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Arguments for Alex Smith and Shaun Hill to Start

I think Singletary and Raye were wise not to start Smith at the beginning of the season, and they will wisely be cautious to not put him in too soon now. Wise? Yes, because we all know that whenever Smith makes a mistake the fans will crucify him, Sing, Raye, McC, etc. Hill played well enough last year to be given the chance to succeed this year. Starting him was viewed well by the media and the fans. Now, if Hill falters (even more than he has so far) bringing in Smith will seem like the smart move. Smith might not be judged so harshly if he is brought in after Hill failed already. This is good for Smith and for the team. Plus, they have given Smith more time to learn the Raye's offense.

I think Singletary has played this well, and will do so going forward. If Hill succeeds, awesome. If Hll falters and we lose another game or two, put Smith in and give him a chance to show what he's got.
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?

I think you will be ok.....try it out.




*one less annoying webzone poster, yes!*


Annoying because I'm expressing my opinions? How narrow-minded of you. After all, Heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that differs from yours.

I'm sorry to have offended you and your idol, Captain Wounded Duck.

throwing out words like Captain Wounded Duck, Posting pictures of Ducks and as well as posting the idea of mailing a dead duck to 9er HQ, imo, not a mature way of expressing opinion on a 9er board.....now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on.



First of all, it's a minor thing, but I didn't post the picture of the dead duck. I quoted the message, but that's beside the point.

I guess humor and sarcasm isn't allowed, then? Get a grip. You're not the big dog on the boards. If I want to express my disgust of the starting quarterback by coming up with stupid names and making jokes about it, then that's my right until a mod tells me to knock it off. If you want to keep stroking Capt. Wounded Duck's and your ego, that's your right.

Now, it is my right as a person to have my own opinions. I'm of the opinion that Hill's throws are some of the ugliest I have ever seen.

Now, as to your puerile comment: "now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on." It's what one would expect from someone who clearly can't come up with a decent response to my post. It's quite sad, actually. Here we have this guy posting on some message board, proclaiming to be the end-all-be-all authority on quarterback play, and yet, all he can do is whip out the tired and pathetic "you must be 10 years old" flame.

dude, seriously read what you just posted....and go back through your post history, as well as mine then tell me who comes off more as a 10 year old...

also, yes, you do have a right to post what ever the hell you want....I didn't say you couldn't.....I'm not Mod, but what I did say is that it is annoying....so if you want to annoy me (and maybe others who find it annoying) then carry on, it comes along with your posting privileges, apparently.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!

also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

Excuse me, but if everyone was booed off the field that day, then how does that not include Shaun Hill? He got booed after awful passes and was booed off the field on several drives along with the offense. He deserved to be booed. I booed him from my TV screen, and let me be clear that I didn't have a problem with Hill starting until he's regressed to the point he's gotten now, and put up the stinker he did. I vented my frustration aloud because that kind of play is unacceptable for a starter at his age and experience level in the NFL. And again, just because Hill was not the sole recipient of boos does not make the statement, "He was booed off the field" a falsity. Not at all.

Don't put all the blame on the OL. They do deserve some of it, but I honestly feel Hill has been figured out. The reason is this: Look, he was sacked a LOT last year and still played well, making him deserving to be the starter this year. He's being sacked at almost the same rate this year, yet.. he looks far, far worse. Can anyone accept this at least?

Another poster brought up QB's who are still having success despite the sacks they're taking, such as Rodgers who's been sacked more than anyone in the entire NFL.

Like I said before, I thought Hill earned his shot, but I'm not going to make excuses for him if he doesn't play up to acceptable standards. He needs to play better, and HE KNOWS he needs to play better. He was frustrated with himself -- he addmited it -- and he should have been.
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
[/b]
also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
[/b]
also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!

Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
[/b]
also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!


intreseting when hill does bad its the OC fault but when smith does bad its his fault? makes no sense
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?

I think you will be ok.....try it out.




*one less annoying webzone poster, yes!*


Annoying because I'm expressing my opinions? How narrow-minded of you. After all, Heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that differs from yours.

I'm sorry to have offended you and your idol, Captain Wounded Duck.

throwing out words like Captain Wounded Duck, Posting pictures of Ducks and as well as posting the idea of mailing a dead duck to 9er HQ, imo, not a mature way of expressing opinion on a 9er board.....now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on.



First of all, it's a minor thing, but I didn't post the picture of the dead duck. I quoted the message, but that's beside the point.

I guess humor and sarcasm isn't allowed, then? Get a grip. You're not the big dog on the boards. If I want to express my disgust of the starting quarterback by coming up with stupid names and making jokes about it, then that's my right until a mod tells me to knock it off. If you want to keep stroking Capt. Wounded Duck's and your ego, that's your right.

Now, it is my right as a person to have my own opinions. I'm of the opinion that Hill's throws are some of the ugliest I have ever seen.

Now, as to your puerile comment: "now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on." It's what one would expect from someone who clearly can't come up with a decent response to my post. It's quite sad, actually. Here we have this guy posting on some message board, proclaiming to be the end-all-be-all authority on quarterback play, and yet, all he can do is whip out the tired and pathetic "you must be 10 years old" flame.

dude, seriously read what you just posted....and go back through your post history, as well as mine then tell me who comes off more as a 10 year old...

also, yes, you do have a right to post what ever the hell you want....I didn't say you couldn't.....I'm not Mod, but what I did say is that it is annoying....so if you want to annoy me (and maybe others who find it annoying) then carry on, it comes along with your posting privileges, apparently.

I know what I just posted, so I don't need to read it again. Perhaps you should. I was simply saying that you are incapable of sustaining an argument without the need for insults (like the ever classic "You must be 10 years old"). Did I ever insinuate that you were a 10 year old? No.

And, as far as examining post history, would you like me to point out that I'm not the one telling people to stop posting because they have a differing opinion from me? Or, how about if I point out that you're the one doing that. And, you say my posts make me seem immature? Really?

[ Edited by Squirrel on Oct 16, 2009 at 19:18:43 ]
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
[/b]
also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!


interesting when hill does bad its the OC fault but when smith does bad its his fault? makes no sense

My thoughts exactly!
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
[/b]
also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!


interesting when hill does bad its the OC fault but when smith does bad its his fault? makes no sense

My thoughts exactly!

Can we all just admit that neither one of the is very good? We can go back in forth about which one is worst, but all we can give is our own opinion. At the end of the day the only thing that matters is whether the team wins. And so far Hill as been more successful than Smith. One can argue that the teams Alex played for were less talented. But like Parcells say " You are who your record says you are." Maybe Hill will begin to lose and will need to be replaced. But until then he is our QB and has my support.

Go Niners!
Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
Originally posted by Mospeed:
I don't think Hill fans get the big picture. Hill is a 29 year old career backup. Theres a reason why Mike Tice didn't play him, theres a reason why Norv Turner didn't play him and theres a reason why Mike Martz didn't start him. This is a guy who has reached his maximum potential. he's not going to get any better. So where does this leave us as an organization? Are we gonna continue to ride him for years to come? I mean, he's got a good record so maybe he'll continue to start for us for the rest of his career? How does that sound?

I mean, we all wanna see our team make the playoffs and if Hill gives us the best chance at getting there then so be it but where do we go from there? The whole notion of having a game manager under center was only solidified because we're suppose to have a top tier defense. But when our defense is giving up 45 points to a sub par team and we have a career backup at our quarterback position where does that leave us? What will our future be at the quarterback position? Is Alex Smith the answer? I know he has bad statistics but anyone who's seen him play knows he throws an accurate football. But how will we know if he's our future if we leave him on the bench when he's 100% healthy?

I have nothing against Shaun Hill but I just can't see this guy as our franchise guy going into the next few years. I know a lot of Hill fans will turn around and say that Nate Davis is the future but how do we know? He only got a chance to throw against 5th stringers, the same 5th stringers who let Coffee run circles around them and we've seen what Coffee does against 1st string defenses... Alex Smith can play and in the past he hasn't had the talent or the coaching that he has around him now. If Hill is going to continue to stand in his squatty stance and make himself 5'9 so he can no longer see over his linemen and then run into a guard and get sacked then I say we need to put in Smith.

Singletary want a game manager who won't throw too many interceptions. Alex will get his chance if a) Hill gets hurt b) Hill turns the ball over too much c) we are out of contention.

Singletary believes Hill gives us the best chance to win right now. The future will take care of itself.


You see when I read statements like "the future will take care of itself", Singletary wants a game manager I see nothing but doom in the future. I dont give a rats ass about making the playoffs this year at all. Hill is not the long term answer. Yes the man has heart and gives all he's got and gets very little help from the O line...yada yada yada. But the fact of the matter is Hill is not the future. Smith and Davis might not be either, but dammit I dont want to wait until after the next draft by scott shooting in the dark. We need to find out who stays and who goes after this year and that doesnt mean just at quarterback. The 49er brass needs to quit screwing around with bandaids and short term fixes and get a friggin PLAN.

[ Edited by kezar49er on Oct 16, 2009 at 20:10:23 ]
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
[/b]
also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!

this is what you posted....and you bolded "Hill's offense".
"If Hill's offense continues to lead the NFL in 3 and outs without improvement and if there is no change,THAT will be giving up on the season"

I'm just going to leave it at.....Shaun does not make the calls on third down to run the ball....Shaun does not make calls for plays the are ran 2-3 yards short of the first down.... this is the difference with Raye and Martz....even if we were at 3rd 12, Martz would call a play that would get us 12-15 yards.....and *gasp* Shaun Hill would complete it....with the same personal Bruce and company, although Jason Hill was out there making these plays as well.....

So to say that it is Hill's offense that is holding us back from converting 3rd downs...well actually it is Raye's offense....he decides what we should do..... now if Shaun is not following Rayes play calls and has been checking down all this time, then I believe Raye would have got on Shaun's case and I wouldn't be surprised if he benched him.

As far as me spending too much time on here...... I think you're right....at the end last week's game, when I started seeing all these threads popping up about benching the Starting QB and the reasons why....I told myself I should take a bye week from the Zone myself.....because it is one thing when Shaun was helping us win games that we had the same people slam him....and of course when the Team loses all hell breaks loose because for 2 weeks posters can talk sh1t freely because there will no 9er football to be seen to shut them up....

so I'll see if I can stay away for a couple of weeks.....as far as 9ertalk goes.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!

also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

Excuse me, but if everyone was booed off the field that day, then how does that not include Shaun Hill? He got booed after awful passes and was booed off the field on several drives along with the offense. He deserved to be booed. I booed him from my TV screen, and let me be clear that I didn't have a problem with Hill starting until he's regressed to the point he's gotten now, and put up the stinker he did. I vented my frustration aloud because that kind of play is unacceptable for a starter at his age and experience level in the NFL. And again, just because Hill was not the sole recipient of boos does not make the statement, "He was booed off the field" a falsity. Not at all.

Don't put all the blame on the OL. They do deserve some of it, but I honestly feel Hill has been figured out. The reason is this: Look, he was sacked a LOT last year and still played well, making him deserving to be the starter this year. He's being sacked at almost the same rate this year, yet.. he looks far, far worse. Can anyone accept this at least?

Another poster brought up QB's who are still having success despite the sacks they're taking, such as Rodgers who's been sacked more than anyone in the entire NFL.

Like I said before, I thought Hill earned his shot, but I'm not going to make excuses for him if he doesn't play up to acceptable standards. He needs to play better, and HE KNOWS he needs to play better. He was frustrated with himself -- he addmited it -- and he should have been.

OnTheClock.... there is one big difference between last year and this year....and that is the offensive playcalling. So while, yes Shaun was getting sacked, we were still moving the ball because of his arm last year.....just like Rodgers is doing.

and this is what I expect from our offense as the season goes on.....for us to be less predictable....and with Crabtree playing and Gore back there to properly pick up the blitz....we should, as a whole, play better.....

I don't expect the Oline to all the sudden turn into ProBowlers.....but these same guys played well together on crucial 3rd downs last year.....so I can see them improving if they play and communicated better as a unit.......well at least I hope, I believe we run a different blocking scheme with Raye this year, so I don't know if we might have to switch some other things up a bit.

Shaun looked like he tried to do his part, to make up for the blitzing and the penetration the Falcons were getting against our Oline........basically by trying to hit the hot read, in this case Vernon.........so this is where I feel communication is one of the main ways our offense can and should play better these next few weeks.....if Vernon cut in on those passes.....he could've got some big gains if not TDs....and that would have helped our Oline later in the game, by keeping the defense honest.
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?

I think you will be ok.....try it out.




*one less annoying webzone poster, yes!*


Annoying because I'm expressing my opinions? How narrow-minded of you. After all, Heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that differs from yours.

I'm sorry to have offended you and your idol, Captain Wounded Duck.

throwing out words like Captain Wounded Duck, Posting pictures of Ducks and as well as posting the idea of mailing a dead duck to 9er HQ, imo, not a mature way of expressing opinion on a 9er board.....now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on.



First of all, it's a minor thing, but I didn't post the picture of the dead duck. I quoted the message, but that's beside the point.

I guess humor and sarcasm isn't allowed, then? Get a grip. You're not the big dog on the boards. If I want to express my disgust of the starting quarterback by coming up with stupid names and making jokes about it, then that's my right until a mod tells me to knock it off. If you want to keep stroking Capt. Wounded Duck's and your ego, that's your right.

Now, it is my right as a person to have my own opinions. I'm of the opinion that Hill's throws are some of the ugliest I have ever seen.

Now, as to your puerile comment: "now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on." It's what one would expect from someone who clearly can't come up with a decent response to my post. It's quite sad, actually. Here we have this guy posting on some message board, proclaiming to be the end-all-be-all authority on quarterback play, and yet, all he can do is whip out the tired and pathetic "you must be 10 years old" flame.

dude, seriously read what you just posted....and go back through your post history, as well as mine then tell me who comes off more as a 10 year old...

also, yes, you do have a right to post what ever the hell you want....I didn't say you couldn't.....I'm not Mod, but what I did say is that it is annoying....so if you want to annoy me (and maybe others who find it annoying) then carry on, it comes along with your posting privileges, apparently.

I know what I just posted, so I don't need to read it again. Perhaps you should. I was simply saying that you are incapable of sustaining an argument without the need for insults (like the ever classic "You must be 10 years old"). Did I ever insinuate that you were a 10 year old? No.

And, as far as examining post history, would you like me to point out that I'm not the one telling people to stop posting because they have a differing opinion from me? Or, how about if I point out that you're the one doing that. And, you say my posts make me seem immature? Really?

"I know what I just posted, so I don't need to read it again. Perhaps you should. I was simply saying that you are incapable of sustaining an argument without the need for insults (like the ever classic "You must be 10 years old")."

that is not true at all...or else I would have been banned along time ago....If you want to can go through my post history and see that I have had normal discussions or even debates without resorting to come off as if I'm insulting any other person....

where as with you....well again, I know you hate this part..... read what you posted again and see why I would think that you were young.... I mean if you want to just posts pics of ducks or discuss ducks.....then I can post pics of animals too, maybe we can communicate better.

Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
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also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!


interesting when hill does bad its the OC fault but when smith does bad its his fault? makes no sense

My thoughts exactly!

Not to jump in on it, but I have a difficult time refraining. It's rather appalling to me that things like OC and OL, that were considered "Alexcuses" are now valid reasoning behind Hill's mediocrity. I don't like that we're operating under double standards here. Let's keep it level.

To an outsider looking at all of this now, I wouldn't be surprised if they felt Alex was the better QB. Maybe, maybe not. I'm not saying -- I'm just saying..

This all isn't about Shaun or Alex, it's about this team and what will help us win, both now and in the future.

I'm not trying to knock Hill, nor am I trying to elevate Alex; it's just important that people get off their high horse trying to proclaim Hill's something special or "so superior" or a "winner" compared to Alex, as if Alex can't win games. Alex can win. Hill can win. But his play has been shaky this year, and if people can at least admit that, it will go a long way in easing this "debate."

Hills record is inflated due to the poor teams he's faced.

Since 2007, Hill has only played against 7 teams with winning records (that includes this season, too, based on current records). His record against those teams with winning records is 2-5, with his only notable victory coming against New York last year at home. His other win was against Tampa at home in 2007 when they had pulled their starting defenders after learning they had already clinched a playoff birth.

Now, to be fair, Alex didn't beat any winning teams as a rookie, and was 3-5 against winning teams in 2006. Though two of those wins came on the road in very hostile environments, one being against a team who needed a win to make the playoffs. We know that was Denver, whom Alex drove us down for the game-winning score against. Now, 2007 is a bit too small of a sample size among healthy games, but if you want to add that in, he lost on the road against the AFC North Division Champs, Pittsburgh.

I just want to see Hill play well on the road and beat someone. If he can beat Houston and/or Indy, that'll impress me.
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by Super5:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
a couple of more LIES some of these posters try to spew..... it is hilarious...

I read someone posted that if "[b]Hill's Offense continues to struggle on third down bla bla bla" Hill's offense???? THIS IS RAYE'S OFFENSE!!!! YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, STOP POSTING!
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also we have another LAIR who is trying to give off the impression that our Home Crowd Booed Hill off the field, again...

EVERYONE GOT BOOED THAT DAY!! The Defense got Booed, The Offense got Booed, the dropped passes caused Boos....the dumb moves made by Morgan and Bly caused Boos....HILL getting sacked in 2 seconds caused boos....

STOP SPREADING OUT BS!

but continue the because Shaun Hill is the 49er starter....where as fans who have any sense (like some in this thread) know that our problem starts first and foremost at the most important area for a football team, the trenches.

I can't wait till I see my 49er starting QB play in 2 weeks....and root my team on....as well as Root on my backup QB who is doing a fine, by assisting his Starting QB, Shaun Hill, at getting ready for opposing defenses....

Great Job Shaun..... and Great Job Alex....

So I don't know WTF I'm talking about??

Let me dumb down my statement for those who no comprende-SHAUN HILL RUNS JIMMY RAYE'S OFFENSE(HE IS THE QB)and is not doing a very good job at it.The NFL stats don't lie so go on that.The problem starts in the trenches with Hill at QB but not when Smith is at QB right????


If no improvement soon there needs to be a change(Smith or Davis) because

I WANT WINNERS

You rant SO MUCH you're all twisted up in your own BS.So you live your life on the zone so what that's your trip,doesn't mean you run this zone so don't tell me or anybody else to stop posting!


interesting when hill does bad its the OC fault but when smith does bad its his fault? makes no sense

My thoughts exactly!

Not to jump in on it, but I have a difficult time refraining. It's rather appalling to me that things like OC and OL, that were considered "Alexcuses" are now valid reasoning behind Hill's mediocrity. I don't like that we're operating under double standards here. Let's keep it level.

To an outsider looking at all of this now, I wouldn't be surprised if they felt Alex was the better QB. Maybe, maybe not. I'm not saying -- I'm just saying..

This all isn't about Shaun or Alex, it's about this team and what will help us win, both now and in the future.

I'm not trying to knock Hill, nor am I trying to elevate Alex; it's just important that people get off their high horse trying to proclaim Hill's something special or "so superior" or a "winner" compared to Alex, as if Alex can't win games. Alex can win. Hill can win. But his play has been shaky this year, and if people can at least admit that, it will go a long way in easing this "debate."

Hills record is inflated due to the poor teams he's faced.

Since 2007, Hill has only played against 7 teams with winning records (that includes this season, too, based on current records). His record against those teams with winning records is 2-5, with his only notable victory coming against New York last year at home. His other win was against Tampa at home in 2007 when they had pulled their starting defenders after learning they had already clinched a playoff birth.

Now, to be fair, Alex didn't beat any winning teams as a rookie, and was 3-5 against winning teams in 2006. Though two of those wins came on the road in very hostile environments, one being against a team who needed a win to make the playoffs. We know that was Denver, whom Alex drove us down for the game-winning score against. Now, 2007 is a bit too small of a sample size among healthy games, but if you want to add that in, he lost on the road against the AFC North Division Champs, Pittsburgh.

I just want to see Hill play well on the road and beat someone. If he can beat Houston and/or Indy, that'll impress me.

And if he can't win either, he should be benched.