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Ray Ratto hates the 49ers!

Ratto is a poor man's Scott Ostler. And by poor, I'm talking homeless. He tries so hard to be funny...and isn't. I've always been amazed at how long he's been a featured writer in major publications.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Ratto is just being realistic, what the hell have the Niners done in the last seven years other than suck ass!!

Let the ass sucking end and the ass kicking begian!!!!!


So get of the Rats back and take of the rose tinted glasses, we have not been picking in the top third of the drat every year because we are so freaking great!

There isn't a single player on this offense that could have started for Walsh in the eighties and Willis and Smith are the only defenders worthy of that era!

Really?

Don't you think that you are overstating this somewhat?

Gore couldn't start for Walsh? Gore is great but I don't think he is a Walsh Guy, not a Ricky Watters, Rodger Craig receiver in the backfield, but still a great back Bill might not drat a Gore but you are right he could find work for him!

I think that Walsh would have given his eyeteeth to have a talented player like Davis to mold into a solid TE. Here I gotta disagree, Bill would not put up with the drops PERIOD
You don't think that he could do something with Hill and Morgan? Hill and Morgan aren't yet locks to start, so I wasn't rally thinking about them, Crabtree is more in the Walsh "big body graet hands" mold Pure Speed was not a big thing to Bill just look a D. Clark!

I know what he would have done with a "so so player" like Battle. It would have opened up another scoring avenue for him that's for sure. That WR screen that Bill loved so much could have gone vertical, oh but wait it did when he had Rice, huh?
Battle acutally has the best chance at being a 'Walsh" guy becuase of his handsm sure I'll give you that.

Not saying that Battle is anywhere near GOATs' league. But if I can count 5 guys that Walsh would have loved to coach(knowing what I do about the man) you can best be sure to double that. Hey Bill worked with what he had when he got here, but do you think he would have drafted ANY player on this offense? I think you are right that Walsh could have worked with and would have played these guys, I just don't see him drafting a Smith or VD

I find it hysterical that people hate our team so much at this time that they overstate things more than they deserve to be. At least I know that you were never paid to be coach Walsh's mouthpiece. Why the personal attack?, kinda cheap no pointer there, sorry lacks a little class

~Ceadder

Maybe I was kinda hasty, but I still feel that Bill Walsh would not have picked any of these guys, other than Crabtree. Think about those teams, everybody had great hands, the phrase "so many weapons" was created to describe the Niners! There is a lot of talent on this team and I expect good things, I just expect different good things! Moran Norris will never make me forget Rathman! VD will never out shine Brent Jones, sorry he won't he will do well we will flat back a few linebackers, and yes he will make some catches, but he doesn't have the hands to play Bill Walsh football.

As for deffending the Rat all I can say is he is a fan, and like some of us fans we want to win we expect hreat moves and great choices and great coaching at all times, realistic not really but thats okay we are fans!

Just because we expect more doesn't make us "haters", just like apologizing and always looking on the bright side doesn't make you a "lightweight" fan, it just makes you a 49er fan and my brother!



Bro -

[ Edited by GolittaCamper on Jun 7, 2009 at 18:44:21 ]
Maybe Ratto got pissed when the 49ers press box put a limit on him for the buffet?
Originally posted by Sactown49er:
Maybe Ratto got pissed when the 49ers press box put a limit on him for the buffet?

More than likely when they took out the Bar!
I have my issues with Ratto as a writer, but I am NOT bothered about how critical he is of the team. People around the zone don't seem to understand the difference between journalists and fans. We're fans, and so it's our job to be optimistic and talk every off season about how we'll probably win the division even thought we haven't had a winning off season in 7 years. Ratto is a journalist, and it's his job to be critical of the team's actions, and them out when they screw up or lie.

Now, I personally think the Matts are much better journalists. But I understand that they try harder to maintain a good relationship with the team so they can keep their access and thus, won't be as openly critical. So, IMO, it's good that we have both journalists like the Matts that are close with the team and journalists like Ratto and Kawakami that are willing to go after the team. Often, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Ratto hates everything. It's schtick.

Exactly. He is the successor to well known s**t disturber, Glenn Dickey. It's his persona, not anything personal. Personally, I am amused by his eternally negative view of the sporting world.
Originally posted by longtime49erfan:
I am sick and tired of seeing webzone post articles written by 49er-hater Ratto. I lived in the Bay area for seven years and I have NEVER read a Ratto article about the 49ers that was positive.

His latest piece of offal may be found here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/07/SPO31828OI.DTL

Why does this site give such a crappy writer - not a journalist but rather a sour commentator - publicity and promotion by posting his worthless anti-49er commentaries?

In his latest piece of trash he ridicules Santa Clara residents in a feeble attempt to get them to oppose building a new stadium for the 49ers in their city. He seems to live to do whatever he can to hurt the 49ers.

I sincerely hope that Santa Clarans will see through this obvious attempt to manipulate them by a man whose credibility is in question. I hope they will vote up or down based on the merits of building the stadium, regardless of what unqualified "sportswriters" may suggest.

Am I alone or do others share my view of this excuse for a sportswriter?

I read that article ealier and though it was absolutely awful. I thought he was trying to convince the residents of Santa Clara to deny the stadium so the Niners will have to remain in SF.
Originally posted by Ceadderman:
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Ratto is just being realistic, what the hell have the Niners done in the last seven years other than suck ass!!

Let the ass sucking end and the ass kicking begian!!!!!


So get of the Rats back and take of the rose tinted glasses, we have not been picking in the top third of the drat every year because we are so freaking great!

There isn't a single player on this offense that could have started for Walsh in the eighties and Willis and Smith are the only defenders worthy of that era!

Really?

Don't you think that you are overstating this somewhat?

Gore couldn't start for Walsh?
I think that Walsh would have given his eyeteeth to have a talented player like Davis to mold into a solid TE.
You don't think that he could do something with Hill and Morgan?
I know what he would have done with a "so so player" like Battle. It would have opened up another scoring avenue for him that's for sure. That WR screen that Bill loved so much could have gone vertical, oh but wait it did when he had Rice, huh?

Not saying that Battle is anywhere near GOATs' league. But if I can count 5 guys that Walsh would have loved to coach(knowing what I do about the man) you can best be sure to double that.

I find it hysterical that people hate our team so much at this time that they overstate things more than they deserve to be. At least I know that you were never paid to be coach Walsh's mouthpiece.

~Ceadder

I don't think any of our receivers would have started on our teams under Bill Walsh (I'm not including Isaac Bruce). Morgan, Hill and Crabtree haven't been around long enough to know how good they are. With the talent Walsh had assembled at the receiver position, it's doubtful any of them would be able to crack the starting lineup unless they step up big-time. Battle is mediocre at best and wouldn't start over any of the guys Walsh had.

Vernon Davis may have been coached into the beast he should be if Walsh was coaching him, so I think he might have been able to start and flourish on Walsh's teams.

Gore would definitely been able to start for Bill Walsh.

[ Edited by 49erRider on Jun 7, 2009 at 19:20:27 ]
Originally posted by 49erRider:
Originally posted by longtime49erfan:
I am sick and tired of seeing webzone post articles written by 49er-hater Ratto. I lived in the Bay area for seven years and I have NEVER read a Ratto article about the 49ers that was positive.

His latest piece of offal may be found here: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/06/07/SPO31828OI.DTL

Why does this site give such a crappy writer - not a journalist but rather a sour commentator - publicity and promotion by posting his worthless anti-49er commentaries?

In his latest piece of trash he ridicules Santa Clara residents in a feeble attempt to get them to oppose building a new stadium for the 49ers in their city. He seems to live to do whatever he can to hurt the 49ers.

I sincerely hope that Santa Clarans will see through this obvious attempt to manipulate them by a man whose credibility is in question. I hope they will vote up or down based on the merits of building the stadium, regardless of what unqualified "sportswriters" may suggest.

Am I alone or do others share my view of this excuse for a sportswriter?

I read that article ealier and though it was absolutely awful. I thought he was trying to convince the residents of Santa Clara to deny the stadium so the Niners will have to remain in SF.

Exactly what I thought when I read the article, and that is my point!

Ratto appears to be trying to manipulate Santa Clarans into doing what he wants... and he wants any efforts made by the 49ers - about anything - to fail.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
I have my issues with Ratto as a writer, but I am NOT bothered about how critical he is of the team. People around the zone don't seem to understand the difference between journalists and fans. We're fans, and so it's our job to be optimistic and talk every off season about how we'll probably win the division even thought we haven't had a winning off season in 7 years. Ratto is a journalist, and it's his job to be critical of the team's actions, and them out when they screw up or lie.

Now, I personally think the Matts are much better journalists. But I understand that they try harder to maintain a good relationship with the team so they can keep their access and thus, won't be as openly critical. So, IMO, it's good that we have both journalists like the Matts that are close with the team and journalists like Ratto and Kawakami that are willing to go after the team. Often, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Actually, Ray Ratto is NOT a journalist, he is a commentator.

I am a professional broadcast journalist.

A journalist writes about the facts. If he or she is a good writer, then s/he writes about the facts in an entertaining way that gets people to pay attention.

In the case of a sports team, if a writer purports to cover that team, then he should write about both negative AND positive things concerning the team. There is no question but that the 49ers have many positive things going on with the team. Yet Ratto NEVER writes about those aspects of the team.

The difference between a journalist and a commentator is that a journalist actually works to find out the facts and then to relay them to his readers/listeners/viewers. A commentator simply expresses his own prejudices, judgments and attitudes to anyone who will watch/listen/read his articles.

In other words, Ray Ratto is NOT a journalist. He is nothing more than a commentator.

Webzone should stop posting his articles. The Chronicle should just get rid of him.

[ Edited by longtime49erfan on Jun 7, 2009 at 19:46:36 ]
I'm glad someone else brought this topic up because I was pretty shocked at how anti-49ers his article was. Is that guy a die-hard Raiders fan or something??
Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
Ratto is just being realistic, what the hell have the Niners done in the last seven years other than suck ass!!

Let the ass sucking end and the ass kicking begian!!!!!


So get of the Rats back and take of the rose tinted glasses, we have not been picking in the top third of the drat every year because we are so freaking great!

There isn't a single player on this offense that could have started for Walsh in the eighties and Willis and Smith are the only defenders worthy of that era!

Ratto was a jagoff even when we were good.

I've lived in the Bay and read his sh!t all my life...he's awful. I try to avoid him, but sometimes the headlines grab me. Three paragraphs in & I'm always shaking my head at Ratto's cholesterol fueled tirades against common sense.
Originally posted by AXEGRINDER:
Ray Ratto sucks. His articles are giberish. The Chronicle should eliminate him from at least the front page. He and Ralph Barbieri are from the same mold of constant negativity. That's primarily why I don't read his crap anymore.

agree 100%..............................just don't pay him any attention
Originally posted by m_brockalexander:
Originally posted by SonocoNinerFan:
Ratto hates everything. It's schtick.

Exactly. He is the successor to well known s**t disturber, Glenn Dickey. It's his persona, not anything personal. Personally, I am amused by his eternally negative view of the sporting world.


He actually cracks me up too. I get a kick out of him when he's on KNBR or Chronicle Live on Comcast.
Originally posted by WheresWaldo:
He's a fat guy with a mustache. Who cares if he hates us? Everyone is laughing at the fat guy with a mustache.


lol