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Frank Gore Thread

isnt the rule you block the inside rusher
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Kap can't throw a fade to save his life. I love the dude and I'm excited about his as the future QB for the next 5-10 years but this play and the play at the end to Crabtree were the same thing I've seen all season - he can throw it 60 yards but can't throw that fade


but this wasn't supposed to be a fade, he threw it up because the rusher got to him. Moss cut inside and was open.

well Kap obviously was throwing to the outside ....


because he just threw it up off his back foot when the guy got to him in 1 second flat.

well that's a theory


if you watch it you can see, it wasn't a fade, the ball sailed on him.

the ball sailing on him would mean the throw was high but in Moss' direction. This wasn't. That was either a back shoulder or fade attempt, but more importantly miscommunication between him and Moss who obviously broke to the inside. The point remains, and I'm including all previous games, the man could not throw a fade this season


No, he just threw it because he didn't have time for the play to develop because Gore missed the block.

ok
I guess this situation and the final possession was a sign of inexperience in these types of situations when it comes to reading defenses and figuring out the best options. I remember a lot people saying that Kaep's inexperience would be our downfall. I know we had a QB on the roster that has been in these types of situations and came through in the clutch. Ugh, those guys were right!
[ Edited by Sugar_Rush on Feb 6, 2013 at 1:56 PM ]
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Kap can't throw a fade to save his life. I love the dude and I'm excited about his as the future QB for the next 5-10 years but this play and the play at the end to Crabtree were the same thing I've seen all season - he can throw it 60 yards but can't throw that fade


I don't necessarily disagree with that, as one of the issues is that he needs to develop better touch on his passes, and a fade requires great touch. Now having said that, on the last throw, Crabree was never in a position to catch a fade. He ran right up to the CB and initiated contact with him, which I don't understand. He should have made a quick move to the corner of the endzone where he would have had a much better chance to catch the ball.
Originally posted by Sugar_Rush:
I guess this situation and the final possession was a sign of inexperience in these types of situations when it comes to reading defenses and figuring out the best options. I remember a lot people saying that Kaep's inexperience would be our downfall. I know we had a QB on the roster that has been in these types of situations and came through in the clutch. Ugh, those guys were right!


Except that the 49ers would more than likely not have been in the Super Bowl to begin with the other QB on the roster.
Originally posted by real9erfan:
Originally posted by Sugar_Rush:
I guess this situation and the final possession was a sign of inexperience in these types of situations when it comes to reading defenses and figuring out the best options. I remember a lot people saying that Kaep's inexperience would be our downfall. I know we had a QB on the roster that has been in these types of situations and came through in the clutch. Ugh, those guys were right!


Except that the 49ers would more than likely not have been in the Super Bowl to begin with the other QB on the roster.

There's a 50/50 chance you are wrong with that statement, but the guys were 100% right about his inexperience being our downfall.
Originally posted by Sugar_Rush:
Originally posted by real9erfan:
Originally posted by Sugar_Rush:
I guess this situation and the final possession was a sign of inexperience in these types of situations when it comes to reading defenses and figuring out the best options. I remember a lot people saying that Kaep's inexperience would be our downfall. I know we had a QB on the roster that has been in these types of situations and came through in the clutch. Ugh, those guys were right!


Except that the 49ers would more than likely not have been in the Super Bowl to begin with the other QB on the roster.

There's a 50/50 chance you are wrong with that statement, but the guys were 100% right about his inexperience being our downfall.


That wasn't our downfall. And the chance is not 50/50 that I'm right. The way the defense played in the playoffs makes it highly unlikely, based on the way Smith plays, that we would have been in the Super Bowl with him.
Originally posted by vrabbit:
Kap can't throw a fade to save his life. I love the dude and I'm excited about his as the future QB for the next 5-10 years but this play and the play at the end to Crabtree were the same thing I've seen all season - he can throw it 60 yards but can't throw that fade

This stems more from lack of experience/chemistry with the receivers than ability. -Aaron Rodgers couldn't throw a vertical fade to save his life without staring down the receiver, going into his first year as a starter (4th career year).
[ Edited by SnakePlissken on Feb 6, 2013 at 2:13 PM ]
This was an alarming trend in the RZ. Unblocked defenders. All the more reason we shouldn't have gone so spread in those situations.
It is wrong to say Alex wouldn't have got us into the SB, or wouldn't have brought the team back from a deficit. Smith plays differently when the team is behind. When it is ahead and the defense is doing well, he plays conservatively, which drives some of you crazy. But I thought he was coached to play this way. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps H told him to play aggressive, but Alex refused. Perhaps that is why he was benched. But if that was the case, Alex had pretty good success with his philosophy - 14-4 in 2011, and 6-2 in 2012 - best NFL team W-L record during that time span.
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Originally posted by Leathaface:
This was an alarming trend in the RZ. Unblocked defenders. All the more reason we shouldn't have gone so spread in those situations.

Thats the thing that upset me as well. Why not go with what got us through the season. I would have expected Miller or Walker back there also to pick up a blitz and give the Ravens a thought that we might run.
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Originally posted by excelsior:
It is wrong to say Alex wouldn't have got us into the SB, or wouldn't have brought the team back from a deficit. Smith plays differently when the team is behind. When it is ahead and the defense is doing well, he plays conservatively, which drives some of you crazy. But I thought he was coached to play this way. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps H told him to play aggressive, but Alex refused. Perhaps that is why he was benched. But if that was the case, Alex had pretty good success with his philosophy - 14-4 in 2011, and 6-2 in 2012 - best NFL team W-L record during that time span.


Who cares what Alex would have done
3 things:

1. BAL was definitely offsides
2. The RB is always taught to get the closer defender which Gore was correct in getting the one closer to Kaep.
3. Staley may have went after the wrong player.

Either way, it should have been offside.
Originally posted by excelsior:
It is wrong to say Alex wouldn't have got us into the SB, or wouldn't have brought the team back from a deficit. Smith plays differently when the team is behind. When it is ahead and the defense is doing well, he plays conservatively, which drives some of you crazy. But I thought he was coached to play this way. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps H told him to play aggressive, but Alex refused. Perhaps that is why he was benched. But if that was the case, Alex had pretty good success with his philosophy - 14-4 in 2011, and 6-2 in 2012 - best NFL team W-L record during that time span.


And Kap was 7-3 as a starter. Let's not forget, though, that Alex benefited from a great defense and very good special teams play. He had a hard time coming back in both games we went down this season. At Minnesota, even though the deficit was never all that great, Alex had a terrible game and was never able to bring the team back. Against the Giants he had a total meltdown. To think that all of a sudden he would be able to come back from large deficits is, in my opinion, not based on reality.
let's not turn this into Alex vs Kap, it'll get locked QUICK