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  • cools
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I wonder if the emergence of M.Johnson as a solid OC will influence who the Niners hire as a HC,
a perfect scenario could be hireing an offensive minded HC that likes
Johnson ability as the OC, and tutor him to get even better

A name that keeps coming to mind is Brian Billick...
He often talks of how the knowledge he's gained as an analyst
would make him a much better HC when he gets back into it

He hired Mike Johnson, who worked for Billick his last two years in Balt. (06/07)
He drafted Troy Smith

Sure i like Harbaugh and Gruden, but i doubt Harbaugh leaves and I bet Gruden takes one of the Ohio jobs

speaking of Ohio Jobs, Marvin Lewis is in his last year of contract and rumor has it he wants to go back to being a DC,
If Billick ends up as our HC, I could see him bringing in Lewis to run the D' and maybe we switch to a 4-3!
[ Edited by cools on Nov 14, 2010 at 11:57 PM ]
Originally posted by cools:
I wonder if the emergence of M.Johnson as a solid OC will influence who the Niners hire as a HC,
a perfect scenario could be hireing an offensive minded HC that likes
Johnson ability as the OC, and tutor him to get even better

A name that keeps coming to mind is Brian Billick...
He often talks of how the knowledge he's gained as an analyst
would make him a much better HC when he gets back into it

He hired Mike Johnson, who worked for Billick his last two years in Balt. (06/07)
He drafted Troy Smith

Sure i like Harbaugh and Gruden, but i doubt Harbaugh leaves and I bet Gruden takes one of the Ohio jobs

speaking of Ohio Jobs, Marvin Lewis is in his last year of contract and rumor has it he wants to go back to being a DC,
If Billick ends up as our HC, I could see him bringing in Lewis to run the D' and maybe we switch to a 4-3!

wouldnt be mad at that senario
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Originally posted by SF4EVA:
Originally posted by GEEK:
Originally posted by PTulini:


Are you f**king kidding me?

"We don't care about the numbers. As long as we win the game, then the QB did a good enough job"

The mantra of modern day 49er sub-mediocre football. This has been the mindset of the QB position since 2004 when Tim Rattay took the helm of this team.

Tim Rattay, Alex Smith, Trent Dilfer, Shaun Hill, Chris Weinke, J.T. O'Sullivan, Cody Pickett, Ken Dorsey...

I guess he fooled you

rule #1. Stop taking to heart what the coaches say to the media.

One game doesn't change the truth of the mantra this season. Singletary finally allowed Johnson to open it up...thank god.
getting better
Johnson called a great game! Hope this continues!
I'll even go so far as to give Johnson a free pass on the (comparatively) lackluster 3rd quarter. Our success with deep routes and intermediate passes should've opened up the the run between the tackles. It didn't work out on those series, but it was a reasonable decision. Fortunately, once he determined there wasn't anything there, he went back to what was working.

I was also pleased to see Johnson using Westbrook a bit more that usual, although I'm starting to think there's a reason why we haven't been seeing much of him: he's not looking as elusive as perhaps we thought he was.
Originally posted by tohara3:
Johnson called a great game! Hope this continues!

Yup, give the guy credit. Even the announcers were impressed by the paly calling and when was the last time that happened? Certainly not in Raye's tenure. At least for one game, it was a pleasure to behold. Plays were working and if not for those stupid penalties, we'd have won handily and not had to go into overtime. Probably one or two more TD's.
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Johnson is an obvious upgrade to Fester, but I hope the Yorks are able to separate emotion (the wins) from making a logical decision (whether or not he or any of the coaches are worth keeping).
Originally posted by cools:
I wonder if the emergence of M.Johnson as a solid OC will influence who the Niners hire as a HC,
a perfect scenario could be hireing an offensive minded HC that likes
Johnson ability as the OC, and tutor him to get even better

A name that keeps coming to mind is Brian Billick...
He often talks of how the knowledge he's gained as an analyst
would make him a much better HC when he gets back into it

He hired Mike Johnson, who worked for Billick his last two years in Balt. (06/07)
He drafted Troy Smith

Sure i like Harbaugh and Gruden, but i doubt Harbaugh leaves and I bet Gruden takes one of the Ohio jobs

speaking of Ohio Jobs, Marvin Lewis is in his last year of contract and rumor has it he wants to go back to being a DC,
If Billick ends up as our HC, I could see him bringing in Lewis to run the D' and maybe we switch to a 4-3!
I'd love to have Billick.
Originally posted by NorthNiner:
Originally posted by cools:
I wonder if the emergence of M.Johnson as a solid OC will influence who the Niners hire as a HC,
a perfect scenario could be hireing an offensive minded HC that likes
Johnson ability as the OC, and tutor him to get even better

A name that keeps coming to mind is Brian Billick...
He often talks of how the knowledge he's gained as an analyst
would make him a much better HC when he gets back into it

He hired Mike Johnson, who worked for Billick his last two years in Balt. (06/07)
He drafted Troy Smith

Sure i like Harbaugh and Gruden, but i doubt Harbaugh leaves and I bet Gruden takes one of the Ohio jobs

speaking of Ohio Jobs, Marvin Lewis is in his last year of contract and rumor has it he wants to go back to being a DC,
If Billick ends up as our HC, I could see him bringing in Lewis to run the D' and maybe we switch to a 4-3!
I'd love to have Billick.

Yes!!!

Billick has what most coaches don't have, the ability to not be stubborn. He was an offensive minded coach who used the talents he had in Minnesota to the max. He then becomes HC of BAL and is required to do a 180 and apply the talent THAT team had. He understands how to change his coaching according to the talent given.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by NorthNiner:
Originally posted by cools:
I wonder if the emergence of M.Johnson as a solid OC will influence who the Niners hire as a HC,
a perfect scenario could be hireing an offensive minded HC that likes
Johnson ability as the OC, and tutor him to get even better

A name that keeps coming to mind is Brian Billick...
He often talks of how the knowledge he's gained as an analyst
would make him a much better HC when he gets back into it

He hired Mike Johnson, who worked for Billick his last two years in Balt. (06/07)
He drafted Troy Smith

Sure i like Harbaugh and Gruden, but i doubt Harbaugh leaves and I bet Gruden takes one of the Ohio jobs

speaking of Ohio Jobs, Marvin Lewis is in his last year of contract and rumor has it he wants to go back to being a DC,
If Billick ends up as our HC, I could see him bringing in Lewis to run the D' and maybe we switch to a 4-3!
I'd love to have Billick.

Yes!!!

Billick has what most coaches don't have, the ability to not be stubborn. He was an offensive minded coach who used the talents he had in Minnesota to the max. He then becomes HC of BAL and is required to do a 180 and apply the talent THAT team had. He understands how to change his coaching according to the talent given.

I've been saying Billick for a while now, and everyone just laughs at me.
Not MJ's fault, but the playcalling, "philosophically," is still archaic. When you're having a lot of success throwing the ball, you need to stick to it and not try and force a square peg into a non-existent hole (Gore up the middle). You keep moving the ball around to your WRs, TEs and RBs, keep moving the chains and keep the defense on the field...you don't run, run THEN throw. That's being stubborn, bordering on stupid (Singletary).

When the pass is working, you keep passing to set up the running game...you don't try and run to set up the pass, when the run isn't working, and only then default to the pass because you've fallen behind.

The game has changed, and our HC hasn't changed with it. Until we do, it really won't matter who's behind center...we'll never get the most out of our offensive weapons until we start playing 21s century football.
[ Edited by GhostofFredDean74 on Nov 15, 2010 at 10:50 AM ]
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Originally posted by cools:
I wonder if the emergence of M.Johnson as a solid OC will influence who the Niners hire as a HC,
a perfect scenario could be hireing an offensive minded HC that likes
Johnson ability as the OC, and tutor him to get even better

A name that keeps coming to mind is Brian Billick...
He often talks of how the knowledge he's gained as an analyst
would make him a much better HC when he gets back into it

He hired Mike Johnson, who worked for Billick his last two years in Balt. (06/07)
He drafted Troy Smith

Sure i like Harbaugh and Gruden, but i doubt Harbaugh leaves and I bet Gruden takes one of the Ohio jobs

speaking of Ohio Jobs, Marvin Lewis is in his last year of contract and rumor has it he wants to go back to being a DC,
If Billick ends up as our HC, I could see him bringing in Lewis to run the D' and maybe we switch to a 4-3!

I've been wondering the same thing. I would be ecstatic with Billick if he kept Johnson around.
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Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Not MJ's fault, but the playcalling, "philosophically," is still archaic. When you're having a lot of success throwing the ball, you need to stick to it and not try and force a square peg into a non-existent hole (Gore up the middle). You keep moving the ball around to your WRs, TEs and RBs, keep moving the chains and keep the defense on the field...you don't run, run THEN throw. That's being stubborn, bordering on stupid (Singletary).

The game has changed, and our HC hasn't changed with it. Until we do, it really won't matter who's behind center...we'll never get the most out of our offensive weapons until we start playing 21s century football.

So you would rather the team just strictly pass on every down? The success of the passing game this past Sunday can be directly linked to the success of play action. Gore may not have gained positive yards, but the threat of the run allowed Smith to succeed.

Becoming one dimensional isn't going to help the offense.
Originally posted by redrathman:
Originally posted by GhostofFredDean74:
Not MJ's fault, but the playcalling, "philosophically," is still archaic. When you're having a lot of success throwing the ball, you need to stick to it and not try and force a square peg into a non-existent hole (Gore up the middle). You keep moving the ball around to your WRs, TEs and RBs, keep moving the chains and keep the defense on the field...you don't run, run THEN throw. That's being stubborn, bordering on stupid (Singletary).

The game has changed, and our HC hasn't changed with it. Until we do, it really won't matter who's behind center...we'll never get the most out of our offensive weapons until we start playing 21s century football.

So you would rather the team just strictly pass on every down? The success of the passing game this past Sunday can be directly linked to the success of play action. Gore may not have gained positive yards, but the threat of the run allowed Smith to succeed.

Becoming one dimensional isn't going to help the offense.

Read my post again.

When you're having a lot of success throwing the ball, you need to stick to it and not try and force a square peg into a non-existent hole (Gore up the middle).

When the run is working, of course you keep at it. That's not what I was saying. What I'm saying is, when the PASS is working, you need to stick with it and continue to exploit it. That not only continues to put pressure on the defense, it actually opens up the running game for you.

We go into a game with 1 mentality (run, run, run), and even if it's not working, we stick to it and only change until we get behind and are FORCED to pass first. Most NFL teams have the ability/coaching intelligence to see what's working and go with it (usually, to help set up the thing that isn't working so well). We're playing checkers when we should be playing chess, is my point.

IMO, it's either stupidity or stubborness...can't figure out which one is the case with Singletary.
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