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I say we try nate davis with first team offense

I say we try nate davis with first team offense

^^^^^ Oh Mercy !!!!!
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by obx49:
People seem to forget that Davis was a first round prospect who dropped because of his disability. If it wasn't for this disability then Davis would have been selected in the first round and would have been part of the competition for starting QB. Although it was against the Raiders second and third team defense, Davis performed admirably showed many skills that Hill and Smith do not posses such as poise in the pocket, a strong arm, the ability to elude the rush, and accuracy.

I thought he dropped because of the back-to-back bad games towards the end of the season.

And bad combine according to articles I've read.

Anyhow, he is not even close to earning a chance to work with the 1st string offense.
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He's got all those things but come on, he was in against the scrubs.
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by obx49:
People seem to forget that Davis was a first round prospect who dropped because of his disability. If it wasn't for this disability then Davis would have been selected in the first round and would have been part of the competition for starting QB. Although it was against the Raiders second and third team defense, Davis performed admirably showed many skills that Hill and Smith do not posses such as poise in the pocket, a strong arm, the ability to elude the rush, and accuracy.

For some reason, i doubt that...

Show me a link?

-9fA

Davis was very highly regarded going into that season. Not sure why a link has to be necessary. You either follow the draft or you don't. His stock slipped later in the year and his learning disability was a big part of why.

But here you go - first link when you google 'nate davis nfl draft'

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1740

Thanks for the link but i was looking for a specific link that stated that his fall from the first round was because of his mental disability. The article you linked speculates that the slip was more so due to poor performance in workouts and a mediocre offseason.

By the way, your link was the only that i found that had him projecting in the 1st round before his decline.

-9fA

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Following in the steps of two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, Davis could emerge as the next great quarterback to come out of the Mid-American Conference. The league's reigning offensive player of the year, Davis guided Ball State to a stunning 12-0 start and No. 12 ranking in the AP Top 25 poll before the Cardinals lost to Buffalo 48-31 in the MAC championship game. Facing Tulsa in the GMAC Bowl, Davis had his worst game of the season, completing only 9 of 29 passes for 145 yards and one interception in a 29-9 setback. Still, Davis is considered a natural leader, and his weak bowl performance does little to take away from what he accomplished over his college career, particularly the final two seasons. In 2007-08, Davis completed 60.0 percent of his passes for nearly 7,300 yards with 56 touchdowns and only 14 interceptions in 27 games. Overall, Davis leaves as the Ball State's leader in touchdown passes (74), yards passing (9,233), attempts (1,124) and completions (678). In fact, one of the few negatives attached to Davis' name is he doesn't possess the height many in the NFL would like to see in a quarterback. Davis may hear his name called in the middle of the first round, and almost assuredly will by the end of the draft's first day.


http://stats.nj.com/nfldraft/players.asp?id=138552

Many "draftniks" had projected Nate Davis as a first round prospect if not first day. What I'm saying is that he dropped to the 5th round is because many team were afraid to draft a guy who had dyslexia. If I'm not mistaken, I believe I read an article where it had a quote from Mike Singletary and he basically said that Davis' drop in the draft was due to teams being afraid to draft a kid with a disability. If I find it I'll post it.
believe me if smith n hill were going up against those 3rd stringers they wouldnt look at good as davis did. So i really dont know. Look at peyton manning he played his rookie year n that didnt mess him up. Idk how to develop QBs though.
Originally posted by NinersSF:
believe me if smith n hill were going up against those 3rd stringers they wouldnt look at good as davis did. So i really dont know. Look at peyton manning he played his rookie year n that didnt mess him up. Idk how to develop QBs though.

And why should we believe you on that bold statement?
Originally posted by carlgo:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by carlgo:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by carlgo:
Who has the best QB skills right now, experienced or not?

Are either Smith and Hill going to get any better?

Dyslexia is not a "dumb" issue, or one that effects "quick thinking". Davis is not handicapped. Sing understands this and has said, clearly, that it is simply something that requires a different teaching method.

Did Davis look befuddled or rookie-ish?

There is no inherent reason he could not be successful as a rookie, like others have over the years.

Sing will start Hill, but don't be surprised if Davis comes in later in the year for that spark. I predicted some time ago that Davis will surprise people by being the starter by the end of this year.

And that was before we saw him even play.

He was playing against backups not starters.

He could be playing against 8th graders. It is his physical and evident mental skills that were on display.

Certainly if the Faders had brought five all-pros in on blitzes every time, then... no, wait, he would have done EVEN BETTER because he would have had a chance to evade them, run around and fire in a pass to a scrambling receiver.

It is Smith/Hill who would have failed! Actually, they DID against the Fader's starters. Even when Coffee was running for 10 yards a carry, they failed!

Frankly, it seems that a lot of Smith/Hill fans are afraid that their guy is going to be sitting before long.

Regarding your last sentence, people like you are fragmenting the zone. Smith guys and Hill guys. Now guess what? We have a couple of Davis guys. Lot of people here have hopes for him in the long term, and how does that get interpretted? That we are afraid that "our" qb is going to lose out.

People like you seem to have lost touch with the idea of supporting the team, and prefer to follow their own little cliche.

Well Buddy, whoever is under center, I support the team. This place has disintegrated into rival factions this off season and it is time to put it behind us.

So, you want all the posters on a sports forum to speak with one voice and to agree on who the best players are at each position? That will never happen.

Every fan has an argument for the QB they think will bring the most success to the team. Nobody has argued their case for any selfish reasons at all.

It actually makes no difference if this or any other forum is fragmented. It is for entertainment purposes only and nobody cares. If the 9ers thought that our opinions were important they would offer a cushy job with benefits, a Gold Rush companion and free food.

The words "Well, Buddy..." seem so...unbuddyish.

You meant to say "clique", not "cliche". Our Davis clique is small, but growing. Soon others will want to be in it. Since we are a nice clique, not snotty at all, we will accept any and all.

Nice work of missing the point, oh and thanks for correcting my spelling. We just don't have enough grammar nazi's around here.

Clearly you have not been reading the corrosive exchanges about Smith and Hill during the off season.
Nate Davis is still a year away from being ready for an NFL regular season game but his arm is CRAZY. Its amazing seeing him throw the ball compared to his fellow qbs.
Now that Hill's the starter, and Alex won't be playing in Dallas because of his thumb, the 2nd half will likely be another chance for Davis to show his stuff. It won't be with the 1st team offense...they'll most likely be done at halftime. Nonetheless, it'll give him some more preseason experience...which is good. If he shows well, it could increase his chances to stick on the roster and avoid the temptation to put him on the PS. All that said, he needs to learn his first year...and only play in an emergency situation for all the obvious reasons.
Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
Now that Hill's the starter, and Alex won't be playing in Dallas because of his thumb, the 2nd half will likely be another chance for Davis to show his stuff. It won't be with the 1st team offense...they'll most likely be done at halftime. Nonetheless, it'll give him some more preseason experience...which is good. If he shows well, it could increase his chances to stick on the roster and avoid the temptation to put him on the PS. All that said, he needs to learn his first year...and only play in an emergency situation for all the obvious reasons.


dito!
Originally posted by Bali-Niner:
Well now, surprise, surprise; as of today. Since Smith is hurt again; his thumb is in a plastic cast, he will not play this week and MS says maybe not the last preseason game too. Then he goes on to say, ahhh Davis is going to play the second half of the Dallas game.

Now if this actually takes place, who wants to bet against him playing a ton in the last preseason game? I think we are going to find out a lot about him in the next couple weeks; I'm hoping it will be for the good. You know one of the good things about MS is he isn't afraid to play any player if he thinks they will produce..

Look what he has done to this point with JT, V Davis, JJ and others.I really like that about him, though the 60-40% run game I'm not a fan of.

It's going to an interesting next 2 weeks to me, and this Dallas game is going to be a real game for a while, Romo's supposed to be lighting it up, so we are going to see just how much we need a pass rush, and the ability to put some numbers in a hurry.

I'm all for Hill, but I don't think he is a long term answer, but you never know.. We need an impact player @QB, I'm not saying Davis is that player, but how will we know if he doesn't' get a chance, and he is, going to get it, looks like. Dat is cool.

One other thing; isn't it kind of stunning how fast MS has put Smith on the back burner? I mean he sprains his thumb and right away Davis is moved uo, probably Huard too, and there is NO mention when Smith will play again.
I'll tell you, it feels real good to get this QB competition out of the way and get to the mater in hand of tuning the O to players skill sets.

NINERS!!!!!!!!

Are you seriously trying to imply that now that Hill is the starter Singletary moved Alex Smith behind Davis?


I just can't understand how people can take a simple injury and think the guy is being moved down the depth chart. What do you want Sing to do constantly mention Alex Smith in all of his sentences so you don't think he's being cast aside?

my god....
Originally posted by NinersSF:
believe me if smith n hill were going up against those 3rd stringers they wouldnt look at good as davis did. So i really dont know. Look at peyton manning he played his rookie year n that didnt mess him up. Idk how to develop QBs though.

You don't change offensive coordinators on them every season. You can start there.
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Following in the steps of two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, Davis could emerge as the next great quarterback to come out of the Mid-American Conference.

this is who Davis reminds me of....although Big Ben is taller...they both look to have the same build but are elusive for their size....and both just seem to know the QB position....and nice touch passes and strong arms.

I can't wait to see Nate in the second half.... it would be so sweet if the game went like this....

Shaun Hill does great against Dallas's secondary again.....and our defense steps up this game and we lock them up.....not having to worry about T.O.

we take nice lead....then our 2nd string QB Nate Davis plays great again.....while Dallas' turn over machine Kitna feels like he is about to get hit every down by Spencer and struggles.....and we take a Big lead....at Dallas....against the Cowboys....with everyone able to see the embarrasment on those big screens.
why not give him a shot ? he came up with a clutch td pass and 2 pt. conversion late in the game and looked very comfortable against the 2nd and 3rd defenses of the raiders..
This should go with the let's start coffee thread...49ers Staring offense of Nate Davis handing the ball off too Glen Coffee. Oh wait what's this, he's tackled by Kwame Harris for a 13 yard loss, oh wait there's more, holding on the defense #77 Kwame Harris 5 yard penalty repeat 1rst down.