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Originally posted by bigmike55:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Why on earth would a team with two first rounders next year want to hassle with trying to rehabilitate Michael Vick? Come on.

Because we could use those two first round picks to draft stud defensive players, possibly a stud safety and defense tackle or lineman.

Vick is a playmaker, end of story. Regardless of what you feel about his off field conduct, you have to admit, he will make plays, first downs, and score touchdowns for whatever team that he lands on.

I personally wouldn't mind him. I dont think Singletary would deal with his drama though, I'm sure he would set Vick straight.

Vick is not a passer. We don't need a glorified RB, we need a damn QB. Vick has proven to be a bad QUARTERBACK. I don't give a damn if he "makes plays" that wind up on the highlight reel, I want a damn QB.
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Why on earth would a team with two first rounders next year want to hassle with trying to rehabilitate Michael Vick? Come on.

Because we could use those two first round picks to draft stud defensive players, possibly a stud safety and defense tackle or lineman.

Vick is a playmaker, end of story. Regardless of what you feel about his off field conduct, you have to admit, he will make plays, first downs, and score touchdowns for whatever team that he lands on.

I personally wouldn't mind him. I dont think Singletary would deal with his drama though, I'm sure he would set Vick straight.

Vick is not a passer. We don't need a glorified RB, we need a damn QB. Vick has proven to be a bad QUARTERBACK. I don't give a damn if he "makes plays" that wind up on the highlight reel, I want a damn QB.

We have a QB, we have 3 of them. Shaun Hill, Alex Smith (), and Nate Davis. I never said i wanted Vick to play as our QB at all. I said he would be a playmaker and help us score points, and ultimately win games. So lets say we end up signing Vick, and he doesn't play QB, but plays RB/Return Man/WildCat etc. And we use him and win games... would that change your opinion of him?

I'm not totally for signing Vick, nor am I against the idea completely. I'm just saying, being that the 49ers were mentioned in the list of teams that might possibly sign Vick, I figured we'd debate and discuss possibilities. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Originally posted by BillWalsh:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Why on earth would a team with two first rounders next year want to hassle with trying to rehabilitate Michael Vick? Come on.

Because we could use those two first round picks to draft stud defensive players, possibly a stud safety and defense tackle or lineman.

Vick is a playmaker, end of story. Regardless of what you feel about his off field conduct, you have to admit, he will make plays, first downs, and score touchdowns for whatever team that he lands on.

I personally wouldn't mind him. I dont think Singletary would deal with his drama though, I'm sure he would set Vick straight.

Vick will have trouble scratching 50 percent completion percentage on his throws. He is usually one of the most sacked QB's in football. He hasn't played football for 2 years and lead a dog fighting ring for years before being busted. He's 6 feet tall and has trouble finding his recievers over his linemen's heads and is an injury waiting to happen seeing how he hasn't taken a hit in 2 years. I would rather have Alex Smith starting the entire season then sign Vick.

Like I mentioned already, IF Vick were to be a 49er, I wouldn't want him to be our starting QB. I would want him to be utilized as an offensive weapon, wherever on the field that may be. Or even as a return man.

And if you would rather have Alex Smith start the entire season than sign Vick, you must not like Alex Smith very much. I know I don't.
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers --- ...Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated.

Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

Why do all the media folks have this bizarre fetish for Michael Vick and keep bringing him up when all anybody wants is for this guy to go away?

Any talk of any team signing him is rubbish. It's a P.R. nightmare and locker-room disruption that would put the T.O. show to shame.

I can't believe any organization would be that stupid.
Originally posted by bigmike55:
Originally posted by AB83Rules:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
Hopefully he's better than his pops. His dad was a penny pinching douche.

It's all about penny pinching! lol

I don't mind penny pinching at the grocery store or at the shopping center, but from what I recall, Debartolo didn't mind spending money signing key players that led us to the promise land.

thats the biggest misconception with York, he has spent yr after yr that he has had the cap room, Nate, Jonas, Lewis, Justin Smith, Ron Stone, Newberry, Beasley, Tony Parrish, Hearst, all got big deals.

the only reason we didnt extend guys like TO and JP, was they wanted ludicrious deals.

So, i dont buy the penny pinching bs excuse anymore, its all pure BS IMO.

"Nate, Jonas, Lewis, Justin Smith, Ron Stone, Newberry, Beasley, Tony Parrish, Hearst"

Out of all these big signings, the only ones I think turned out positive for the 49ers are Justin Smith, Newberry, Beasley, and Hearst.

Nate Clements got 80 mill for being a hard hitting, physical corner. Michael Lewis is mediocre. Ron Stone was hurt too often, and Tony Parrish was another Michael Lewis.

come on man Parrish another Michael Lewis? Parrish was a beast. When Lance everyone was kinda upset cause Lance was pretty good but Parrish..damn he had a turnover in 8 games or so straight. He played one whole season with a club on his hand and he still got interceptions. No sir Parrish was definetly worth every penny!
Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers --- ...Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated.

Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

Why do all the media folks have this bizarre fetish for Michael Vick and keep bringing him up when all anybody wants is for this guy to go away?

Any talk of any team signing him is rubbish. It's a P.R. nightmare and locker-room disruption that would put the T.O. show to shame.

I can't believe any organization would be that stupid.

Are you kidding? More than one organization will be in pursuit of Vick. Whether or not you like him as a person, he was a playmaker. He WILL eventually help whatever team he lands on -- I would be happy if Vick landed in San Fran (not as a starting QB). Put the ball in Vick's hands 6-10 times a game, whether it be throwing or running, he would produce. To slowly reacclimate him into the NFL would be the best way to do it.

And, personally, I feel he has paid his debt to society in a way and the only way to really remake a name for himself is to become a philanthropist in ways that he helps the community of whatever team he lands on. He lost his house, his reputation, his dignity, his job, and respect from everyone. It's time to rebuild and if nobody believes he should get another chance then I feel that is somewhat unfair.

But I agree, if the team doesn't win or if Vick does something stupid, it would be a PR nightmare.
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by SanFranAddic:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers --- ...Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated.

Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

Why do all the media folks have this bizarre fetish for Michael Vick and keep bringing him up when all anybody wants is for this guy to go away?

Any talk of any team signing him is rubbish. It's a P.R. nightmare and locker-room disruption that would put the T.O. show to shame.

I can't believe any organization would be that stupid.

Are you kidding? More than one organization will be in pursuit of Vick. Whether or not you like him as a person, he was a playmaker. He WILL eventually help whatever team he lands on -- I would be happy if Vick landed in San Fran (not as a starting QB). Put the ball in Vick's hands 6-10 times a game, whether it be throwing or running, he would produce. To slowly reacclimate him into the NFL would be the best way to do it.

And, personally, I feel he has paid his debt to society in a way and the only way to really remake a name for himself is to become a philanthropist in ways that he helps the community of whatever team he lands on. He lost his house, his reputation, his dignity, his job, and respect from everyone. It's time to rebuild and if nobody believes he should get another chance then I feel that is somewhat unfair.

But I agree, if the team doesn't win or if Vick does something stupid, it would be a PR nightmare.

I agree with you one hundred percent. I would really like Vick on the team I don't understand why people say he is a locker room cancer I don't recall him ever being selfish or calling coaches or teamates out. I wouldn't want him as a QB but definatly as a slah type player. I think he has made up for his mistakes as well I mean didn't ray lewis stab a guy? And he is a huge figure in NFL. People forgive murderes all the time and they killed a human being vick killed dogs idc a humans life is worth so much more. People are being unfair to the guy imo
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thats the biggest misconception with York, he has spent yr after yr that he has had the cap room, Nate, Jonas, Lewis, Justin Smith, Ron Stone, Newberry, Beasley, Tony Parrish, Hearst, all got big deals.

the only reason we didnt extend guys like TO and JP, was they wanted ludicrious deals.

So, i dont buy the penny pinching bs excuse anymore, its all pure BS IMO.


Agreed! You can't blame the Yorks for everything...Nolan had the tools to succeed!
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers -– Quarterback remains the biggest weakness for this team. Shaun Hill is a good custodian of the offense, but the 49ers need a real playmaker at the position to help take some of the pressure off RB Frank Gore. Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated. The defense will be good, and while the offense will not be spectacular, it should be consistent."


Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

He got 2 outta the 4 teams rite, the Raiders and Bengals don't have a legit shot at the playoffs.
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers -– Quarterback remains the biggest weakness for this team. Shaun Hill is a good custodian of the offense, but the 49ers need a real playmaker at the position to help take some of the pressure off RB Frank Gore. Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated. The defense will be good, and while the offense will not be spectacular, it should be consistent."


Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

He got 2 outta the 4 teams rite, the Raiders and Bengals don't have a legit shot at the playoffs.

I dunno... I'm not an avid Raider hater like some 49er fans, and I feel they really do have factors that can take you on a run to the playoffs:

1) A weak division. The Chiefs and Broncos are s**t teams with bad defenses and not much better offenses. The Chargers are the Chargers, and I feel they will be the only legitimate threat to the Raiders within the division.
2) An incredible running game. Although their O-Line isn't fantastic, it blocks well enough to give Justin Fargas, Darren McFadden, and Michael Bush time to see holes and run through them. Watching their 3-headed beast of a rushing attack was actually interesting considering how effective it was. Also, toward the end of the season, JaMarcus Russell began to let the pressure slide off his shoulders through the ability of his rushing game. This opened up PA and dump-offs that gave him confidence. Also, the chemistry with Zach Miller increased as he became Russell's #1 target. The whole team improved over the last couple of games.
3) Their defense. While it may not be a top-10 defense, when you can sweep division rivals and put on a challenge for the best team in your division, you always have a chance. They have the speed in the secondary to catch anyone and make up for a mistake in coverage. Asomugha is great, and Chris Johnson showed marked improvement at the end of the year as well. Also, their linebackers in Howard and Morrison cover well and attack the QB.

I believe they will be able to make a run at the AFC West crown. However, the Al Davis curse still lays within the team so who knows?
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers -– Quarterback remains the biggest weakness for this team. Shaun Hill is a good custodian of the offense, but the 49ers need a real playmaker at the position to help take some of the pressure off RB Frank Gore. Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated. The defense will be good, and while the offense will not be spectacular, it should be consistent."


Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

He got 2 outta the 4 teams rite, the Raiders and Bengals don't have a legit shot at the playoffs.

I dunno... I'm not an avid Raider hater like some 49er fans, and I feel they really do have factors that can take you on a run to the playoffs:

1) A weak division. The Chiefs and Broncos are s**t teams with bad defenses and not much better offenses. The Chargers are the Chargers, and I feel they will be the only legitimate threat to the Raiders within the division.
2) An incredible running game. Although their O-Line isn't fantastic, it blocks well enough to give Justin Fargas, Darren McFadden, and Michael Bush time to see holes and run through them. Watching their 3-headed beast of a rushing attack was actually interesting considering how effective it was. Also, toward the end of the season, JaMarcus Russell began to let the pressure slide off his shoulders through the ability of his rushing game. This opened up PA and dump-offs that gave him confidence. Also, the chemistry with Zach Miller increased as he became Russell's #1 target. The whole team improved over the last couple of games.
3) Their defense. While it may not be a top-10 defense, when you can sweep division rivals and put on a challenge for the best team in your division, you always have a chance. They have the speed in the secondary to catch anyone and make up for a mistake in coverage. Asomugha is great, and Chris Johnson showed marked improvement at the end of the year as well. Also, their linebackers in Howard and Morrison cover well and attack the QB.

I believe they will be able to make a run at the AFC West crown. However, the Al Davis curse still lays within the team so who knows?

Woah there is no way in hell they get past the Chargers, SD could go to the Super Bowl, Oakland is in the 20's in terms of best teams, the other 2 in the division yeah sure they can get past sucky KC and Josh McMoron's team, but the Chargers come on now.
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers -– Quarterback remains the biggest weakness for this team. Shaun Hill is a good custodian of the offense, but the 49ers need a real playmaker at the position to help take some of the pressure off RB Frank Gore. Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated. The defense will be good, and while the offense will not be spectacular, it should be consistent."


Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

He got 2 outta the 4 teams rite, the Raiders and Bengals don't have a legit shot at the playoffs.

I dunno... I'm not an avid Raider hater like some 49er fans, and I feel they really do have factors that can take you on a run to the playoffs:

1) A weak division. The Chiefs and Broncos are s**t teams with bad defenses and not much better offenses. The Chargers are the Chargers, and I feel they will be the only legitimate threat to the Raiders within the division.
2) An incredible running game. Although their O-Line isn't fantastic, it blocks well enough to give Justin Fargas, Darren McFadden, and Michael Bush time to see holes and run through them. Watching their 3-headed beast of a rushing attack was actually interesting considering how effective it was. Also, toward the end of the season, JaMarcus Russell began to let the pressure slide off his shoulders through the ability of his rushing game. This opened up PA and dump-offs that gave him confidence. Also, the chemistry with Zach Miller increased as he became Russell's #1 target. The whole team improved over the last couple of games.
3) Their defense. While it may not be a top-10 defense, when you can sweep division rivals and put on a challenge for the best team in your division, you always have a chance. They have the speed in the secondary to catch anyone and make up for a mistake in coverage. Asomugha is great, and Chris Johnson showed marked improvement at the end of the year as well. Also, their linebackers in Howard and Morrison cover well and attack the QB.

I believe they will be able to make a run at the AFC West crown. However, the Al Davis curse still lays within the team so who knows?

Woah there is no way in hell they get past the Chargers
, SD could go to the Super Bowl, Oakland is in the 20's in terms of best teams, the other 2 in the division yeah sure they can get past sucky KC and Josh McMoron's team, but the Chargers come on now.

I'm not so sure. Their pass defense finished 31st last year, they lost C Jeremy Newberry, and there are still question marks about Merriman being the same player as he was before the ACL tear. They also lost Igor Olshansky, who although wasn't dominant -- he was solid for their team. They drafted Larry English, who many experts felt was a reach, and the depth at both LB and DL is pretty slim. I DO believe, tho, that barring injury, the Chargers will be a 10-6 to 11-5 team and win the division. LT is also injury prone and is questioned in his decline at running back. Chris Chambers has been relatively uneffective after coming over from the Dolphins.
Now, I don't dispute that they are the elite of that division at ALL, but I'm just making the case that if the Raiders can steal a home game against them and do well in inter-divisional games, there is a CHANCE that they can be a playoff team. The title of the post is "most dangerous" and I feel that they could be if they split the series with San Diego. It just all depends on if their running game can be consistent and effective and if J.Russell can manage the game. And they have a good QB in Jeff Garcia waiting in the helm if they don't. Last time I checked JG has played very solid in the past few years.
Originally posted by AKfanster:
I can't believe what I'm reading???? Did Jamie Dukes just say something positive about the Niners??!! WOW

keep watching...i'm sure he'll contradict himself before it's over.
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by waiting4number6:
Originally posted by bigmike55:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/put-up-your-dukes/

"San Francisco 49ers -– Quarterback remains the biggest weakness for this team. Shaun Hill is a good custodian of the offense, but the 49ers need a real playmaker at the position to help take some of the pressure off RB Frank Gore. Too bad Eddie DeBartolo isn’t still with the organization because he would have the guts to sign Michael Vick once he is reinstated. The defense will be good, and while the offense will not be spectacular, it should be consistent."


Along with us are the Raiders, Seahawks, and Bengals. oh well...

playoffs baby.

He got 2 outta the 4 teams rite, the Raiders and Bengals don't have a legit shot at the playoffs.

I dunno... I'm not an avid Raider hater like some 49er fans, and I feel they really do have factors that can take you on a run to the playoffs:

1) A weak division. The Chiefs and Broncos are s**t teams with bad defenses and not much better offenses. The Chargers are the Chargers, and I feel they will be the only legitimate threat to the Raiders within the division.
2) An incredible running game. Although their O-Line isn't fantastic, it blocks well enough to give Justin Fargas, Darren McFadden, and Michael Bush time to see holes and run through them. Watching their 3-headed beast of a rushing attack was actually interesting considering how effective it was. Also, toward the end of the season, JaMarcus Russell began to let the pressure slide off his shoulders through the ability of his rushing game. This opened up PA and dump-offs that gave him confidence. Also, the chemistry with Zach Miller increased as he became Russell's #1 target. The whole team improved over the last couple of games.
3) Their defense. While it may not be a top-10 defense, when you can sweep division rivals and put on a challenge for the best team in your division, you always have a chance. They have the speed in the secondary to catch anyone and make up for a mistake in coverage. Asomugha is great, and Chris Johnson showed marked improvement at the end of the year as well. Also, their linebackers in Howard and Morrison cover well and attack the QB.

I believe they will be able to make a run at the AFC West crown. However, the Al Davis curse still lays within the team so who knows?

Woah there is no way in hell they get past the Chargers
, SD could go to the Super Bowl, Oakland is in the 20's in terms of best teams, the other 2 in the division yeah sure they can get past sucky KC and Josh McMoron's team, but the Chargers come on now.

I'm not so sure. Their pass defense finished 31st last year, they lost C Jeremy Newberry, and there are still question marks about Merriman being the same player as he was before the ACL tear. They also lost Igor Olshansky, who although wasn't dominant -- he was solid for their team. They drafted Larry English, who many experts felt was a reach, and the depth at both LB and DL is pretty slim. I DO believe, tho, that barring injury, the Chargers will be a 10-6 to 11-5 team and win the division. LT is also injury prone and is questioned in his decline at running back. Chris Chambers has been relatively uneffective after coming over from the Dolphins.
Now, I don't dispute that they are the elite of that division at ALL, but I'm just making the case that if the Raiders can steal a home game against them and do well in inter-divisional games, there is a CHANCE that they can be a playoff team. The title of the post is "most dangerous" and I feel that they could be if they split the series with San Diego. It just all depends on if their running game can be consistent and effective and if J.Russell can manage the game. And they have a good QB in Jeff Garcia waiting in the helm if they don't. Last time I checked JG has played very solid in the past few years.

Cesaire is a solid guy to replace Igor, Phil found a way to get the passing yards and passing game going every game, and as of now the Chargers and LT own Oakland. LT went for 1000 yds last year and if he's healthy this year he'll be fine. English was taken cuz all he can do is get to the QB so him and the defense was that bad last year cuz they couldn't run their system, Lights Out being back along with English along with Cromartie being healthy will get the defense back to normal, and by the time Garcia if and when comes into the fold the Raiders will be like 2-7, they may be 2nd, but since it's the AFC West it won't matter.
Originally posted by Grigga2021:
Originally posted by AKfanster:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Why on earth would a team with two first rounders next year want to hassle with trying to rehabilitate Michael Vick? Come on.

Ya, I'm about tired of hearing "Vick" and "49ers" in the same senctence. I'd rather take my chances with Huard than Vick

Thats statement is just plain ridiculous


Ya, maybe from a talent stand point. I'd still rather have a more traditional passing QB over a glorrified RB that can make a couple throws.