Originally posted by Memphis9er:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Overkill:
Green Bay's struggles at OL weren't simply a product of injuries or limited to a single position. They had shaky play all across the line for most of the season (with the exception of Clifton) and still had huge questions in the playoffs. Bulaga struggled with speed rushers throughout the year, and got owned by Lamar Woodley in the SB (at least 5 pressures). The LG (forgot his name) was the only capable run blocker but also did his best traffic cone impression on passing plays. The RG & C were average (at best) when pass blocking and never got any push when run blocking. This wasn't a line anchored by studs that overcame a few weak spots. And the Green Bay passing attack was effective long before the playoffs. Swap GB's OL for ours and I'm not sure you'd see much of a record change for either team.
The Pittsburgh-AZ SB featured lines with multiple holes on each side, too.
I know this topic comes close to one that makes a lot of zoners lose all rationality, but the truth is that OL & QB affect each other. Any argument about which affects the other more strikes me as a matter of opinion, but in the overall scheme of things, I'd say its obvious QB play is more important than OL play.
Maybe in the overall scheme of things, but if you oline doesn't pass block worth a f**k, then your QB is going to have a really hard time. To make a blanket statement like the bolded above shows a general ignorance of how the game of football works, if the oline doesn't work, your offense is s**tty...period. I asked earlier for one of you "QB makes the line look bad" guys to tell me how that can possible work other than a QB holding the ball too long...I am still waiting on a response. It is basic and common knowledge that the game of football starts with the lines, if you guys don't comprehend that, I feel sorry for you cause that is something even the most noobish of football fans should know.
I'm not sure if you did not read my first post, you completely failed to grasp anything I said, or simply chose to skip straight to inciting me.
Either way, I've laid out examples where teams with bad lines didn't have sh*tty offenses in previous posts.
Some QB's are also simply better at avoiding the rush than others, knowing when to step up into the pocket while their colleagues seem to have a knack for stumbling into pressure. That's called pocket presence. Others are simply harder to take down once contact is made or athletic enough to escape pursuing defenders. Either way, they're able to make plays and have "non-sh*tty" offenses with subpar lines.
You want to know how else a QB can make impact a line? Well, this is the first time you've directed the question to me, but your answer is easy. Protection calls. QB's regularly adjust protections for what they see because the center's field of view is limited once he assumes his stance. I'm surprised somebody had to tell you that, honestly.
Now, if you have something intelligent to say, than say it. Make your case. Convince me. But if all you got is more of your usual lazy, condescending attacks that involve stammering the word "ignorant" while spouting absolutist remarks, than save it. You'll embarrass yourself less that way.