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As the season starts, a second look at our offseason

Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I've been saying all along that this may go down as one of the worst off-season's ever Anytime you don't address a single need (RB & WR were not need positions) and don't add one starter from the draft to a 7-9 team that was lucky to be 7-9, that's a very poor draft. The rest of the off-season was just as bad.

I'm still baffled at the fact that the front office didn't make any improvements to this teams pass rush. It's just amazing.

I was 99% sure we would take Everette Brown in the 2nd round. oh well
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I've been saying all along that this may go down as one of the worst off-season's ever Anytime you don't address a single need (RB & WR were not need positions) and don't add one starter from the draft to a 7-9 team that was lucky to be 7-9, that's a very poor draft. The rest of the off-season was just as bad.

I'm still baffled at the fact that the front office didn't make any improvements to this teams pass rush. It's just amazing.

Iam really unhappy with Scotty he did really good his first two years improving the team and since then its been
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I've been saying all along that this may go down as one of the worst off-season's ever Anytime you don't address a single need (RB & WR were not need positions) and don't add one starter from the draft to a 7-9 team that was lucky to be 7-9, that's a very poor draft. The rest of the off-season was just as bad.

I'm still baffled at the fact that the front office didn't make any improvements to this teams pass rush. It's just amazing.

I was 99% sure we would take Everette Brown in the 2nd round. oh well

I was too! The Niner brass said that they felt Brown was "too small", but yet the sign Briggs who is smaller than Brown. Go figure.
Originally posted by DarthNiner:
Originally posted by Kalen49ers:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, I've been saying all along that this may go down as one of the worst off-season's ever Anytime you don't address a single need (RB & WR were not need positions) and don't add one starter from the draft to a 7-9 team that was lucky to be 7-9, that's a very poor draft. The rest of the off-season was just as bad.

I'm still baffled at the fact that the front office didn't make any improvements to this teams pass rush. It's just amazing.

I was 99% sure we would take Everette Brown in the 2nd round. oh well

I was too! The Niner brass said that they felt Brown was "too small", but yet the sign Briggs who is smaller than Brown. Go figure.

Jeez it would seem as if Nolan is still here with the contradiction
I am a bit amused by those who say that RB wasn't an area were we needed to invest. The truth is...the Niner brass lived in fear of a significant injury to Frank Gore and what would be the impact to the team. Getting an NF L ready running back in Coffee who had a great preseason is the apparent solution. This isn't just insurance, this is a significant 2nd team rotation player for this season when we didn't have one last year in Foster.
R.B. was a major concern with this roster anyone who was happy with our future backs as robinson and clayton were just dreaming. Our wrs have been pathetic since T.O. left. These areas needed to be addressed. Yes we needed to address the passrush and I was also disapointed they passed on brown, but who knows maybe they were thinking peppers or some one else would be available. We could have ended up with Arakpo and Brown still got Coffeee and would have had an awsome draft on paper!

[ Edited by Izyniner on Sep 7, 2009 at 10:59:06 ]
Originally posted by BrodieWins:
I am a bit amused by those who say that RB wasn't an area were we needed to invest. The truth is...the Niner brass lived in fear of a significant injury to Frank Gore and what would be the impact to the team. Getting an NF L ready running back in Coffee who had a great preseason is the apparent solution. This isn't just insurance, this is a significant 2nd team rotation player for this season when we didn't have one last year in Foster.

It's not that it wasn't an area of need at all (unfortunately we have many), but it was among the least critical. Having that second back be at a higher level than what we had last year is nice, but a bit of a luxury compared to our other needs.

If there was one area of the team we could have not addressed (as long as we addressed our more pressing needs), it was RB. To have it be the ONLY area we upgraded seems absurd given our needs.

There were plenty of later round backs (hell even Sheets might have done the job) or FA's who would have been fine secondary RBs at least for a year if we had to sacrifice that upgrade for a pass rush, or an upgrade at QB, S, RT or WR.

You can only run the ball so much without at least the threat of a passing game, and we don't have a line good enough at pass protection, an elite QB or playmakers in the passing game, so it will be very hard for us to keep teams honest.
Ughhh, you guys need to get a hold of yourselves.

The way I see it, Sing and the staff want to give a majority 40% of the roster one last chance to see what they can do under another coach/developmental strategy. -Thus the reason Sing exemplified the "I'd like to see what we can do with the guys we have" quotes which were repeated in verbatim after FA had ended.

We're on the eve of a huge/talented draft with 2 1st round picks, and a 2010 FA full of tons of quality players that will either opt out of resigning, or teams will let them go because they don't want to resign/pay them (or gamble with the cap-less year once it rolls over into a new labor contract).

This 2009 draft WAS A WASH, most of the guys that went past the first round were role players (don't give me that "we should've drafted so-and-so crap in the 2nd round), and so was FA, all the big names you guys would've wanted either got resigned by their respective teams (as predicted), or were given outlandish 'over-the-top' offers to sign by PRE-ESTABLISHED TEAMS!

This has been a really mediocre off-season all around for 70% of the NFL, so bank on Sing/Scot shaking things up and maybe even cutting/re-building after the observations/results of 2009.

-I'm not being a homer, but I've watched the NFL for 20 years now, every year it's the same over-hyped/disenchanted expectations and over-reactive emotions.

SO if things don't improve/engorge for us (talent/position-wise) after April 2010, then I'd start getting out the torches and angry mob gangs.
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Originally posted by BrodieWins:
I am a bit amused by those who say that RB wasn't an area were we needed to invest. The truth is...the Niner brass lived in fear of a significant injury to Frank Gore and what would be the impact to the team. Getting an NF L ready running back in Coffee who had a great preseason is the apparent solution. This isn't just insurance, this is a significant 2nd team rotation player for this season when we didn't have one last year in Foster.

It's not that it wasn't an area of need at all (unfortunately we have many), but it was among the least critical. Having that second back be at a higher level than what we had last year is nice, but a bit of a luxury compared to our other needs.

If there was one area of the team we could have not addressed (as long as we addressed our more pressing needs), it was RB. To have it be the ONLY area we upgraded seems absurd given our needs.

There were plenty of later round backs (hell even Sheets might have done the job) or FA's who would have been fine secondary RBs at least for a year if we had to sacrifice that upgrade for a pass rush, or an upgrade at QB, S, RT or WR.

You can only run the ball so much without at least the threat of a passing game, and we don't have a line good enough at pass protection, an elite QB or playmakers in the passing game, so it will be very hard for us to keep teams honest.


kinda like the threat of passing the ball that the vikings had last yr.

The fact that the offense sputtered when gore was not in the game made it important. and if i remember correctly nobody is beating sheets door down right now for a reason.... now i dont know what this season is going to be like but i do like what i saw from the offense. defense if nother story. but i basically believe that Vern is going to be the key to this to this season.
Originally posted by SF4EVA:
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Originally posted by BrodieWins:
I am a bit amused by those who say that RB wasn't an area were we needed to invest. The truth is...the Niner brass lived in fear of a significant injury to Frank Gore and what would be the impact to the team. Getting an NF L ready running back in Coffee who had a great preseason is the apparent solution. This isn't just insurance, this is a significant 2nd team rotation player for this season when we didn't have one last year in Foster.

It's not that it wasn't an area of need at all (unfortunately we have many), but it was among the least critical. Having that second back be at a higher level than what we had last year is nice, but a bit of a luxury compared to our other needs.

If there was one area of the team we could have not addressed (as long as we addressed our more pressing needs), it was RB. To have it be the ONLY area we upgraded seems absurd given our needs.

There were plenty of later round backs (hell even Sheets might have done the job) or FA's who would have been fine secondary RBs at least for a year if we had to sacrifice that upgrade for a pass rush, or an upgrade at QB, S, RT or WR.

You can only run the ball so much without at least the threat of a passing game, and we don't have a line good enough at pass protection, an elite QB or playmakers in the passing game, so it will be very hard for us to keep teams honest.


kinda like the threat of passing the ball that the vikings had last yr.

The fact that the offense sputtered when gore was not in the game made it important. and if i remember correctly nobody is beating sheets door down right now for a reason.... now i dont know what this season is going to be like but i do like what i saw from the offense. defense if nother story. but i basically believe that Vern is going to be the key to this to this season.

I certainly hope that's not true. I expect some improvement form him, but if VD is the key to our season, we are in trouble. No matter how good our running game its (and it's not close to the Vikes, even if it's VERY good, our line isn't nearly that good and we don't have AP, sorry but Gore isn't quite that kind of playmaker), we can't win games on that one thing alone.

Without the ability to convert on 3rd and medium or long, or the ability to stop other teams from doing it, we will struggle this year, just as we have in year's past.

And the reason we can't convert or stop 3rd downs is a lack of talent at QB, pass protection, and playmakers on O and S and pass rush on D.

You can't continue to ignore those aspects of the team, no matter what other areas you improve and expect to win many games.
Dre' Bly may end up being an upgrade at the corner. But is that as much luck as it is skillful dealing on McCloughan's part?

This draft class appears to be much stronger than any previous McCloughan/Nolan draft, so we have to give some credit there. However, the failure to address OT/NT/Passrush is inexcusable.

Huard was a good signing and is gone only because a) Alex has fully recovered from his injury and b) Davis exceeded expectations. I question if Alex is actually superior to Huard, but Alex did do well in the "Turner" offense. I'll call it a wash.

The Marvel Smith signing was indeed a bust. It was worth a shot, but McCloughan never should have put all his eggs in that basket.

I kept hoping we'd trade up for Oher after the Crabtree surprise, but no such luck. Of course we don't want to sacrifice the future for temporary gain, but trading up for Oher would have benefited us now AND for many years to come.

[ Edited by SanFranAddic on Sep 7, 2009 at 12:59:55 ]
Some of you need to find a different hobby.

Come Sunday... I will erase all the BS I read on here and expect my Niners to win!

The best thing about 49erwebzone is the up-to-the-second news information.

I believe Coach Sing will bring the best out of the players we have and I would take ALL of the coaching staff over 99% of the members on this site.

There are really some great contributors here... but mostly just BSers.
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Summed it up pefectly


Rams>49ers we will finish last in the division

wow...what a thought, what would happen then? McCloughan would have to be fired.
63 days ago, the lites went out for me when i checked into the UCSD med center. Now after back surgeries 7,8, and 9, and 5 days in, 2 days out, 3 days in,1 day out, and then 45 days in, the 49ers look no different than at the end of last yr...and that is discouraging. LIke TEXASniner said, we are the same team.

Still have a coach who can get us to 9-7, but no more,

still have a #1 pick TE who has yet to prove he was worth the pick,

still have avg QB, with a wasted #1 pick in the draft waiting in the wings

still have a D that couldn't stop the Chargers 2nd and 3rd string,

still have an OL who couldn't block the Chargers 2nd string,

oh, and worst , we still have the only unsigned first rd draft pick in nfl.


Only thing i do see is a better caliber OL with Marvel gone, Sims demoted, and a good 2 yr signing for OL yesterday. Tip of the hat to the 9ers for that.


Man is it ever great to rejoin the world of the living. And yes, in the last 3 days, i read everything posted from the last month. Thanks to all. Unfortunately Texasniner lasered in on our team: we are exactly the team we had out there last yr...and that isn't even close to being good enough. I have given up on scot and jed. Until yorks hire a real HOFO, this team is just treading water. Maybe 7-9, maybe 9-7. In reality , what does it matter. Mediocre is mediocre, and that's what you get with a front office woefully short of talent, experience, connections, smarts, and A+ scouts....something we have none of. Until that changes, neither will we.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
63 days ago, the lites went out for me when i checked into the UCSD med center. Now after back surgeries 7,8, and 9, and 5 days in, 2 days out, 3 days in,1 day out, and then 45 days in, the 49ers look no different than at the end of last yr...and that is discouraging. LIke TEXASniner said, we are the same team.

Still have a coach who can get us to 9-7, but no more,

still have a #1 pick TE who has yet to prove he was worth the pick,

still have avg QB, with a wasted #1 pick in the draft waiting in the wings

still have a D that couldn't stop the Chargers 2nd and 3rd string,

still have an OL who couldn't block the Chargers 2nd string,

oh, and worst , we still have the only unsigned first rd draft pick in nfl.


Only thing i do see is a better caliber OL with Marvel gone, Sims demoted, and a good 2 yr signing for OL yesterday. Tip of the hat to the 9ers for that.


Man is it ever great to rejoin the world of the living. And yes, in the last 3 days, i read everything posted from the last month. Thanks to all. Unfortunately Texasniner lasered in on our team: we are exactly the team we had out there last yr...and that isn't even close to being good enough. I have given up on scot and jed. Until yorks hire a real HOFO, this team is just treading water. Maybe 7-9, maybe 9-7. In reality , what does it matter. Mediocre is mediocre, and that's what you get with a front office woefully short of talent, experience, connections, smarts, and A+ scouts....something we have none of. Until that changes, neither will we.

wow very scary