everything? Of course not. But what I am saying is that in EVERY quantifiable athletic measure in which the variables are minimal...people have gotten A LOT better over the last 50-60 years. Not a little...a LOT.

It's an absolutely ridiculous argument.

[ Edited by LA9erFan on Oct 5, 2009 at 11:50:38 ]
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If Jerry Rice played in the Don Hutson era he would have scored 100 TD in one season.

Same goes for Barry Sanders.

THE END
Most of players in the 40s, 50s, 60s are just not as good as the player in 80s, 90s, 00s.

players today are just so much more athletic.
Originally posted by djfullshred:
I really don't care, but do have a comment on this twitter thing...

It is so awesome that people invented a way to provide a way to hear every stupid thought that it takes a few seconds to type out. Now we can actually read what normally you would wonder "what is the point?" if someone said it.



Indeed, when will the pointlessness cease?
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Originally posted by horsecore:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
I really don't care, but do have a comment on this twitter thing...

It is so awesome that people invented a way to provide a way to hear every stupid thought that it takes a few seconds to type out. Now we can actually read what normally you would wonder "what is the point?" if someone said it.



Indeed, when will the pointlessness cease?

what are you guys talking about niner talks been around for years
I wish I could find this in print, but does anyone remember ESPN's SportsCentury special on Jerry Rice? In the program, Chris Berman is quoting Don Hutson, from an interview given around 1987/1988, saying something along the lines of how he figured that when it was all said he done, he felt that Jerry Rice would have all of the records. Although Huston didn't exactly say that Rice was the best ever, even he probably would've said that Rice would be number 1 by the end of his career. And that was from watching the first 3-4 years of Jerry's career. Who cares what Peter King thinks?
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