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Which play did Nate get burnt on worse?

Moss Vs Clements

Owens Vs Clements

Ok I saw the Randy Moss play live... and it was pretty sick... I remember just being disgusted at that point so it didn't really burn... The T.O. play I watched on TV... that one pissed me off cuz it was T.O., and anytime he s**ts on us, I start living in the past and get pissed that we let him go...u know... all that stuff...

Then on both plays, there is the issue of not having adequate safety help. My vote would have to go to the T.O. play and here's why. On the Moss play, he just ran up the seem full speed... split the defenders... untouched, and was gone. No Contact, no physicality... just a pure deep play. If Walt doesn't slip, maybe that TD doesn't happen... regardless though Clements’s did get his ass handed to him, not as much so as Harris.

Now on the T.O. play He totally ad libbed... it wasn't scripted... he jukes Clements then just runs right THROUGH him... catches the ball and basically tosses Clements's off him like a rag doll. Now Clements is known for his hand strength and you could see him trying to drag Owens down or rip the ball out... but T.O. wasn't having it... I think he got burnt on this play way more...

The Owens play falls on Nate's hands... whereas the Moss play lands on the hands of both Nate and Walt equally...

So I guess u can answer both of these questions about these videos:

1. Which play pissed you off more?

2. Which play did Clements get burnt worse on?
TO embarrassed the Niners last year
i personally think the play against moss! i was at that game in the endzone they scored in. that had to be a 60+ yard play! and it was a post! he burnt clements and walt harris! FML!
TO...cuz he got b***hed towards the endzone.
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1) I think it's pretty cool we can see each individual play. Pretty neat.

2) I think the Owen's play was worse because he was caught flat footed. On the Moss play it was a simple speed thing and it was the perfect pattern to beat the cover-2.

Owens, though, fakes the out, freezes Clements, then cuts back and blows by him. He even runs into him because Clements is so flat footed.

Then Clements goes for the ball and not the tackle.

Fail. Then Fail.
First of all, On the Randy Moss play, I dont' know if you guys noticed the defense they were playing, but clements was like 10 yards off in the stupid a** Zone defense that always gets burned when nolan puts it in. Randy moss was already in full stride where he wasn't disruptied by the time nate had to turn and run with him. Of course you're gonna get burned when the WR is already in full stride.

Secondly, In the case of Owens, every time Romo went to pass, he had virtually 7-8 seconds to throw the ball. NO PASS RUSH WHATSOEVER! I dont know how you plan to stop a top flight WR when the qb has all day to throw the ball.
Take out that touchdown pass to moss and he only had 45 yards total. wow.
T.O. pwned Clements all day long. He looked like a rook out there.
[ Edited by WheresWaldo on Jul 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM ]
Notice that we were in the lead until both of these plays happened.
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he clearly gets toasted on the TO one more. competley faked out.

harris takes a TERRIBLE angle on the randy play....tough to blame Nate 100% for that one.
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
First of all, On the Randy Moss play, I dont' know if you guys noticed the defense they were playing, but clements was like 10 yards off in the stupid a** Zone defense that always gets burned when nolan puts it in. Randy moss was already in full stride where he wasn't disruptied by the time nate had to turn and run with him. Of course you're gonna get burned when the WR is already in full stride.

Secondly, In the case of Owens, every time Romo went to pass, he had virtually 7-8 seconds to throw the ball. NO PASS RUSH WHATSOEVER! I dont know how you plan to stop a top flight WR when the qb has all day to throw the ball.

Maybe, if you noticed in the video, Romo was under serious pressure but he escaped it by stepping up in the pocket. Not saying we pressure on him all game, but that play, we certainly did.
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Don't hate on big money nate
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If you go back and look at that play vs. TO, you'd see why he actually got burnt. Clements got caught looking in the backfield, when the play was broken down, and wasn't prepared or aware for that deep pass to TO till it was too late. And failing to wrap up the tackle instead of trying to make TO fumble didn't help either. And go back to the play by play of that game you'd see Mark Roman was responsible for 80 yards of TO's.
T.O's play probably, but were was Roman on both of those plays hmmm?
Originally posted by FriscoKid220:
First of all, On the Randy Moss play, I dont' know if you guys noticed the defense they were playing, but clements was like 10 yards off in the stupid a** Zone defense that always gets burned when nolan puts it in. Randy moss was already in full stride where he wasn't disruptied by the time nate had to turn and run with him. Of course you're gonna get burned when the WR is already in full stride.

Secondly, In the case of Owens, every time Romo went to pass, he had virtually 7-8 seconds to throw the ball. NO PASS RUSH WHATSOEVER! I dont know how you plan to stop a top flight WR when the qb has all day to throw the ball.

I want to rip my hair out when I see every defensive player on the TV screen except the corners because our coaches put them back so far. I'm not an NFL coach by any means, but it would make more sense to me if Harris to play back further and let Clements jam at the LOS most of the time. Clements is a physical corner, and when a WR has a 10 yard mark to get up to full speed, a lot of Clements' abilities are not able to be utilized.