Originally posted by WINiner:Originally posted by Shorteous:Originally posted by WINiner:Originally posted by Shorteous:
Then why in the world would you even initially complain about the stadium design (which you didn't understand) in the first place. Unless you really believe that most of the crowd noise comes from the upper decks??? Or you were trying to say that only the mellow mushrooms could afford to fill the 40k of seats in the bottom rows and all us average joes will be riding tandem on the upper deck seats??? You defiantly just contradicted yourself and in doing so ousted yourself as only being here to be a nah say'er or inept at critical thinking..... massive fail on your part hahaha
Ya, ok the top brings all the noise.
Plus if you do a little research you'll find that the two points of emphasis when the stadium was designed was to maximize sound and experience, I get how it doesn't look like it will be loud. I'm sure there is a plethora of engineering tricks used to help sound magnification and just because it doesn't fit our cookie cutter idea of what would be the best method doesn't mean it's not. Remember if engineering was so obvious and straight forward don't you think we'd all do it??
By your own design, the Yorks are offering a stadium more like
how exactly is that going to keep the noise in? Also as I have posted elsewhere, how exactly does this foster a rabid, crowd involved, football experience? It makes for a beach party type evironment, which is fun and all, just not what should be the focus for a FOOTBALL stadium, imo.
Once again I'll try and point out the same exact thing and see if you pick up on it and we can use your example if you'd like. If you have 30-40 thousand people at ground level you are going to have a massive amount of noise at the field level. Although in a open stadium you loose out on the ability to reflect sound back down this in itself is a supplement at best to real sound. If you think that because there isn't as many seats in the upper teir that we'll be loosing alot of noise I have to ask you if you think that the sound created up there has the same effect on the field as the sound created at field level? In addition alot of your no fun fans can be in their glass boxes so that the roudy fans don't have to worry about standing up and cheering.
I think at this point if you Don't agree you never will and that's fine. Personally I think having a giant lower field is going to make it really loud on the field and if you argue that we don't have the fan base for that then it falls more on the fans then it does stadium design which renders your disproval moot anyways.
If you think the stadium is bland and boring then that's personal taste but if you ask me these preliminary pictures look pretty awesome and unique. http://www.49ers.com/stadium/49ers_stadium.php?section=ST%20Stadium%20Tour
I understand the intent of the huge bowl, but answer me this. What "type" of fan do you think it is that will be filling the majority of those seats. Hardcore webzone like fans who will make all kind of noise and support the team, or do you think it's more likely filled with 70-80% wine and chees folks who will be sittin on their hands?
See the problem with the huge lower bowl in the SF area is this. In my opinion, most lower seats in a stadium are filled with people who earn more cash. People who are larger earners tend to be less vocal at sporting events, and many only go to show status. The real loud and raucous fans sit in the middle sections at EVERY stadium I have ever been to. Now I have not been to EVERY stadium, and actually very few of the NFL's stadiums (GB, CHI, ARI, MIN) but each several times. Invariably the middle section, the section consisting of more middle class folks, is the loudest and most into the game, atleast from my experiences.
To wrap it up, SF has always been known for having a wine and cheese crowd who sometimes lack the enthusiasm that other teams fanbases display. The stadium design can go a long way towards changing that fact/perception, yet the current design only fosters that kind of crowd imo. We will see a big ol wine/cheese tasting like environment in that huge lower bowl, but those folks are not the REAL 49er fans, for the most part, and therefor the team looses what could be an audible advantage.
Again all, this is just my personal opinion. I am happy as a clam the team is likely getting a new stadium, I just wish the Yorks would have designed it with the hardcore and vocal fans in mind and not the corporations that they are going to sell those lower bowl tickets to.
Well by that logic then Seattle should be a very mellow atmosphere because the price of living in Seattle is through the roof and only the wealthiest would be able to afford to go to the game. And the cheap seats in that stadium are regulated to the endzone that looks like half a football.
Yet these fans make a lot of money and they are very loud. One of the toughest stadiums to play in. Your making a huge rationalization by assuming just because a person has a good income he will not be very loud.
In actuality it is the fan base that determines how loud the stadium is, not the stadium design. When the Eagles moved from the Vet to their new place, they did not lose any of their reputation. It doesn't matter if you put them in a high school stadium, they will be just as rabid and crazy and crued as they always are.
A stdium is not going to change the character of the fans. The places you have mentioned have always had crazy fans regardless of what stadium you put them in. Stadium has very little to do with your arguement.
The Character and atmosphere of a teams home field is determined by the Fans, not the stadium design.