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Does anybody believe that our pass rush is any better?

Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by rigs49:
Can anyone honestly say that we have upgraded since last year? I mean what was done this off season to fix the pass rush?



"Sing, sing, sing...." "motivate, motivate, motivate......" "fire, fire, fire..." Get the hell outta here with all that noise.

Mike Singletary is not a miracle worker!

You know something, belief can work miracles...I have seen it for myself. When Joe believed that Coach Walsh was speakin' the truth, do you think that those precision drives came from doubt?

You may not believe Krizay, but many do and that, in itself, must be respected.

Motivation is simply a way to touch the soul to work that much harder...well, what the hell is wrong with that in the first place? Second, Singletary knows first hand what it takes to be a champion from anyone on that field. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Dang it, why in the world would anyone want to demean, ridicule, or undermine an established champion who only wants to share his experience to make us what we once were: CHAMPIONS.

I just don't get it...

On simply the issue of the pass-rush...nothing has changed except who is playing the SAM and WILL roles. One thing has changed and that is Manny Lawson becoming the other edge rusher instead of TBC or Green. That is it. I thought that was clearly said.

Is Manny it? We will see whether you like it or not. If you think Manny is there to "fix" the pass rush, then you will be happy. If not, oh well...there is next year's DE/OLB rich draft.

IMO, please support your team and root for Manny. He is, after all, our solution to the pass rush for now.

Still, why do people just demonstrate a negative, sarcastic view point toward a man who only knows how to win and will do everything to get there? Why?

For me, who gives a rat's azz...seriously? Our opinions don't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Instead, our support does.

That is what I focus on.

Go 49ers!



If by saying Sing isn't a miracle worker is demeaning or ridiculing him. Then I guess i'm guilty. You guys are expecting him to turn water into to wine just because of the way he talks.

Dude, you weren't being saracastic in your post above? You were ridiculing, mocking, making fun of the motivational aspect in Singletary's coaching?

And no, we are not subscribing to your notion of Singletary as a miracle worker. I am saying that you, as well as others here, are exaggerating and dramatizing the impact of how Singletary is taking care of business with motivational speaking which is one of his vehicles for success.

Singletary's success will be based on his compilation of all his football skills especially at the NFL level. Motivation is but one of them and a very important one at that.

Maybe others are just hanging their hat on that one trait of Singletary's. Me? I believe that most underestimate what Singletary can do. I believe that he can succeed with this where Nolan failed.

True and i agree with what you are saying. My thing is a speech isn't gonna make a player that just doesn't have the talent all of the sudden have the talent. It might light a fire under a guys ass who has been lazy and not giving it his all. but a fiery speech isn't gonna make Manny a better pass rusher. Mike pushing him harder and harder in practice and Manny pushing himself and improving pass rush moves is what will make him better. I do believe the players will respect and work harder for singletary than they did for Nolan and that will be partly come from how he talks and commands there attention. But at the end of the day I just don't see the actual talent on this defense to expect a much improved pass rush. If it does I would call that an even more severe damage to Nolan's tenure and more props to sing and Manusky for solving that problem.
  • krizay
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Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by rigs49:
Can anyone honestly say that we have upgraded since last year? I mean what was done this off season to fix the pass rush?



"Sing, sing, sing...." "motivate, motivate, motivate......" "fire, fire, fire..." Get the hell outta here with all that noise.

Mike Singletary is not a miracle worker!

You know something, belief can work miracles...I have seen it for myself. When Joe believed that Coach Walsh was speakin' the truth, do you think that those precision drives came from doubt?

You may not believe Krizay, but many do and that, in itself, must be respected.

Motivation is simply a way to touch the soul to work that much harder...well, what the hell is wrong with that in the first place? Second, Singletary knows first hand what it takes to be a champion from anyone on that field. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Dang it, why in the world would anyone want to demean, ridicule, or undermine an established champion who only wants to share his experience to make us what we once were: CHAMPIONS.

I just don't get it...

On simply the issue of the pass-rush...nothing has changed except who is playing the SAM and WILL roles. One thing has changed and that is Manny Lawson becoming the other edge rusher instead of TBC or Green. That is it. I thought that was clearly said.

Is Manny it? We will see whether you like it or not. If you think Manny is there to "fix" the pass rush, then you will be happy. If not, oh well...there is next year's DE/OLB rich draft.

IMO, please support your team and root for Manny. He is, after all, our solution to the pass rush for now.

Still, why do people just demonstrate a negative, sarcastic view point toward a man who only knows how to win and will do everything to get there? Why?

For me, who gives a rat's azz...seriously? Our opinions don't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Instead, our support does.

That is what I focus on.

Go 49ers!



If by saying Sing isn't a miracle worker is demeaning or ridiculing him. Then I guess i'm guilty. You guys are expecting him to turn water into to wine just because of the way he talks.

Dude, you weren't being saracastic in your post above? You were ridiculing, mocking, making fun of the motivational aspect in Singletary's coaching?

And no, we are not subscribing to your notion of Singletary as a miracle worker. I am saying that you, as well as others here, are exaggerating and dramatizing the impact of how Singletary is taking care of business with motivational speaking which is one of his vehicles for success.

Singletary's success will be based on his compilation of all his football skills especially at the NFL level. Motivation is but one of them and a very important one at that.

Maybe others are just hanging their hat on that one trait of Singletary's. Me? I believe that most underestimate what Singletary can do. I believe that he can succeed with this where Nolan failed.

I am ridiculing all the posters that think SING and his MOTIVATION will light a FIRE and suddenly make us a good team.

We have basically the same roster as last year. Only difference is Mike Nolan is no longer here. Mike Nolan was not the only problem with this team.

Which i'm sure you'll see by the end of the year. Then we can talk again!
No cause nothing has changed. Who have we added?
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by rigs49:
Can anyone honestly say that we have upgraded since last year? I mean what was done this off season to fix the pass rush?



"Sing, sing, sing...." "motivate, motivate, motivate......" "fire, fire, fire..." Get the hell outta here with all that noise.

Mike Singletary is not a miracle worker!

You know something, belief can work miracles...I have seen it for myself. When Joe believed that Coach Walsh was speakin' the truth, do you think that those precision drives came from doubt?

You may not believe Krizay, but many do and that, in itself, must be respected.

Motivation is simply a way to touch the soul to work that much harder...well, what the hell is wrong with that in the first place? Second, Singletary knows first hand what it takes to be a champion from anyone on that field. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Dang it, why in the world would anyone want to demean, ridicule, or undermine an established champion who only wants to share his experience to make us what we once were: CHAMPIONS.

I just don't get it...

On simply the issue of the pass-rush...nothing has changed except who is playing the SAM and WILL roles. One thing has changed and that is Manny Lawson becoming the other edge rusher instead of TBC or Green. That is it. I thought that was clearly said.

Is Manny it? We will see whether you like it or not. If you think Manny is there to "fix" the pass rush, then you will be happy. If not, oh well...there is next year's DE/OLB rich draft.

IMO, please support your team and root for Manny. He is, after all, our solution to the pass rush for now.

Still, why do people just demonstrate a negative, sarcastic view point toward a man who only knows how to win and will do everything to get there? Why?

For me, who gives a rat's azz...seriously? Our opinions don't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Instead, our support does.

That is what I focus on.

Go 49ers!



If by saying Sing isn't a miracle worker is demeaning or ridiculing him. Then I guess i'm guilty. You guys are expecting him to turn water into to wine just because of the way he talks.

Dude, you weren't being saracastic in your post above? You were ridiculing, mocking, making fun of the motivational aspect in Singletary's coaching?

And no, we are not subscribing to your notion of Singletary as a miracle worker. I am saying that you, as well as others here, are exaggerating and dramatizing the impact of how Singletary is taking care of business with motivational speaking which is one of his vehicles for success.

Singletary's success will be based on his compilation of all his football skills especially at the NFL level. Motivation is but one of them and a very important one at that.

Maybe others are just hanging their hat on that one trait of Singletary's. Me? I believe that most underestimate what Singletary can do. I believe that he can succeed with this where Nolan failed.

I am ridiculing all the posters that think SING and his MOTIVATION will light a FIRE and suddenly make us a good team.

We have basically the same roster as last year. Only difference is Mike Nolan is no longer here. Mike Nolan was not the only problem with this team.

Which i'm sure you'll see by the end of the year. Then we can talk again!

Do you put any stock in players improving or maturing or the concept of talented players living up to their potential due to better coaching? That's worth something, IMO.
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Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by rigs49:
Can anyone honestly say that we have upgraded since last year? I mean what was done this off season to fix the pass rush?



"Sing, sing, sing...." "motivate, motivate, motivate......" "fire, fire, fire..." Get the hell outta here with all that noise.

Mike Singletary is not a miracle worker!

You know something, belief can work miracles...I have seen it for myself. When Joe believed that Coach Walsh was speakin' the truth, do you think that those precision drives came from doubt?

You may not believe Krizay, but many do and that, in itself, must be respected.

Motivation is simply a way to touch the soul to work that much harder...well, what the hell is wrong with that in the first place? Second, Singletary knows first hand what it takes to be a champion from anyone on that field. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Dang it, why in the world would anyone want to demean, ridicule, or undermine an established champion who only wants to share his experience to make us what we once were: CHAMPIONS.

I just don't get it...

On simply the issue of the pass-rush...nothing has changed except who is playing the SAM and WILL roles. One thing has changed and that is Manny Lawson becoming the other edge rusher instead of TBC or Green. That is it. I thought that was clearly said.

Is Manny it? We will see whether you like it or not. If you think Manny is there to "fix" the pass rush, then you will be happy. If not, oh well...there is next year's DE/OLB rich draft.

IMO, please support your team and root for Manny. He is, after all, our solution to the pass rush for now.

Still, why do people just demonstrate a negative, sarcastic view point toward a man who only knows how to win and will do everything to get there? Why?

For me, who gives a rat's azz...seriously? Our opinions don't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Instead, our support does.

That is what I focus on.

Go 49ers!



If by saying Sing isn't a miracle worker is demeaning or ridiculing him. Then I guess i'm guilty. You guys are expecting him to turn water into to wine just because of the way he talks.

Dude, you weren't being saracastic in your post above? You were ridiculing, mocking, making fun of the motivational aspect in Singletary's coaching?

And no, we are not subscribing to your notion of Singletary as a miracle worker. I am saying that you, as well as others here, are exaggerating and dramatizing the impact of how Singletary is taking care of business with motivational speaking which is one of his vehicles for success.

Singletary's success will be based on his compilation of all his football skills especially at the NFL level. Motivation is but one of them and a very important one at that.

Maybe others are just hanging their hat on that one trait of Singletary's. Me? I believe that most underestimate what Singletary can do. I believe that he can succeed with this where Nolan failed.

True and i agree with what you are saying. My thing is a speech isn't gonna make a player that just doesn't have the talent all of the sudden have the talent. It might light a fire under a guys ass who has been lazy and not giving it his all. but a fiery speech isn't gonna make Manny a better pass rusher. Mike pushing him harder and harder in practice and Manny pushing himself and improving pass rush moves is what will make him better. I do believe the players will respect and work harder for singletary than they did for Nolan and that will be partly come from how he talks and commands there attention. But at the end of the day I just don't see the actual talent on this defense to expect a much improved pass rush. If it does I would call that an even more severe damage to Nolan's tenure and more props to sing and Manusky for solving that problem.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by rigs49:
Can anyone honestly say that we have upgraded since last year? I mean what was done this off season to fix the pass rush?



"Sing, sing, sing...." "motivate, motivate, motivate......" "fire, fire, fire..." Get the hell outta here with all that noise.

Mike Singletary is not a miracle worker!

You know something, belief can work miracles...I have seen it for myself. When Joe believed that Coach Walsh was speakin' the truth, do you think that those precision drives came from doubt?

You may not believe Krizay, but many do and that, in itself, must be respected.

Motivation is simply a way to touch the soul to work that much harder...well, what the hell is wrong with that in the first place? Second, Singletary knows first hand what it takes to be a champion from anyone on that field. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Dang it, why in the world would anyone want to demean, ridicule, or undermine an established champion who only wants to share his experience to make us what we once were: CHAMPIONS.

I just don't get it...

On simply the issue of the pass-rush...nothing has changed except who is playing the SAM and WILL roles. One thing has changed and that is Manny Lawson becoming the other edge rusher instead of TBC or Green. That is it. I thought that was clearly said.

Is Manny it? We will see whether you like it or not. If you think Manny is there to "fix" the pass rush, then you will be happy. If not, oh well...there is next year's DE/OLB rich draft.

IMO, please support your team and root for Manny. He is, after all, our solution to the pass rush for now.

Still, why do people just demonstrate a negative, sarcastic view point toward a man who only knows how to win and will do everything to get there? Why?

For me, who gives a rat's azz...seriously? Our opinions don't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Instead, our support does.

That is what I focus on.

Go 49ers!



If by saying Sing isn't a miracle worker is demeaning or ridiculing him. Then I guess i'm guilty. You guys are expecting him to turn water into to wine just because of the way he talks.

Dude, you weren't being saracastic in your post above? You were ridiculing, mocking, making fun of the motivational aspect in Singletary's coaching?

And no, we are not subscribing to your notion of Singletary as a miracle worker. I am saying that you, as well as others here, are exaggerating and dramatizing the impact of how Singletary is taking care of business with motivational speaking which is one of his vehicles for success.

Singletary's success will be based on his compilation of all his football skills especially at the NFL level. Motivation is but one of them and a very important one at that.

Maybe others are just hanging their hat on that one trait of Singletary's. Me? I believe that most underestimate what Singletary can do. I believe that he can succeed with this where Nolan failed.

True and i agree with what you are saying. My thing is a speech isn't gonna make a player that just doesn't have the talent all of the sudden have the talent. It might light a fire under a guys ass who has been lazy and not giving it his all. but a fiery speech isn't gonna make Manny a better pass rusher. Mike pushing him harder and harder in practice and Manny pushing himself and improving pass rush moves is what will make him better. I do believe the players will respect and work harder for singletary than they did for Nolan and that will be partly come from how he talks and commands there attention. But at the end of the day I just don't see the actual talent on this defense to expect a much improved pass rush. If it does I would call that an even more severe damage to Nolan's tenure and more props to sing and Manusky for solving that problem.

Thanks!

I hope I wasn't insinuating the bolded above because that was not my intent. Of course talent will not increase with motivational speaking...who did? Instead, it is a means to get more performance and shore up the will to continue.

Again, the only improvement to the pass-rush is Manny being in all all three downs and utilizing the other backup pass-rushers without TBC and Green. Now it could be Briggs, Brooks, Harris, Moore, etc. I know...some wouldn't even consider it and improvement...more of a status quo.

Maybe just a tiny improvement

I know that MD and others are calling the non drafting of a pass rusher as a failure of Scotty's but again, the hope is that Manny will be the WILL we want him to be.

If not, MD will be the first to give Manny his Cover-2 ticket and say



We will know quickly whether or not Manny's the guy...I hope he is.
Originally posted by krizay:

I am ridiculing all the posters that think SING and his MOTIVATION will light a FIRE and suddenly make us a good team. Don't need the caps, son. I know what you are saying...

We have basically the same roster as last year. Only difference is Mike Nolan is no longer here. Mike Nolan was not the only problem with this team.

Which i'm sure you'll see by the end of the year. Then we can talk again!


Nope, you are right...we can talk again at the end of the year...

This is not about winning arguments for me...never was. It was always about enlightenment and acknowledging respectfully a difference of opinion.

I really do hear what you say and just wanted some clarification and call out the negativity that seems to permeate through this site.

It is called a difference of opinion...you know like the one on Vernon Davis.
Haralson and Lawwson will both be beasts this year
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by rigs49:
Can anyone honestly say that we have upgraded since last year? I mean what was done this off season to fix the pass rush?



"Sing, sing, sing...." "motivate, motivate, motivate......" "fire, fire, fire..." Get the hell outta here with all that noise.

Mike Singletary is not a miracle worker!

You know something, belief can work miracles...I have seen it for myself. When Joe believed that Coach Walsh was speakin' the truth, do you think that those precision drives came from doubt?

You may not believe Krizay, but many do and that, in itself, must be respected.

Motivation is simply a way to touch the soul to work that much harder...well, what the hell is wrong with that in the first place? Second, Singletary knows first hand what it takes to be a champion from anyone on that field. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Dang it, why in the world would anyone want to demean, ridicule, or undermine an established champion who only wants to share his experience to make us what we once were: CHAMPIONS.

I just don't get it...

On simply the issue of the pass-rush...nothing has changed except who is playing the SAM and WILL roles. One thing has changed and that is Manny Lawson becoming the other edge rusher instead of TBC or Green. That is it. I thought that was clearly said.

Is Manny it? We will see whether you like it or not. If you think Manny is there to "fix" the pass rush, then you will be happy. If not, oh well...there is next year's DE/OLB rich draft.

IMO, please support your team and root for Manny. He is, after all, our solution to the pass rush for now.

Still, why do people just demonstrate a negative, sarcastic view point toward a man who only knows how to win and will do everything to get there? Why?

For me, who gives a rat's azz...seriously? Our opinions don't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Instead, our support does.

That is what I focus on.

Go 49ers!



If by saying Sing isn't a miracle worker is demeaning or ridiculing him. Then I guess i'm guilty. You guys are expecting him to turn water into to wine just because of the way he talks.

Dude, you weren't being saracastic in your post above? You were ridiculing, mocking, making fun of the motivational aspect in Singletary's coaching?

And no, we are not subscribing to your notion of Singletary as a miracle worker. I am saying that you, as well as others here, are exaggerating and dramatizing the impact of how Singletary is taking care of business with motivational speaking which is one of his vehicles for success.

Singletary's success will be based on his compilation of all his football skills especially at the NFL level. Motivation is but one of them and a very important one at that.

Maybe others are just hanging their hat on that one trait of Singletary's. Me? I believe that most underestimate what Singletary can do. I believe that he can succeed with this where Nolan failed.

True and i agree with what you are saying. My thing is a speech isn't gonna make a player that just doesn't have the talent all of the sudden have the talent. It might light a fire under a guys ass who has been lazy and not giving it his all. but a fiery speech isn't gonna make Manny a better pass rusher. Mike pushing him harder and harder in practice and Manny pushing himself and improving pass rush moves is what will make him better. I do believe the players will respect and work harder for singletary than they did for Nolan and that will be partly come from how he talks and commands there attention. But at the end of the day I just don't see the actual talent on this defense to expect a much improved pass rush. If it does I would call that an even more severe damage to Nolan's tenure and more props to sing and Manusky for solving that problem.

Thanks!

I hope I wasn't insinuating the bolded above because that was not my intent. Of course talent will not increase with motivational speaking...who did? Instead, it is a means to get more performance and shore up the will to continue.

Again, the only improvement to the pass-rush is Manny being in all all three downs and utilizing the other backup pass-rushers without TBC and Green. Now it could be Briggs, Brooks, Harris, Moore, etc. I know...some wouldn't even consider it and improvement...more of a status quo.

Maybe just a tiny improvement

I know that MD and others are calling the non drafting of a pass rusher as a failure of Scotty's but again, the hope is that Manny will be the WILL we want him to be.

If not, MD will be the first to give Manny his Cover-2 ticket and say



We will know quickly whether or not Manny's the guy...I hope he is.

I think the team really needed to address the pass rusher position. But the way it played out there wasn't much for them to do. they couldn't pass on Crabtree imo. and i wasn't that high on Brown so I didn't mind trading that pick to Carolina. Free agency just didn't have that quality of guys most of us thought. The problem is though that over the years they should have been taking flyers on pass rushers instead of wasting picks on Reggis smith and Cody Wallace. the problem can't be fixed in one draft or one free agency period. I guess where we just really diffe is that you think Manny will get the job done or at least be improved while i just don't think he has the pass rushing talent. I hope i'm wrong but time will tell.
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Well, we were middle of the pack in sacks last year (tied for 16th with three other teams with 30 sacks) so there is definitely room for improvement. That said, I still think that one of our first round picks next year will be spent on a blue chip pass rusher.

I think our pass rush is about the same as last year. I certainly hope I'm wrong.

How many of those were after Mike took over?
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Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Well, we were middle of the pack in sacks last year (tied for 16th with three other teams with 30 sacks) so there is definitely room for improvement. That said, I still think that one of our first round picks next year will be spent on a blue chip pass rusher.

I think our pass rush is about the same as last year. I certainly hope I'm wrong.

How many of those were after Mike took over?

17

with 7 of those coming against the rams. 3 more versus the Bills. 10 sacks in 3 games versus teams in the top 10 in sacks allowed.

Which leaves 7 sacks for the other 6 games. So unless we play teams with horrible O-lines..............
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ninertico:
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by rigs49:
Can anyone honestly say that we have upgraded since last year? I mean what was done this off season to fix the pass rush?



"Sing, sing, sing...." "motivate, motivate, motivate......" "fire, fire, fire..." Get the hell outta here with all that noise.

Mike Singletary is not a miracle worker!

You know something, belief can work miracles...I have seen it for myself. When Joe believed that Coach Walsh was speakin' the truth, do you think that those precision drives came from doubt?

You may not believe Krizay, but many do and that, in itself, must be respected.

Motivation is simply a way to touch the soul to work that much harder...well, what the hell is wrong with that in the first place? Second, Singletary knows first hand what it takes to be a champion from anyone on that field. I trust he knows what he's doing.

Dang it, why in the world would anyone want to demean, ridicule, or undermine an established champion who only wants to share his experience to make us what we once were: CHAMPIONS.

I just don't get it...

On simply the issue of the pass-rush...nothing has changed except who is playing the SAM and WILL roles. One thing has changed and that is Manny Lawson becoming the other edge rusher instead of TBC or Green. That is it. I thought that was clearly said.

Is Manny it? We will see whether you like it or not. If you think Manny is there to "fix" the pass rush, then you will be happy. If not, oh well...there is next year's DE/OLB rich draft.

IMO, please support your team and root for Manny. He is, after all, our solution to the pass rush for now.

Still, why do people just demonstrate a negative, sarcastic view point toward a man who only knows how to win and will do everything to get there? Why?

For me, who gives a rat's azz...seriously? Our opinions don't matter in the bigger scheme of things. Instead, our support does.

That is what I focus on.

Go 49ers!



If by saying Sing isn't a miracle worker is demeaning or ridiculing him. Then I guess i'm guilty. You guys are expecting him to turn water into to wine just because of the way he talks.

Dude, you weren't being saracastic in your post above? You were ridiculing, mocking, making fun of the motivational aspect in Singletary's coaching?

And no, we are not subscribing to your notion of Singletary as a miracle worker. I am saying that you, as well as others here, are exaggerating and dramatizing the impact of how Singletary is taking care of business with motivational speaking which is one of his vehicles for success.

Singletary's success will be based on his compilation of all his football skills especially at the NFL level. Motivation is but one of them and a very important one at that.

Maybe others are just hanging their hat on that one trait of Singletary's. Me? I believe that most underestimate what Singletary can do. I believe that he can succeed with this where Nolan failed.

True and i agree with what you are saying. My thing is a speech isn't gonna make a player that just doesn't have the talent all of the sudden have the talent. It might light a fire under a guys ass who has been lazy and not giving it his all. but a fiery speech isn't gonna make Manny a better pass rusher. Mike pushing him harder and harder in practice and Manny pushing himself and improving pass rush moves is what will make him better. I do believe the players will respect and work harder for singletary than they did for Nolan and that will be partly come from how he talks and commands there attention. But at the end of the day I just don't see the actual talent on this defense to expect a much improved pass rush. If it does I would call that an even more severe damage to Nolan's tenure and more props to sing and Manusky for solving that problem.

Thanks!

I hope I wasn't insinuating the bolded above because that was not my intent. Of course talent will not increase with motivational speaking...who did? Instead, it is a means to get more performance and shore up the will to continue.

Again, the only improvement to the pass-rush is Manny being in all all three downs and utilizing the other backup pass-rushers without TBC and Green. Now it could be Briggs, Brooks, Harris, Moore, etc. I know...some wouldn't even consider it and improvement...more of a status quo.

Maybe just a tiny improvement

I know that MD and others are calling the non drafting of a pass rusher as a failure of Scotty's but again, the hope is that Manny will be the WILL we want him to be.

If not, MD will be the first to give Manny his Cover-2 ticket and say



We will know quickly whether or not Manny's the guy...I hope he is.

You know me too well. I've been on a Free Manny campaign for a couple years now. Square peg, round hole.
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Well, we were middle of the pack in sacks last year (tied for 16th with three other teams with 30 sacks) so there is definitely room for improvement. That said, I still think that one of our first round picks next year will be spent on a blue chip pass rusher.

I think our pass rush is about the same as last year. I certainly hope I'm wrong.

How many of those were after Mike took over?

17 sacks in 9 games under Singletary.
Originally posted by krizay:
Originally posted by ObePwnD:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Well, we were middle of the pack in sacks last year (tied for 16th with three other teams with 30 sacks) so there is definitely room for improvement. That said, I still think that one of our first round picks next year will be spent on a blue chip pass rusher.

I think our pass rush is about the same as last year. I certainly hope I'm wrong.

How many of those were after Mike took over?

17

with 7 of those coming against the rams. 3 more versus the Bills. 10 sacks in 3 games versus teams in the top 10 in sacks allowed.

Which leaves 7 sacks for the other 6 games. So unless we play teams with horrible O-lines..............

I think Kriz is saying that Coaching can take you jusst so far. If the talent isnt there, theres no point. Trying to light a fire under guys like TBC and Green wasnt exactly gonna make them great pass rushers. So far as what most people have seen Manny hasnt exactly jumped out with his uber pass rush skills. Yeh sure limited opportunities but Parys did somthing with his limited opportunities so did Gore in 05 etc.

You guys do understand Manny is just being handed the job. He hasnt exactly beat anyone out for it...well fr the sole reason theres noone worth it on our roster. Thats most of these poster's beef. We havent upgraded our roster. Just a coaching staff isnt going to do much.
Originally posted by KknighthawkK_9er:
Originally posted by MadDog49er:
This team had a chance to upgrade the pass rush, and failed miserably in this draft. We will all look back at some point, scratch our heads, and ask why we didn't draft Lawrence Sidbury, who is off to a super start for the Falcons. I graded him as a mid-third rounder.

Adding Evans will help, and having a more aggressive scheme will help. However, we need to free Manny to a Tampa 2 team that needs a quick backer and pick up another pass rusher who can get after the QB. It is simply not Manny's strength.

Here has been my problem with our defense for about 4 years now: Which two players are most critical in a 3-4 defense? The NT and Will backer. The Niners have never seriously addressed these issues, and that has always held our defense back. The only time we attempted to fill these roles was with Manny at Will, and that experiment bombed.

Since the Niners refuse to fill these positions with top level talent, I continue to advocate that they abandon the 3-4, and play a 4-3. This will maximize Manny and Patrick's talent.

Why do you think that Manny would be better in a 4-3, Tampa 2? He has never played in that system before. People think he is "great" in pass coverage, but I don't agree with that statement. Even worse is the fact that we have nobody to man the other OLB spot. Parys is NOT a 4-3 OLB. Neither is Spikes. Our DL might better be served, but our LB corps takes a big hit.

We need to give the system, and the players within it a full season to see what they can do. Let's judge results after the fact instead of hypothesizing.

We have been hypothesizing for 4 years already. How many more years are necessary to realize that we do not have the personnel to make a dynamic 3-4 defense because we neglect to pick up a serious pass-rushing threat.

As for Manny in the Tampa-2, this is the perfect scheme for him. Manny needs to play off the LOS and run in space. Teams would love to use his speed and ability to cover TE's on the field.

You are right that Spikes is not a 4-3 backer. Fine, he's probably retired at the end of this year, and is on the downside of his career. We are not going to build the defense around him.

Parys has played the 4-3 position for our team in that defensive scheme. Now, might not be best in a base 4-3, so it could be that the DE position is best for him. However, once again, we are not going to build our defense around Haralson.

Manny clearly best his best NFL ball when the Niners flipped him from the Will to the Sam in 2006 and after the Niners switched to the 4-3 defense.