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Can Ricky Jean-Francois be the GOAT @ lineman?

Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by titan:
I hope he becomes better than Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Warren Sapp! If not I hope he can be solid, solid like 80 tackles and 10 sacks.

yes please

And I hope I win the lottery. The odds on either eventuality are slimmer than Posh Spice, though
Originally posted by titan:
I hope he becomes better than Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Warren Sapp! If not I hope he can be solid, solid like 80 tackles and 10 sacks.

10 sacks? Pass the doobie.
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Originally posted by TexasNiner:


While it's true we have struck gold in the past (though not as often as we, and every team in the NFL haven't with late picks/UDFAs), I just think we have to be very careful with this philosphy. Plus we don't exactly have Bill Walsh making those choices any longer.


Our team has been set back years by trying to make Tim Rattay types the answer at key positions. And that is my major concern. If we added players we hope can be far better values than their draft position as depth players/projects who we hope will help us someday, I'm fine with that. After all, we have to take SOMEBODY with our late round picks and every teams picks up UDFAs.

But when the only players we add at key positions are those caliber of players, I worry that we are depending too much on longshots. If we had signed/drafted a stud pass rusher AND taken RJF, it would be one thing.

But when we do nothing other than hope either the guys we have suddenly get much better and/or that 7th rounders or UDFAs are going to make enough impact to significantly improve the team, I really have to question that approach.

And when you start hyping up late rounders and UDFAs as "mid round values", I think it just adds to the problem. You are fooling yourself into thinking (hoping) that you have added more than you really have.

Like I said, adding those guys and hoping for something more out of them is fine. If they are projects/backup plans. If they are a major factor in how you expect to improve the team, you are likely setting yourself up for failure.

Far more late rounders/UDFAs perform as such than become stud NFL players. For most, even making the roster and performing well on special teams is considered a success.

It's just the difference, to me, of FINDING someone there who happens to exceed expectations when they were not necessarily drafted to be an impact player, and LOOKING to fill a hole with someone you draft there and hoping that they will outperform their draft spot when you don't do anything else to shore up that position.

I understand thinking RJF may have some potential, the hope that we got a steal. But when he is pretty much all we added to improve our pass rush, I really wonder if we aren't putting too much stock in that philosophy.

That's where I disagree with your first statement, the success of our past late rounders or UDFA have nothing to do with philosophy. But really players stepping up and doing their jobs when their number is called. Its wasn't philosophy that put us in that position, but rather forced into it, due to bad management of our salary cap from the past. And its not just Bill Walsh who found gems or used late round picks, its been that way till this present day.


Again, I have to disagree with you on your Tim Rattay comparisons. It all relates to our 1st round picks not working out and poor management to salary cap space (in regards to the 2003-2004 seasons). But even the case with, Pary's Haralson, Josh Morgan and Dashon Goldson, you can't but help they just step up when their number is called, its not philosophy.

And finally, as for RJF, I think he has less to do with our addition to our problems at rushing the passer. But I think hes more in a role as a rotational player on the D-line. The additions to our pass-rushing problem are really Al Harris, Marquez Harris. I think McCloughan is having some faith in Haralson and Lawson, which is my guess as to the reason he didn't really add another impact player at the LB position.


We're just gonna have to agree to disagree. I simply see it as our late round picks just stepping up and doing their job. And the only reason I see a player sometimes at a higher level of talent is simply because he was projected higher in the past, that is all.
McDonald to be put on PUP list:

Niners will place DE Ray McDonald on active/physically-unable-to-perform list after offseason knee surgery.

http://twitter.com/MattMaiocco
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by chico49erfan:
Originally posted by titan:
I hope he becomes better than Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Warren Sapp! If not I hope he can be solid, solid like 80 tackles and 10 sacks.

yes please

And I hope I win the lottery. The odds on either eventuality are slimmer than Posh Spice, though

This some kind of science fiction reference? (Dune?)

Just kidding. One of the Spice Girls, I presume. A skinny one, I'll bet. We don't see alot of those chicks over here in the New World. So I'm really just guessing.

No pics necessary if she's really that thin. (Walks in a circle to take a shower?)

(BTW, just kidding. No offense intended. In a really good mood. Must be the start of TC effect, or perhaps the unexpected absence of a certain troll. Is it just me, or does Ninertalk just seem more intelligent today?)

[ Edited by oldninerdude on Jul 28, 2009 at 21:01:10 ]
I hope he takes advantage of his reps when camp starts
Ricky will be a good player, give him time to develop
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Originally posted by global_nomad:
McDonald to be put on PUP list:

Niners will place DE Ray McDonald on active/physically-unable-to-perform list after offseason knee surgery.

http://twitter.com/MattMaiocco

So how long will he be out??
A little off topic, but I didn't feel that this update needed its own thread:

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July 29 5:15 ET, The 49ers announced that rookie Ricky Jean-Francois, a 7th round pick out of LSU, has been placed on the non-football illness list.

CBS Sports
Q: You're playing right defensive end, so are you picking Justin Smith's brain?

Jean-Francois: "I talk to all of them: Justin, Demetric (Evans), Ice (Isaac Sopoaga) and I talk to Aubrayo (Franklin) because I can slide to the nose. I try to find out everything they know and hopefully perfect my technique. A lot of coaches have told me that the hardest position coming in from college is defensive line. If you don't perfect your craft, you're not going to be very good that first year. I want everybody to see I'm making progress game by game."

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/08/pre-game-pep-talk.html

maybe RJF is our key to NT in the future?
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Wow...I don't think I've ever seen the greatest of all time arguement in regards to a 7th round draft pick who has yet to play a down.
Originally posted by global_nomad:
Q: You're playing right defensive end, so are you picking Justin Smith's brain?

Jean-Francois: "I talk to all of them: Justin, Demetric (Evans), Ice (Isaac Sopoaga) and I talk to Aubrayo (Franklin) because I can slide to the nose. I try to find out everything they know and hopefully perfect my technique. A lot of coaches have told me that the hardest position coming in from college is defensive line. If you don't perfect your craft, you're not going to be very good that first year. I want everybody to see I'm making progress game by game."

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/08/pre-game-pep-talk.html

maybe RJF is our key to NT in the future?

I'm not sure about the GOAT discussion, but this interview made me really like RJF. I hope Crabtree reads it and figures out how you're supposed to act when you're new to a job. Especially one that you (supposedly) care about.
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by global_nomad:
Q: You're playing right defensive end, so are you picking Justin Smith's brain?

Jean-Francois: "I talk to all of them: Justin, Demetric (Evans), Ice (Isaac Sopoaga) and I talk to Aubrayo (Franklin) because I can slide to the nose. I try to find out everything they know and hopefully perfect my technique. A lot of coaches have told me that the hardest position coming in from college is defensive line. If you don't perfect your craft, you're not going to be very good that first year. I want everybody to see I'm making progress game by game."

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/08/pre-game-pep-talk.html

maybe RJF is our key to NT in the future?

I'm not sure about the GOAT discussion, but this interview made me really like RJF. I hope Crabtree reads it and figures out how you're supposed to act when you're new to a job. Especially one that you (supposedly) care about.

I have to agree with you ------ after reading his responses. He impressed me in the interview and now I hope that he can impress us on the field. I hope so but I realize that he is getting a late start because of that Staph infection.
[ Edited by 49ERwhiner on Aug 14, 2009 at 6:36 PM ]