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Arguments for Alex Smith and Shaun Hill to Start

Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Wow..I agree Hill isnt the end all-be all QB for us but to say his play thus far has been "atrocious" is a little on the crazy side.

Look, I'm rooting for Smith to be the guy just as much as any other fan but Hill is winning games MORE than a majority of the time. How is that "atroicious" QB play?

His only "atrocious" play was against the Falcons IMO.

I was talking about the 1st half of the Minnesota game. All you have to do is read the post to realize this. The 1st half was just as bad, if not worse, than most of the Atlanta game. I don't know how anyone can argue this.

I remember many dropped balls, penetration on literally every other play, no QB in the NFL would've looked stellar against that, get a hold of yourself.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Dblj55:
If the offense plays as bad next week as it did against Atlanta, Sing might make the change at QB. I hope I never have to come back to this thread and Hill and the offense start to gel and 9ers keep winning. Man, these bye weeks sure seem to last a long time.

Hmm, I wonder how Alex Smith performs without Gore.

Probably as good as Hill.

I don't know, Hill had some very impressive drives and had a damn good game against the Vikings. Alex...he has a highlight real that keeps looping his 3 great plays in the NFL.

You didn't watch the Vikings game did you? That was a horrible game at QB. Absolutely atrocious QB play for the entire 1st half and a small handful of good plays in the 2nd. The only reason we're even in that game is Defense and special teams.



Okay...he wasn't Manning, but horrible? atrocious? I think you are talking about the oline/wr/te/rb's??? you obviously missed that game...

I remember many droped balls, penetration on literally every other play, no QB in the NFL would've looked stellar against that, get a hold of yourself.

There's a large amount of ground to cover between atrocious to stellar. The 1st half of that game he played as bad as any pro QB I've ever seen. He did absolutely nothing to help the team, nothing.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Wow..I agree Hill isnt the end all-be all QB for us but to say his play thus far has been "atrocious" is a little on the crazy side.

Look, I'm rooting for Smith to be the guy just as much as any other fan but Hill is winning games MORE than a majority of the time. How is that "atroicious" QB play?

His only "atrocious" play was against the Falcons IMO.

I was talking about the 1st half of the Minnesota game. All you have to do is read the post to realize this. The 1st half was just as bad, if not worse, than most of the Atlanta game. I don't know how anyone can argue this.

I remember many dropped balls, penetration on literally every other play, no QB in the NFL would've looked stellar against that, get a hold of yourself.

Do you have a point though? I was responding to someone that said he played great in that game. So you're basically agreeing with me that he looked horrible. Thanks.
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I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
Wow..I agree Hill isnt the end all-be all QB for us but to say his play thus far has been "atrocious" is a little on the crazy side.

Look, I'm rooting for Smith to be the guy just as much as any other fan but Hill is winning games MORE than a majority of the time. How is that "atroicious" QB play?

His only "atrocious" play was against the Falcons IMO.

I was talking about the 1st half of the Minnesota game. All you have to do is read the post to realize this. The 1st half was just as bad, if not worse, than most of the Atlanta game. I don't know how anyone can argue this.

I don't agree with the atrocious statement for the whole Minnesota game, but I have to agree he was terrible the first half.
I don't think Hill fans get the big picture. Hill is a 29 year old career backup. Theres a reason why Mike Tice didn't play him, theres a reason why Norv Turner didn't play him and theres a reason why Mike Martz didn't start him. This is a guy who has reached his maximum potential. he's not going to get any better. So where does this leave us as an organization? Are we gonna continue to ride him for years to come? I mean, he's got a good record so maybe he'll continue to start for us for the rest of his career? How does that sound?

I mean, we all wanna see our team make the playoffs and if Hill gives us the best chance at getting there then so be it but where do we go from there? The whole notion of having a game manager under center was only solidified because we were suppose to have a top tier defense. But when our defense is giving up 45 points to sub par teams and we have a career backup at our quarterback position where does that leave us? What will our future be at the quarterback position? Is Alex Smith the answer? I know he has bad statistics but anyone who's seen him play knows he throws an accurate football. But how will we know if he's our future if we leave him on the bench when he's 100% healthy?

I have nothing against Shaun Hill but I just can't see this guy as our franchise guy going into the next few years. I know a lot of Hill fans will turn around and say that Nate Davis is the future but how do we know? He only got a chance to throw against 5th stringers, the same 5th stringers who let Coffee run circles around them and we've seen what Coffee does against 1st string defenses... Alex Smith can play and in the past he hasn't had the talent or the coaching that he has around him now. If Hill is going to continue to stand in his squatty stance and make himself 5'9 so he can no longer see over his linemen and then run into a guard and get sacked then I say we need to put in Smith.

[ Edited by Mospeed on Oct 16, 2009 at 15:32:36 ]
I agree with you Mospeed. I still support Hill but I agree.
Originally posted by Mospeed:
I don't think Hill fans get the big picture. Hill is a 29 year old career backup. Theres a reason why Mike Tice didn't play him, theres a reason why Norv Turner didn't play him and theres a reason why Mike Martz didn't start him. This is a guy who has reached his maximum potential. he's not going to get any better. So where does this leave us as an organization? Are we gonna continue to ride him for years to come? I mean, he's got a good record so maybe he'll continue to start for us for the rest of his career? How does that sound?

I mean, we all wanna see our team make the playoffs and if Hill gives us the best chance at getting there then so be it but where do we go from there? The whole notion of having a game manager under center was only solidified because we're suppose to have a top tier defense. But when our defense is giving up 45 points to a sub par team and we have a career backup at our quarterback position where does that leave us? What will our future be at the quarterback position? Is Alex Smith the answer? I know he has bad statistics but anyone who's seen him play knows he throws an accurate football. But how will we know if he's our future if we leave him on the bench when he's 100% healthy?

I have nothing against Shaun Hill but I just can't see this guy as our franchise guy going into the next few years. I know a lot of Hill fans will turn around and say that Nate Davis is the future but how do we know? He only got a chance to throw against 5th stringers, the same 5th stringers who let Coffee run circles around them and we've seen what Coffee does against 1st string defenses... Alex Smith can play and in the past he hasn't had the talent or the coaching that he has around him now. If Hill is going to continue to stand in his squatty stance and make himself 5'9 so he can no longer see over his linemen and then run into a guard and get sacked then I say we need to put in Smith.

Singletary want a game manager who won't throw too many interceptions. Alex will get his chance if a) Hill gets hurt b) Hill turns the ball over too much c) we are out of contention.

Singletary believes Hill gives us the best chance to win right now. The future will take care of itself.
Originally posted by Mospeed:
I don't think Hill fans get the big picture. Hill is a 29 year old career backup. Theres a reason why Mike Tice didn't play him, theres a reason why Norv Turner didn't play him and theres a reason why Mike Martz didn't start him. This is a guy who has reached his maximum potential. he's not going to get any better. So where does this leave us as an organization? Are we gonna continue to ride him for years to come? I mean, he's got a good record so maybe he'll continue to start for us for the rest of his career? How does that sound?

I mean, we all wanna see our team make the playoffs and if Hill gives us the best chance at getting there then so be it but where do we go from there? The whole notion of having a game manager under center was only solidified because we're suppose to have a top tier defense. But when our defense is giving up 45 points to a sub par team and we have a career backup at our quarterback position where does that leave us? What will our future be at the quarterback position? Is Alex Smith the answer? I know he has bad statistics but anyone who's seen him play knows he throws an accurate football. But how will we know if he's our future if we leave him on the bench when he's 100% healthy?

I have nothing against Shaun Hill but I just can't see this guy as our franchise guy going into the next few years. I know a lot of Hill fans will turn around and say that Nate Davis is the future but how do we know? He only got a chance to throw against 5th stringers, the same 5th stringers who let Coffee run circles around them and we've seen what Coffee does against 1st string defenses... Alex Smith can play and in the past he hasn't had the talent or the coaching that he has around him now. If Hill is going to continue to stand in his squatty stance and make himself 5'9 so he can no longer see over his linemen and then run into a guard and get sacked then I say we need to put in Smith.

Atlanta is not a sub par team, but I see what you are saying, and that is how I feel too. With Hill, we are just running in place. No one claims that Smith is a sure fire thing, but we have to find out what we have with him, because despite all of the from the "football geniuses", we do not know. To me, he looked much more confident and although rusty, he played every bit as good as Hill in the preseason, and showed more pocket presence than Hill. The question is do you risk the future to maybe make the playoffs this year with a guy that has probably reached his potential, or do we try to develop the guy that still has room to grow? I think we are good enough to win the west with whichever QB we put in there, Smith just makes the team a little more dynamic.
Originally posted by Squirrel:
I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?

I think you will be ok.....try it out.




*one less annoying webzone poster, yes!*
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
Originally posted by Gavintech:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by 49ers1fan1982:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Dblj55:
If the offense plays as bad next week as it did against Atlanta, Sing might make the change at QB. I hope I never have to come back to this thread and Hill and the offense start to gel and 9ers keep winning. Man, these bye weeks sure seem to last a long time.

Hmm, I wonder how Alex Smith performs without Gore.

Probably as good as Hill.

I don't know, Hill had some very impressive drives and had a damn good game against the Vikings. Alex...he has a highlight real that keeps looping his 3 great plays in the NFL.

You didn't watch the Vikings game did you? That was a horrible game at QB. Absolutely atrocious QB play for the entire 1st half and a small handful of good plays in the 2nd. The only reason we're even in that game is Defense and special teams.



Okay...he wasn't Manning, but horrible? atrocious? I think you are talking about the oline/wr/te/rb's??? you obviously missed that game...

I remember many droped balls, penetration on literally every other play, no QB in the NFL would've looked stellar against that, get a hold of yourself.

Niner QB's can't have any excuses anymore. That dictum got set a few years back.

[ Edited by BHulman on Oct 16, 2009 at 15:59:18 ]
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?

I think you will be ok.....try it out.




*one less annoying webzone poster, yes!*


Annoying because I'm expressing my opinions? How narrow-minded of you. After all, Heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that differs from yours.

I'm sorry to have offended you and your idol, Captain Wounded Duck.
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?

I think you will be ok.....try it out.




*one less annoying webzone poster, yes!*


Annoying because I'm expressing my opinions? How narrow-minded of you. After all, Heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that differs from yours.

I'm sorry to have offended you and your idol, Captain Wounded Duck.

throwing out words like Captain Wounded Duck, Posting pictures of Ducks and as well as posting the idea of mailing a dead duck to 9er HQ, imo, not a mature way of expressing opinion on a 9er board.....now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on.

[ Edited by Afrikan on Oct 16, 2009 at 16:03:55 ]
Originally posted by dirtysouthniner:
Originally posted by Mospeed:
I don't think Hill fans get the big picture. Hill is a 29 year old career backup. Theres a reason why Mike Tice didn't play him, theres a reason why Norv Turner didn't play him and theres a reason why Mike Martz didn't start him. This is a guy who has reached his maximum potential. he's not going to get any better. So where does this leave us as an organization? Are we gonna continue to ride him for years to come? I mean, he's got a good record so maybe he'll continue to start for us for the rest of his career? How does that sound?

I mean, we all wanna see our team make the playoffs and if Hill gives us the best chance at getting there then so be it but where do we go from there? The whole notion of having a game manager under center was only solidified because we're suppose to have a top tier defense. But when our defense is giving up 45 points to a sub par team and we have a career backup at our quarterback position where does that leave us? What will our future be at the quarterback position? Is Alex Smith the answer? I know he has bad statistics but anyone who's seen him play knows he throws an accurate football. But how will we know if he's our future if we leave him on the bench when he's 100% healthy?

I have nothing against Shaun Hill but I just can't see this guy as our franchise guy going into the next few years. I know a lot of Hill fans will turn around and say that Nate Davis is the future but how do we know? He only got a chance to throw against 5th stringers, the same 5th stringers who let Coffee run circles around them and we've seen what Coffee does against 1st string defenses... Alex Smith can play and in the past he hasn't had the talent or the coaching that he has around him now. If Hill is going to continue to stand in his squatty stance and make himself 5'9 so he can no longer see over his linemen and then run into a guard and get sacked then I say we need to put in Smith.

Singletary want a game manager who won't throw too many interceptions. Alex will get his chance if a) Hill gets hurt b) Hill turns the ball over too much c) we are out of contention.

Singletary believes Hill gives us the best chance to win right now. The future will take care of itself.

All 3 could happen.
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Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
Originally posted by Afrikan:
Originally posted by Squirrel:
I wonder what kind of legal ramifications there would be if I were to send a dead duck to Shaun Hill, care of 49ers Headquarters?

I think you will be ok.....try it out.




*one less annoying webzone poster, yes!*


Annoying because I'm expressing my opinions? How narrow-minded of you. After all, Heaven forbid anyone express an opinion that differs from yours.

I'm sorry to have offended you and your idol, Captain Wounded Duck.

throwing out words like Captain Wounded Duck, Posting pictures of Ducks and as well as posting the idea of mailing a dead duck to 9er HQ, imo, not a mature way of expressing opinion on a 9er board.....now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on.



First of all, it's a minor thing, but I didn't post the picture of the dead duck. I quoted the message, but that's beside the point.

I guess humor and sarcasm isn't allowed, then? Get a grip. You're not the big dog on the boards. If I want to express my disgust of the starting quarterback by coming up with stupid names and making jokes about it, then that's my right until a mod tells me to knock it off. If you want to keep stroking Capt. Wounded Duck's and your ego, that's your right.

Now, it is my right as a person to have my own opinions. I'm of the opinion that Hill's throws are some of the ugliest I have ever seen.

Now, as to your puerile comment: "now if you are indeed 10 years old, then I do apologize.....so I'm sorry, carry on." It's what one would expect from someone who clearly can't come up with a decent response to my post. It's quite sad, actually. Here we have this guy posting on some message board, proclaiming to be the end-all-be-all authority on quarterback play, and yet, all he can do is whip out the tired and pathetic "you must be 10 years old" flame.
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