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SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS @ HOUSTON TEXANS GAMEDAY THREAD (Game 6)

I don't think Singletary/Raye will go crazy but I do see this team doing some creative things to open up the offense. 1st is Crabtree's increased role, I also believe B.Jones will see an increased role this week. I for one am rooting for Josh Morgan to start returning kicks, I say give Crabtree a chance also.
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by verb1der:
What are the chances that Houston will use the same 2 TE, 2RB set the Falcons used vs Niners D?

I doubt it since Owen Daniels is no Tony Gonzalez. I expect them to use Slaton more in the passing game and C.Brown for the running plays. Then again if the Niner D actually shows up for this game, it shouldnt matter.

While Daniels is no Gonzalez, he's a former pro-bowler who's having another good year this year. I don't think he's to be taken lightly. Gonzalez was critical valve for Ryan when we played the Falcons. We sent Lewis on him yet he still had a good day.

I think Texans pick up on this, we'll see come game day though.

-9A

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Also, the Niners defense relies heavily on scheme to create an effecitve pass-rush...

Falcons countered with that offensive set for max protection...

only way to get a pass rush vs this look is to win the one on one battle...and in my honest opinion, only Justin Smith is capable...

I think this will be crucial.

Just remember Matt Ryan >>>>>>Matt Schaub

I can agree with you on that. Although Schaub is still capable of putting up huge numbers.

and Andre Johnson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roddy White.
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by verb1der:
What are the chances that Houston will use the same 2 TE, 2RB set the Falcons used vs Niners D?

I doubt it since Owen Daniels is no Tony Gonzalez. I expect them to use Slaton more in the passing game and C.Brown for the running plays. Then again if the Niner D actually shows up for this game, it shouldnt matter.

While Daniels is no Gonzalez, he's a former pro-bowler who's having another good year this year. I don't think he's to be taken lightly. Gonzalez was critical valve for Ryan when we played the Falcons. We sent Lewis on him yet he still had a good day.

I think Texans pick up on this, we'll see come game day though.

-9A

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Also, the Niners defense relies heavily on scheme to create an effecitve pass-rush...

Falcons countered with that offensive set for max protection...

only way to get a pass rush vs this look is to win the one on one battle...and in my honest opinion, only Justin Smith is capable...

I think this will be crucial.

Just remember Matt Ryan >>>>>>Matt Schaub


I don't know how much of the Texans you have seen but I live in Houston & Schaub when healthy is pretty damn good. Do you even realize that Schaub leads the NFL in td passes with 14, is 2nd in pass yds. & has a qb rating of over 100. Not saying he is better than Ryan but he definitely is not miles behind like you seem to think, in fact I would argue he is playing at a top 10 level.
I wouldn't be mad at all if Schaub decided to have an off week this week.
the texans, hired a squirrel to blow the transformer at the niners facility, so we couldn't watch tape on them

sabotage!!!!!!
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Originally posted by epdavis:
I don't know how much of the Texans you have seen but I live in Houston & Schaub when healthy is pretty damn good.

Saw the early game Sunday. Schaub to Johnson!

Saw that a lot.

The 49ers D gave up 35 points in the last game in just in the first half. Facing Schaub, who knows?

Our offense has to score, too. Any given Sunday - and why not? There's Morgan, who we know can catch - and drop. There's Gore who has speed and needs only a small gap. But he's got to stay healthy. Gore can literally be a difference in this game!

You'll probably see Crabtree sparingly used. But if he goes up for and makes a big downfield catch, even that's not a TD, or subsequently from the red area, it still might cause Houston to have to adjust.

Atlanta game - scary stuff. Embarrassing. But particularly embarrassing for the coaching on both sides of the ball, along with a few players not completing, Remember the key play. Ground can't cause the fumble. Refs didn't bother to double check. And Coach Sing had no timeouts with which to throw a flag. It's a difficult mistake to completely forget, going forward.

I thought, like many, that Atlanta was a pretty even match with the 49ers. And they WERE, with that 49ers team that played the Vikes.

You just never know on gameday. I not only think the 49ers can beat Houston, but that if they lose it might reveal some problems that even a bye-week can't fix. And they're playing good teams, coming up.

The bright side there - those teams can certainly be beaten, too. That weighs against systemic problems, somewhat. So, on balance, I'm optimistic. Any given Sunday. I just think the 49ers are STILL a few players away and STILL a few position coaches away from being able to compete for the championship.
Originally posted by teeohh:
the texans, hired a squirrel to blow the transformer at the niners facility, so we couldn't watch tape on them

sabotage!!!!!!

kamikaze attacks in Santa Clara!
Originally posted by epdavis:
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:
Originally posted by verb1der:
What are the chances that Houston will use the same 2 TE, 2RB set the Falcons used vs Niners D?

I doubt it since Owen Daniels is no Tony Gonzalez. I expect them to use Slaton more in the passing game and C.Brown for the running plays. Then again if the Niner D actually shows up for this game, it shouldnt matter.

While Daniels is no Gonzalez, he's a former pro-bowler who's having another good year this year. I don't think he's to be taken lightly. Gonzalez was critical valve for Ryan when we played the Falcons. We sent Lewis on him yet he still had a good day.

I think Texans pick up on this, we'll see come game day though.

-9A

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Also, the Niners defense relies heavily on scheme to create an effecitve pass-rush...

Falcons countered with that offensive set for max protection...

only way to get a pass rush vs this look is to win the one on one battle...and in my honest opinion, only Justin Smith is capable...

I think this will be crucial.

Just remember Matt Ryan >>>>>>Matt Schaub


I don't know how much of the Texans you have seen but I live in Houston & Schaub when healthy is pretty damn good. Do you even realize that Schaub leads the NFL in td passes with 14, is 2nd in pass yds. & has a qb rating of over 100. Not saying he is better than Ryan but he definitely is not miles behind like you seem to think, in fact I would argue he is playing at a top 10 level.

Schaub reminds me a lot of a young Kurt Warner, and with that (given the nature of his play), we just need to rattle/rush him and we'll be able to prevent Andre Johnson from doing what he does best in the endzone.
since his days in jacksonville pashos had to face super mario twice a year. Did anybody knows if he wasn't struggle too much against him? because it's could be an important matchup next sunday... i saw williams play on both sides of the line...
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Originally posted by jimbagg:
OK, enough wishing and hoping. Let's look at what the Niners will be up against in Houston.

Houston Offense:

WR Andre Johnson may well be the best WR currently in the NFL. Clements will need consistent duble-team help to avoid another Roddy White-type day for Johnson.

QB Schaub is accurate. The pass rush must improve.

TE Owen Daniels is very under-rated and is probably Schaub's #2 downfild threat. SS Roman may be over-matched in coverage, as he subs for the injured M. Lewis. The Niners may need to pull Lawson away from the pass rush to shut down Daniels.

RB Steve Slaton, though not a power back like Peterson or Jackson, is shifty and has good hands. The Niner rush defense should be able to shut Slaton down, but he could still be dangerous as a receiver. Also making the Houston offense one-dimensional (pass only) is still a scary thought. That's what they do best.

Young OT's Duane Brown and Eric Winston are strong.

Houston Dfense:

play a 4-3 scheme.

DL is strong (A. Smith, Cody, Akoye, Mario Williams) L to R. Staley vs Williams should be interesting. But Okjoye and Cody vs the weak Niners OG's might be more of a threat.

MLB DeMeco Ryans is a tacking machine.

CB Dunta Robinson is a ball hawk and can shut down the Niners' #1 WR (Bruce?). Someone else (Morgan, Cragtree, Jones) will need to step up for Shaun Hill.

Houston has experienced safeties, so long passes will be unlikely for the Niner offense.

OLB's are either green or unremarkable, so edge plays will be key for the Niner offense.

Houston's home crowd will be a notable 12th man, possibly increasing the ;likelihood of motion penalties on the Niner OL.

Houston Special Teams:

Kris Brown is a solid PK.

So, can the Niners win this game? Sure, but figuring out where/how to attack the Texans makes this pre-game chat much more interesting for me. Maybe you too?

As a Texans fan, I am really impressed with your breakdown.

I would like to add some to it.

Offense
WR- AJ is a stud, but don't forget about the other two; Walters is a solid WR, whose catches always seem to be first downs, and Jacob Jones has made several big play catches (and is a big threat on Punt Returns)

RB- Slaton is slowly getting back to last years form (slower this year), but has had trouble hanging onto the ball.

Center- (that covers it).

Defense
CB's- Nice to have Reeves back, he is our best CB right now. D-Rob is overrated, hard hitter but suspect in coverage.

Safeties - were changed a couple of weeks ago, they are better, but we still need an upgrade

LB's - best unit on Defense. Cushing = STUD, Ryans = all-pro, Diles = solid, but seems better due to playing next to the other two.

That is about it.

Good Luck this week, and the rest of the season
[ Edited by VMan on Oct 20, 2009 at 7:12 AM ]
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Originally posted by TheCatch:
Originally posted by B650:
Does the fact that some of us are just hoping to hang around in the Texans game and not get blown out already sum up what kind of team we are? Houston is a .500 team. Good teams eat .500 teams up for breakfast. We must not be very good if we're worried about getting blown out in Houston. We don't scare anyone. You go into Green Bay and you think, "Damn, we have to put up with Rodgers and the crowd." Philadelphia you think, "Hopefully McNabb and Jackson don't kill us." Patriots make you think, "They'll destroy us if Brady gets going."

How about if we were to play the 49ers? "Damn, hopefully Andy Lee doesn't have a career game and average 60 yards a punt."

We don't scare anyone. Our offensive line is pathetic. Our QB has the arm of a teenager and can't even make half the throws that are required from an NFL-quality QB. Teams just think, "We'll blitz them until they choke." They're aggressive against us because our offense is anemic.

Sorry for the negativity, but I'm not seeing good things from this team in the next two games. I'm seeing a couple blowouts, embarrassment, and a lot of changes coming up. Only then will we be able to turn the season around. We just don't have the right guys in right now, and the guys that should be in are either on the bench or no longer with the team, sent away for nothing. We've made horrible decision after horrible decision.

1)The hiring of Raye.
2)Starting Shaun Hill. I see no potential. Even if he guides us to some wins, he'll eventually be replaced by someone better. Why waste time?
3)Drafting Coffee, who is similar to Gore in style, but a far worse player.
4)Starting Bruce despite him showing signs that he's lost it.
5)Using too many 2 TE sets
6)Using Delanie Walker on kickoffs
7)Keeping Jason Hill, probably one of our best WRs, on the bench
8)Not using one of our shiftiest WRs, Michael Spurlock, in any other fashion besides "The Tazer."
9)Getting rid of Sheets for absolutely nothing, when he's probably better than Robinson and Coffee. He would've been a great change-of-pace back to play behind Gore. He's like Charlie Garner. But, why keep him? It's not like he could help us. After all, we're a running team. What good is a running back on a running team that runs? Nope. 'Cuz apparently, there's more to a running back than running, because we don't want our precious golden-armed QB going down with injury since Sheets isn't a good blocker. That would be disastrous to our season.
10)Having 7 freakin' WRs on the roster, despite being a running team.

I could go on, but I think you get the point. It starts from the top. I'm starting to get the sense that this team is run by a bunch of airheads. Good teams make good decisions. Bad teams make bad decisions.

I love this team, but not who's running it right now. Hopefully, something happens, something clicks, a light bulb goes off, or ANYTHING in Houston. We need this game badly. I'll be rooting for my 49ers, but I'm not expecting much.

I totally agree. Its all about "The 49ers dont know offense". Period. Thats saying nobody in this organization knows how to run an offense, and that makes me sad.

I agree as well. I like Singletary as the coach, but he needs more talented coaches and a much better general manager that will get the right talent in here and challenge him. I am predicting another blowout in Houston. Andre Johnson will have a career day against Clements. Shaun Hill will be benched at some point in the game.
This team is very similar to the Tards. You get to their QB, who likes to stay in the pocket, you have a good chance of winning the game...if you don't, he can burn us!!!!!
Matt Schaub has thrown an int in every game but one







He has also thrown 14TDs
they have the 2nd ranked passing offense as well

he scares me we better put pressure on this guy or we are in for a long long day

their running game sucks
slayton has fumbled 4 times and as a team they have 6 fumbles rushing
they have 2 fumbles receiving and 5 ints as a team


they are prone to turnovers but if and when they happen we need to capitalize because their passing game is no joke
[ Edited by valrod33 on Oct 20, 2009 at 8:24 AM ]
Originally posted by valrod33:
Matt Schaub has thrown an int in every game but one







He has also thrown 14TDs
they have the 2nd ranked passing offense as well

he scares me we better put pressure on this guy or we are in for a long long day

their running game sucks
slayton has fumbled 4 times and as a team they have 6 fumbles rushing
they have 2 fumbles receiving and 5 ints as a team


they are prone to turnovers but if and when they happen we need to capitalize because their passing game is no joke

If we don't fix our 3 & outs problem we will get murdered, we need to keep their offense off the field. If we cannot capitalize on their horrible D, we don't deserve to be in the playoffs.
the last time we played the texans was it not the reggie bush bowl?