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How Alex Smith Compares to Terry Bradshaw

Originally posted by Apples:
And now we're comparing Alex Smith to Terry Bradshaw...

I think it's time for me to hibernate until week 1, I can't take this anymore.
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Biggest difference - Terry WON GAMES! This post FAILS BIGTIME!

Does it really fail? Let's see, Bradshaw had a 38% completions in his first year. He threw for 6 td's and a whopping 24 interceptions. I think he was 3-8 in his starts.

71: 13 td's and 22 interceptions and a losing record. (Would people around here be calling him "Terry Leaf?" I'm guessing yes.)

72: Steelers went 13-3! Bradshaw threw 12 td's and 12 interceptions. But, they had built quite a team around him and the rest is history.

He was obviously a bust! I don't understand how this guy ended up in the HOF. Maybe we shouldn't be saying Alex Leaf but rather Alex Bradshaw because Bradshaw was a bust as well.

Exactly. But, I do remember that Bradshaw took a lot of grief from fans during the first couple years. People called him stupid, a hillbilly, etc. He showed em. But really, he's the perfect example of a QB lucky enough to have a strong running game and a smothering defense.

Such as Joe Flacco or "Big" Ben Roethlisberger?

Right. There are always examples every year. But in the 70's and 80's, franchises could put a team together that was going to be intact for a long time and really develop systems. Bradshaw had one of the greatest teams of all time around him.

But not in those first 4 years. It took time to buld that team. (Much like the 49ers current team.) Smith or Hill will have much better weapons than what he started with.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Biggest difference - Terry WON GAMES! This post FAILS BIGTIME!

Does it really fail? Let's see, Bradshaw had a 38% completions in his first year. He threw for 6 td's and a whopping 24 interceptions. I think he was 3-8 in his starts.

71: 13 td's and 22 interceptions and a losing record. (Would people around here be calling him "Terry Leaf?" I'm guessing yes.)

72: Steelers went 13-3! Bradshaw threw 12 td's and 12 interceptions. But, they had built quite a team around him and the rest is history.

He was obviously a bust! I don't understand how this guy ended up in the HOF. Maybe we shouldn't be saying Alex Leaf but rather Alex Bradshaw because Bradshaw was a bust as well.

Exactly. But, I do remember that Bradshaw took a lot of grief from fans during the first couple years. People called him stupid, a hillbilly, etc. He showed em. But really, he's the perfect example of a QB lucky enough to have a strong running game and a smothering defense.

Such as Joe Flacco or "Big" Ben Roethlisberger?

Right. There are always examples every year. But in the 70's and 80's, franchises could put a team together that was going to be intact for a long time and really develop systems. Bradshaw had one of the greatest teams of all time around him.

But not in those first 4 years. It took time to buld that team. (Much like the 49ers current team.) Smith or Hill will have much better weapons than what he started with.

but but but he is alex leaf he is a bust.
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Bradshaw was a dumbazz and still is....Smith was smart and still is......that's at least one major difference.
[ Edited by AXEGRINDER on Jul 7, 2009 at 5:27 PM ]
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Biggest difference - Terry WON GAMES! This post FAILS BIGTIME!

Does it really fail? Let's see, Bradshaw had a 38% completions in his first year. He threw for 6 td's and a whopping 24 interceptions. I think he was 3-8 in his starts.

71: 13 td's and 22 interceptions and a losing record. (Would people around here be calling him "Terry Leaf?" I'm guessing yes.)

72: Steelers went 13-3! Bradshaw threw 12 td's and 12 interceptions. But, they had built quite a team around him and the rest is history.

He was obviously a bust! I don't understand how this guy ended up in the HOF. Maybe we shouldn't be saying Alex Leaf but rather Alex Bradshaw because Bradshaw was a bust as well.

Exactly. But, I do remember that Bradshaw took a lot of grief from fans during the first couple years. People called him stupid, a hillbilly, etc. He showed em. But really, he's the perfect example of a QB lucky enough to have a strong running game and a smothering defense.

Such as Joe Flacco or "Big" Ben Roethlisberger?

Right. There are always examples every year. But in the 70's and 80's, franchises could put a team together that was going to be intact for a long time and really develop systems. Bradshaw had one of the greatest teams of all time around him.

But not in those first 4 years. It took time to buld that team. (Much like the 49ers current team.) Smith or Hill will have much better weapons than what he started with.

but but but he is alex leaf he is a bust.

....great compelling dissertation on the topic...

I don't know if you could classify this team as more abundant in talent as compared to Terry's team four years into his tenure. By that time, I think that the Steelers had assembled their winning team...I haven't had time to look. Still, I think that Alex has a chance to make things happen for himself and his team.

Really, we won't know until the pads come on and they hit another team. How fortunate for us that team will be Nolan's D on the Broncos. August 14th can't come any sooner, dang it!!!
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
And now we're comparing Alex Smith to Terry Bradshaw...

I think it's time for me to hibernate until week 1, I can't take this anymore.

What is wrong with that?They were both first picks,and they both started out slow on bad teams?I remember Cosell calling him the #1 bust prior to doing an interview with him,but he turned it around.I know that you guys that hate Smith know more than everyone else that thinks that he can turn it around,so sweet dreams see ya when the season starts.




You know who else started out s**tty?

David Klinger
Tim Couch
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf

Alex Smith is more likely to turn into one of those guys than into Terry F*cking Bradshaw, gimme a break.

I never said he would turn into Bradshaw,hell I didn't even say it was likely,so don't try to twist my words son.My point is that you guys always bashing him are just being shortsighted if you think it is impossible for him to turn it around.Give yourself a break.

Calling him a bust after his rookie season would be shortsighted.

But after 4 years of sub-par play and injuries, I think it's safe to call him a bust.


If you can tell this after one full season,why the hell aren't you an NFL scout?I mean the GM and coach seem to think he isn't a bust,but what do they know,they are just a veteran NFL scout and a Hall of Fame player?I guess guys like you and Billy are just more knowledgeable about judging NFL talent than the guys that are getting paid to do it.You should send in your resume to Jed York and tell him you know how to pick sure fire NFL talent every time.Then when you get the job because of how qualified you are,you can make the decisions on player personnel.Once you weeded out all the non pro bowlers we could all enjoy having our whole team as the starters in the the pro bowl.That would give us one extra game after we won the Super Bowl every year.Of course then we would have to convert Candlestick into a warehouse to hold all the Superbowl trophies that your expert talent analysis would bring to the team.Man what a wonderful opportunity the San Francisco organization is missing out on...it makes one sad to know how bad they are handling the team when they could have you.



If Alex Smith was on any other team, you'd be calling him a bust.
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Originally posted by Norcal9erfan:
Biggest difference - Terry WON GAMES! This post FAILS BIGTIME!

--after how long? I think that's PT's whole point.
What I fail to understand is that PTulini didn't compare Smith to bradshaw based on their skills, but their failures.

There have a whole bunch of QBs, like Smith, and bradshaw, who f**ked up early in their careers. Almost all of them went on to become busts, be career back-ups, you get the point.

But so many of the Smith supporters won't accept that the probability of smith turning out and having a successful career like Bradshaw is highly unlikey.

Most of the QBs who struggled early, became busts. So, it shows us that Smith has a way bigger chance of being out of this league than finding huge success.
Originally posted by niner4life21:
What I fail to understand is that PTulini didn't compare Smith to bradshaw based on their skills, but their failures.

There have a whole bunch of QBs, like Smith, and bradshaw, who f**ked up early in their careers. Almost all of them went on to become busts, be career back-ups, you get the point.

But so many of the Smith supporters won't accept that the probability of smith turning out and having a successful career like Bradshaw is highly unlikey.

Most of the QBs who struggled early, became busts. So, it shows us that Smith has a way bigger chance of being out of this league than finding huge success.

I believe the reason for so many of these busts that you are talking about is the fact that they do not have the supporting casts that the Bradshaws, Rothlisburgers.... I think you get the point. A QB can not win a game all on his own, winning in the NFL takes a full team effort. Now don't get me wrong I am in now way saying that every QB that has been labeled a bust could have been successful on the right team. But I am sure there are a few in there that could have.

Another thing is that just becaue the probability of him finishing his career and ending up labeled a bust is high according to you doesn't mean that it isn't possible. You can call it wishful thinking or what have you. But I prefer to call it supporting the players on the team that I have chosen to follow and love. Call me crazy but I have always thought that was just part of being a fan.
I still don't understand why most of you are under the impression that Terry Bradshaw had talent already around him as a rooke and in those early years as a QB? He was drafted as the #1 overall pick in the 1970 NFL Draft. The Steelers did not win a Super Bowl until 1974!
[ Edited by PTulini on Jul 7, 2009 at 6:08 PM ]
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
And now we're comparing Alex Smith to Terry Bradshaw...

I think it's time for me to hibernate until week 1, I can't take this anymore.

What is wrong with that?They were both first picks,and they both started out slow on bad teams?I remember Cosell calling him the #1 bust prior to doing an interview with him,but he turned it around.I know that you guys that hate Smith know more than everyone else that thinks that he can turn it around,so sweet dreams see ya when the season starts.




You know who else started out s**tty?

David Klinger
Tim Couch
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf

Alex Smith is more likely to turn into one of those guys than into Terry F*cking Bradshaw, gimme a break.

I never said he would turn into Bradshaw,hell I didn't even say it was likely,so don't try to twist my words son.My point is that you guys always bashing him are just being shortsighted if you think it is impossible for him to turn it around.Give yourself a break.

Calling him a bust after his rookie season would be shortsighted.

But after 4 years of sub-par play and injuries, I think it's safe to call him a bust.


If you can tell this after one full season,why the hell aren't you an NFL scout?I mean the GM and coach seem to think he isn't a bust,but what do they know,they are just a veteran NFL scout and a Hall of Fame player?I guess guys like you and Billy are just more knowledgeable about judging NFL talent than the guys that are getting paid to do it.You should send in your resume to Jed York and tell him you know how to pick sure fire NFL talent every time.Then when you get the job because of how qualified you are,you can make the decisions on player personnel.Once you weeded out all the non pro bowlers we could all enjoy having our whole team as the starters in the the pro bowl.That would give us one extra game after we won the Super Bowl every year.Of course then we would have to convert Candlestick into a warehouse to hold all the Superbowl trophies that your expert talent analysis would bring to the team.Man what a wonderful opportunity the San Francisco organization is missing out on...it makes one sad to know how bad they are handling the team when they could have you.



If Alex Smith was on any other team, you'd be calling him a bust.

Any person that actually follows football would not call him an actual bust just yet. I wouldnt and I remember feeling sympathy for David Carr and wasnt ready to call him a bust bc of Houstons Oline but he eventually may be/is. When you have 4 different OC's in 4 years coming into football and not having great talent to work with then its gonna be hard. Atleast Rogers had Driver/Jennings to throw to. Despite the injury he suffered his 3rd year then I would not call him a bust. I give a player a minimum of 3 years to be labled a bust.
Originally posted by backontop:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
What I fail to understand is that PTulini didn't compare Smith to bradshaw based on their skills, but their failures.

There have a whole bunch of QBs, like Smith, and bradshaw, who f**ked up early in their careers. Almost all of them went on to become busts, be career back-ups, you get the point.

But so many of the Smith supporters won't accept that the probability of smith turning out and having a successful career like Bradshaw is highly unlikey.

Most of the QBs who struggled early, became busts. So, it shows us that Smith has a way bigger chance of being out of this league than finding huge success.

I believe the reason for so many of these busts that you are talking about is the fact that they do not have the supporting casts that the Bradshaws, Rothlisburgers.... I think you get the point. A QB can not win a game all on his own, winning in the NFL takes a full team effort. Now don't get me wrong I am in now way saying that every QB that has been labeled a bust could have been successful on the right team. But I am sure there are a few in there that could have.

Another thing is that just becaue the probability of him finishing his career and ending up labeled a bust is high according to you doesn't mean that it isn't possible. You can call it wishful thinking or what have you. But I prefer to call it supporting the players on the team that I have chosen to follow and love. Call me crazy but I have always thought that was just part of being a fan.

Now you're gonna go ahead and question my fanhood? I have followed the team and love them as much as anything in this world. I can't wait till the day we win, and support the players, no matter how they play.

MY opinion is THAT SMITH hasn't played well, no matter what the talent around him was. He has issues himself, with his accuracy and other mechanics. Big-time issues.

But I am also a realist. If I notice, along with the majority of anyone who follows football, that when someone who was drafted that high, plays like absolute s**t for 2 years or 4 years or whatever, I don't hang on to the hope of him turning out to be good forever.

I still support Smith, and hope that he, along with the rest of the Niners, plays well, but I HIGHLY doubt it.
Originally posted by NC49erfan82:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Apples:
And now we're comparing Alex Smith to Terry Bradshaw...

I think it's time for me to hibernate until week 1, I can't take this anymore.

What is wrong with that?They were both first picks,and they both started out slow on bad teams?I remember Cosell calling him the #1 bust prior to doing an interview with him,but he turned it around.I know that you guys that hate Smith know more than everyone else that thinks that he can turn it around,so sweet dreams see ya when the season starts.




You know who else started out s**tty?

David Klinger
Tim Couch
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf

Alex Smith is more likely to turn into one of those guys than into Terry F*cking Bradshaw, gimme a break.

I never said he would turn into Bradshaw,hell I didn't even say it was likely,so don't try to twist my words son.My point is that you guys always bashing him are just being shortsighted if you think it is impossible for him to turn it around.Give yourself a break.

Calling him a bust after his rookie season would be shortsighted.

But after 4 years of sub-par play and injuries, I think it's safe to call him a bust.


If you can tell this after one full season,why the hell aren't you an NFL scout?I mean the GM and coach seem to think he isn't a bust,but what do they know,they are just a veteran NFL scout and a Hall of Fame player?I guess guys like you and Billy are just more knowledgeable about judging NFL talent than the guys that are getting paid to do it.You should send in your resume to Jed York and tell him you know how to pick sure fire NFL talent every time.Then when you get the job because of how qualified you are,you can make the decisions on player personnel.Once you weeded out all the non pro bowlers we could all enjoy having our whole team as the starters in the the pro bowl.That would give us one extra game after we won the Super Bowl every year.Of course then we would have to convert Candlestick into a warehouse to hold all the Superbowl trophies that your expert talent analysis would bring to the team.Man what a wonderful opportunity the San Francisco organization is missing out on...it makes one sad to know how bad they are handling the team when they could have you.



If Alex Smith was on any other team, you'd be calling him a bust.

Any person that actually follows football would not call him an actual bust just yet. I wouldnt and I remember feeling sympathy for David Carr and wasnt ready to call him a bust bc of Houstons Oline but he eventually may be/is. When you have 4 different OC's in 4 years coming into football and not having great talent to work with then its gonna be hard. Atleast Rogers had Driver/Jennings to throw to. Despite the injury he suffered his 3rd year then I would not call him a bust. I give a player a minimum of 3 years to be labled a bust.
"Any person that actually follows football would not call him a bust?"



Have you seen the amount of money he's already made? This is a "what have you done for me lately?" league

Exactly what has he done besides 'take a pay cut because he has something to prove' to warrant not being a bust yet?

An overall #1 pick in the draft that can't even crack the starting lineup? He's not even in the top 32 quarterbacks in the league.

lol
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Originally posted by Nes49:
Originally posted by billybonka:


I'm gonna take a wild guess... that's billybonka's boyfriend.

Originally posted by 49ersMan420:
Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
Originally posted by Nes49:
Originally posted by billybonka:


I'm gonna take a wild guess... that's billybonka's boyfriend.

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