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Crabtree the Cure for Alex?

Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
lets just give it time
honestly, how much more time do you need?

As much as it takes. I'm a Niner fan.
was I talking to you?

Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
lets just give it time
honestly, how much more time do you need?

As much as it takes. I'm a Niner fan.
was I talking to you?


lol
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
lets just give it time
honestly, how much more time do you need?

As much as it takes. I'm a Niner fan.
was I talking to you?


lol
I asked an honest question .. and WHOOOSH

in comes Capt. Save-a-Leaf to save the day

cmon now really?
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
lets just give it time
honestly, how much more time do you need?

As much as it takes. I'm a Niner fan.

Getting back on track, thinking back to previous seasons with a healthy Alex, the only receiver he ever had who could stretch the field was Antonio Bryant. Literally, the only receiver...at the time Vernon Davis was so raw that his underdeveloped receiving skills made him unreliable. You combine that with the lack of talent from number 2 all the way down...Bryan Gilmore starting, really, are you serious?

Maybe, just maybe if he has receivers that get separation on their routes, Alex wouldn't have to hold onto the ball so long. Yes, Alex needs to get better at getting rid of the ball, but look at Ben Rothlisberger, he'll hold onto the ball forever, trying to break tackles to make a play. And then after nearly taking a sack, he'll make a crucial third down pass. That's how they won the Superbowl.

Yes, Alex needs to protect the ball better, but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.

In his big season, Tom Brady always seemed to have an eternity to sit in the pocket and throw. When he finally got some pressure, he got injured for the entire season, granted on a dirty tackle at the knees. Tony Romo looks like a Pro Bowler when he has all day behind the Dallas line. With a little pressure, he looks more like an interception machine like Jake Delhomme in the playoffs last year. Point is, open receivers will make a huge difference, and from the sound of it, this kid Crabtree can get open by running some pretty good routes.

I actually never saw this draft video via ESPN instead of the NFLN. There is some nice insight from Steve Young on why he would draft Crabtree a few seconds from the official announcement. "I want someone who can run the slant like Crabtree." And then I never saw that blonde lady interview him right after the pick on stage, just Deion with that stupid question about being on a mission. Check it out:

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but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
lets just give it time
honestly, how much more time do you need?

As much as it takes. I'm a Niner fan.

As much time as it takes? Be serious. That is not how professional NFL teams should operate. I don't work in the pro sports biz, but I know in my own business that a project assigned to me needs to achieve goals within a defined timeline. Otherwise I am in hot water with the senior management expecting results, and they will give me the beatdown & have someone else come in & take my job.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Quote:
but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.

We only gave up 35 sacks in 2006. alexcuses once again.
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Quote:
but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.

We only gave up 35 sacks in 2006. alexcuses once again.

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[ Edited by oldman9er on Jul 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM ]
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
lets just give it time
honestly, how much more time do you need?

As much as it takes. I'm a Niner fan.

As much time as it takes? Be serious. That is not how professional NFL teams should operate. I don't work in the pro sports biz, but I know in my own business that a project assigned to me needs to achieve goals within a defined timeline. Otherwise I am in hot water with the senior management expecting results, and they will give me the beatdown & have someone else come in & take my job.

Maybe he means this?

translation = Alex is a 49er... as long as he is a 49er... he will give them whatever time required to determine his fate. (something like that?)
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Quote:
but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.

We only gave up 35 sacks in 2006. alexcuses once again.

The annoying thing about the O-line card being played, is there is no stat for a QB "self-sack". When a QB who is unsure what to do, holds the ball too long, & gets sacked. Or in other cases where there is a blitx, and the Qb needs to have the saavy top know there are not enough blockers for it, and it is on him to avoid the extra rushers or get the ball out before the get to him. people always seem to oversimplify things by exempting the QB from the rest of the team when it comes to protection schemes. The QB also has a role in that part of the game though.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Quote:
but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.

We only gave up 35 sacks in 2006. alexcuses once again.

Sacks are not the only way to determine QB pressure... try again. All you managed to do was give Alex a pat on the back for being able to scramble and get the ball away.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by djfullshred:
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by billybonka:
Originally posted by 4everfaithful24:
lets just give it time
honestly, how much more time do you need?

As much as it takes. I'm a Niner fan.

As much time as it takes? Be serious. That is not how professional NFL teams should operate. I don't work in the pro sports biz, but I know in my own business that a project assigned to me needs to achieve goals within a defined timeline. Otherwise I am in hot water with the senior management expecting results, and they will give me the beatdown & have someone else come in & take my job.

Maybe he means this?

translation = Alex is a 49er... as long as he is a 49er... he will give them whatever time required to determine his fate. (something like that?)

Well it aint my money paying his salary, but I am sure the people who do pay the bills don't feel this way. I'm quite sure there are some performance benchmarks they will be looking at, and wanting improvement by some general timelines.

But for me, as long as the team is no longer sticking with a starter that is screwing up the game for the rest of the team, the whole debate is moot to me. If the guy can win now, then great. If the guy can't, then please don't torture us fans any more 49ers. We don't want to see subpar players out there because of front office denial they made a bad draft choice.
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Originally posted by niner4life21:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Quote:
but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.

We only gave up 35 sacks in 2006. alexcuses once again.

Sacks are not the only way to determine QB pressure... try again. All you managed to do was give Alex a pat on the back for being able to scramble and get the ball away.

I didn't give Smith a pat on the back for s**t. My reason to state the amount of sacks in 2006 was to show that Smith had better pass protection that Hill in 2008.

In 2006 we had Jennings who was very good that year, in run blocking and pass blocking.

We had Larry f**king Allen, Justin Smiley ( decent), and Hietmann( decent pass blocker).... and sure, we had Kwame Harris, but you can't blame all of a QB's failures on a freaking RT.

Hill had Joe Staley, Chilo Rachal, Hietmann, BARRY MUTHAf**kIN SIMS, and Baas.

Now you tell me, who had the better line? And on top of that, Hill had Martz's 7 step drops. Atleast Smith had an OC who could figure out ways to keep his QB's jersey clean ( good running game, play action, etc,etc...)
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Quote:
but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.

Thanks for providing some insight into the blocking schemes and articulating what I was thinking. The haters are always going to find a way to spin the facts, but this sounds most like the truth that I've heard regarding the offensive line. I bet if there was a statistic for the average time before defenders got through the line, it would've ranked next to last in the league. It's not like Shaun Hill escaped unscathed either. He had a pretty bad back injury at the end of 2007, which is why...Jamie Martin or some scrub started the last game or two.
Originally posted by Psinex:
Originally posted by oldman9er:
Quote:
but his line also has to do a better job protecting him. I distinctly remember that on almost every play, it seemed like someone blew their blocking assignment, and Alex would be running for his life without having enough time to ever set his feet and throw. And it seemed like if he ever threw, he would get drilled just as he was throwing.


This...

In 06, we had a very good run-blocking OL, but it was far from decent in pass-blocking. Though Kwame Harris' shameful protection vastly overshadowed many failures from Jonas Jennings at LT (outside speed-rushers) and Adam Snyder/Larry Allen at LG.

In 07, it was a really rough start. Smiley was shockingly horrible at RG all of the sudden (before he was injured and Baas replaced him). Jonas Jennings was getting even worse with edge rushers, and Allen was even slower in setting up for a block. The whole OL was confused with Hostler utilizing more ZB than MB schemes, and we all saw what happened on the Bernard sack that crushed Alex.

Thanks for providing some insight into the blocking schemes and articulating what I was thinking. The haters are always going to find a way to spin the facts, but this sounds most like the truth that I've heard regarding the offensive line. I bet if there was a statistic for the average time before defenders got through the line, it would've ranked next to last in the league. It's not like Shaun Hill escaped unscathed either. He had a pretty bad back injury at the end of 2007, which is why...Jamie Martin or some scrub started the last game or two.

Well thanks, and I believe it was Weinke that we were reduced to playing in that final game. I think I have a pretty clear memory of our pass rush failures over the years.