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Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by PTulini:
I was just watching "FirstTake" on ESPN2 and they were discussing the 49ers QB battle between Shaun Hill and Alex Smith. New York News Day's Bob Glauber said before this past week's game vs Oakland, Shaun Hill had the slight edge. Now, he said (according to his sources) HC Singletary is "going back to the drawing board." That neither QB did well only combining for 50 passing yards. Glauber said the 49ers QB competition is even again!

I have have to agree with Glauber on this one. It's back to square one boys!

I agree back o square one because smith made a forward stride yesterday while hill regressed.

This recent game i wonder if he looks it a little differently. Smith did gel with the offense on his first drive. Vernon even low fived him on that completed pass. He converted on his third downs, only to fail when bruce dropped one, vd dropped one, and if you look at sing after vernon dropped it, he smiled when he was returning to the sideline, cause he knew vernon should of caught it. Just like Morgan should of caught that ball. As i said and will continue to say as a wide receiver your job is to catch the ball. Each mans hand touched the ball so they all should of been caught.

Like matt b said yesterday, smiths results were deceiving because a lot wasnt his fault. The ball came out quicker, he stepped up, and stayed in the pocket, and threw it away instead of taking the sack like hill. He did drive the ball down the field. He did put his body out there when we were gonna take the loss, he did make the tackle when there was an int instead of letting them score on defense. It was funny because Ellis even said yeah you gotta take a look at a QB that can make a move like that to try and save the play.

What if sing looked at all these things and said to himself you know, i thought it would be wrapped up with hills play, but hill looked horrible. He shined during raiders practices like everyone said but then did worse than any of our qb's. his pass would of been caught for the int. And above all he was on the 4 yard line, and couldnt punch it in. And some said only two run plays and one throw, well on that one throw, maybe it's just me, but in the past many made a big deal about him diving into the endzone and throwing up his hands and all that crap, but he overthrough out the back of the end zone, and if he really wanted to make a statement he should of dove in the end zone. i watched it and he may have gotten tackled, but he could of made the td himself just the same. So now he was just as close as smith but didnt score, he stayed in to make a statement score after the Raiders scored and couldnt get it done.. And so far thats been his M.O., if your going solely based on this years performance through the first two games. Hill has drove the ball, but even in the red zone, all his drives have stalled.
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by PTulini:
I was just watching "FirstTake" on ESPN2 and they were discussing the 49ers QB battle between Shaun Hill and Alex Smith. New York News Day's Bob Glauber said before this past week's game vs Oakland, Shaun Hill had the slight edge. Now, he said (according to his sources) HC Singletary is "going back to the drawing board." That neither QB did well only combining for 50 passing yards. Glauber said the 49ers QB competition is even again!

Some of you would love to believe that, now wouldn't you? LOL.

Hill is our starter...DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE! In fact, embrace it. He's the better QB. Why can't EVERYONE see this?

If Hill is the better QB, then why didn't he prove it this past weekend?

He proved this in his past 10+ regular season games.

Are you seriously putting that much stock in 2 or 3 offensive series' from a preseason game? This just shows how much bias some fans have. You guys are so emotionally attached to Smith that it's getting past the point of absurdity. You will reach and reach trying to find a way to prove that Smith is as good/better than the incumbent, Hill.

For gods sake, Hill didn't even have a bad game. He wasn't sharp, I agree. But Alex Smith was INACCURATE, once again. Refer to mine and ZRFs post about "dropsies" that seem to affect our team when Smith enters.

You guys do realize that this wasn't an even race to start out? Hill was bounds ahead based on his performance from the past two seasons.

Mike Singletary IS NOT an idiot. He knows who to play. Shaun Hill is going start the season and he's not going to have a short leash either.
[ Edited by Leathaface on Aug 24, 2009 at 8:37 AM ]
I dont know what Sing is waiting for. One good/great game does not mean one guy is better than the other. I dont think their will be that seperation he is looking for, because neither QB is probowl caliber at this point. In fact, if all the Niners are looking for is a "game manager" there probably wont be much seperation at all.
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by PTulini:
I was just watching "FirstTake" on ESPN2 and they were discussing the 49ers QB battle between Shaun Hill and Alex Smith. New York News Day's Bob Glauber said before this past week's game vs Oakland, Shaun Hill had the slight edge. Now, he said (according to his sources) HC Singletary is "going back to the drawing board." That neither QB did well only combining for 50 passing yards. Glauber said the 49ers QB competition is even again!

Some of you would love to believe that, now wouldn't you? LOL.

Hill is our starter...DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE! In fact, embrace it. He's the better QB. Why can't EVERYONE see this?

If Hill is the better QB, then why didn't he prove it this past weekend?

Are you seriously putting that much stock in 2 or 3 offensive series' from a preseason game? This just shows how much bias some fans have. You guys are so emotionally attached to Smith that it's getting past the point of absurdity. You will reach and reach trying to find a way to prove that Smith is as good/better than the incumbent, Hill.

For gods sake, Hill didn't even have a bad game. He wasn't sharp, I agree. But Alex Smith was INACCURATE, once again. Refer to mine and ZRFs post about "dropsies" that seem to affect our team when Smith enters.

You guys do realize that this wasn't an even race to start out? Hill was bounds ahead based on his performance from the past two seasons.

Mike Singletary IS NOT an idiot. He knows who to play. Shaun Hill is going start the season and he's not going to have a short leash either.

Believe what you want man. I'm not going to argue with you. All I'm saying is that Hill had a chance to put the QB competition away, and he didn't!
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by PTulini:
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by PTulini:
I was just watching "FirstTake" on ESPN2 and they were discussing the 49ers QB battle between Shaun Hill and Alex Smith. New York News Day's Bob Glauber said before this past week's game vs Oakland, Shaun Hill had the slight edge. Now, he said (according to his sources) HC Singletary is "going back to the drawing board." That neither QB did well only combining for 50 passing yards. Glauber said the 49ers QB competition is even again!

Some of you would love to believe that, now wouldn't you? LOL.

Hill is our starter...DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE! In fact, embrace it. He's the better QB. Why can't EVERYONE see this?

If Hill is the better QB, then why didn't he prove it this past weekend?

Are you seriously putting that much stock in 2 or 3 offensive series' from a preseason game? This just shows how much bias some fans have. You guys are so emotionally attached to Smith that it's getting past the point of absurdity. You will reach and reach trying to find a way to prove that Smith is as good/better than the incumbent, Hill.

For gods sake, Hill didn't even have a bad game. He wasn't sharp, I agree. But Alex Smith was INACCURATE, once again. Refer to mine and ZRFs post about "dropsies" that seem to affect our team when Smith enters.

You guys do realize that this wasn't an even race to start out? Hill was bounds ahead based on his performance from the past two seasons.

Mike Singletary IS NOT an idiot. He knows who to play. Shaun Hill is going start the season and he's not going to have a short leash either.

Believe what you want man. I'm not going to argue with you. All I'm saying is that Hill had a chance to put the QB competition away, and he didn't!

Believe what I want? LOL, I should be telling YOU to believe what YOU want.

All I'm saying is Smith sucks....and he's not proven worthy of a roster spot...yet you guys think he's on even ground...or worse, that he should start, .
Not sure what game you watched but Hill was HORRIBLE, easily the worst of all 3 qb's against the raiders. He couldn't throw the ball 5 yards, maybe he was throwing into 30 mile an hour winds because that's what his throws look like. Sorry but Hill won't get us into the playoffs the defense and run game will. He is 7-3 with 2 wins against the rams...he beat the bengals...the backup buccaneers, the bills, mmmm the jets with turnover favre...hes amazing! Call me when he leads the team to a victory over a good opponent. Homers Fackkkk
Originally posted by Thrash88:
Not sure what game you watched but Hill was HORRIBLE, easily the worst of all 3 qb's against the raiders. He couldn't throw the ball 5 yards, maybe he was throwing into 30 mile an hour winds because that's what his throws look like. Sorry but Hill won't get us into the playoffs the defense and run game will. He is 7-3 with 2 wins against the rams...he beat the bengals...the backup buccaneers, the bills, mmmm the jets with turnover favre...hes amazing! Call me when he leads the team to a victory over a good opponent. Homers Fackkkk

Your qualifications of Hill's wins is disgusting. There's no need to respond further to this trash of a post.
Why? You don't like facts? Hill has not beat a good team in his career sorry to inform you but I'm not a Smith homer either they both have alot of work to do but for you to say Hill wasn't bad Saturday is a joke. Look into things before you run your mouth I know football and I can tell you Hill played the worst of the 3 qb's on Saturday HANDS DOWN.
PS He has had his chances at good teams playing against the Cowboys...The Dolphins...The Cardinals and even the *so so* Seahawks...he lost every one of them
Originally posted by Thrash88:
Why? You don't like facts? Hill has not beat a good team in his career sorry to inform you but I'm not a Smith homer either they both have alot of work to do but for you to say Hill wasn't bad Saturday is a joke. Look into things before you run your mouth I know football and I can tell you Hill played the worst of the 3 qb's on Saturday HANDS DOWN.

Learn to use commas and periods. You lose a lot credibility when you can't use halfway decent grammar in your posts. Yes I'm attacking your grammar and not the content of your post.

As far as football goes, well, you don't really warrant a response. Have a good day.
I'm not gonna attack you personally. But I don't really look into your posts as anything important when you comment on spelling in a FOOTBALL forum. It's funny the second you have facts thrown at you about Hill not being your saviour you go into child mode and whine. That's fine I'm sure your a nice guy but your not a football guy I can tell you that much. To the other real football fans out there looking forward to this weeks game and the on-going battle for the QB-competion I look forward to talking to you all and throwing stats and facts back and forth. And more then anything I look forward to watching the game this Saturday, maybe Hill will lose the girly throw and throw a tight spiral further then 10 yards but then again miracles don't always happen. Take Care all and on that note I must say I LOVE THE NINERS bye!
[ Edited by Thrash88 on Aug 24, 2009 at 9:15 AM ]
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The Dallas game has got to provide the answer for us.
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Originally posted by 9erfanAUS:
Originally posted by excelsior:
Kevin Lynch just did his "Partial Game Analysis." He may not know what he is talking about, but based on his play-by-play review of the QBs, he concluded that "While the recievers have potential, they are not getting separation ... they struggled against back-up corners."

If Lynch is correct, then the lack of productivity from our QBs may fall far more on our WR corp than on ordinary play from our QBs. Instead, they should both be praised for their results under the circumstances.

In fact, Smith may be blessed if he is not selected as the starting QB. He can watch Hill as he labors under difficult circumstances.

I thought about this as well. As much as i'm sure that Smith wants to badly start, it may be best for him to do a Shaun Hill and sit for half the season while continually getting accustomed to the playbook and the NFL.

This of course is assuming that Shaun Hill pulls a JTO which is probably not all that likely.

-9fA

I agree with this line of thinking for three reasons:

1. Hill was the starter last season and until either he shows last year was a flash-in-the-pan or Smith clearly outplays him, he SHOULD remain the starter.

2. Isaac Bruce will be the key to the passing game. He has a very good camp so far, indicating he still has enough gas in the tank to be productive and command the attention of the opponents best CB. That will make life much easier for Hill (or Smith) once the games begin for real. To date, Bruce has played so little that, though Lynch is correct, the WRs were not getting separation, the QBs have not had a full deck.

3. Starting Hill is best for Smith, and the fans. So while no coach should make a decision based on what us worthless fans think, it would be best to let Hill start. If Hill succeeds at the same level as last year, GREAT. If not, then Smith can come in without feeling the added pressure of having to outplay Hill.

I also think it is best for Smith that Hill start the season as he will have the chance to fully absorb the system before being asked to play.

My own observation was that Smith showed more of the poise and decision-making ability Saturday night than he has at any time in the past. Also, he hit Davis in stride on two throws that had not been that good in past years. I'm encouraged but not ready to sit Hill on the bench for all these reasons.
Originally posted by Leathaface:
Originally posted by Thrash88:
Why? You don't like facts? Hill has not beat a good team in his career sorry to inform you but I'm not a Smith homer either they both have alot of work to do but for you to say Hill wasn't bad Saturday is a joke. Look into things before you run your mouth I know football and I can tell you Hill played the worst of the 3 qb's on Saturday HANDS DOWN.

Learn to use commas and periods. You lose a lot credibility when you can't use halfway decent grammar in your posts. Yes I'm attacking your grammar and not the content of your post.

As far as football goes, well, you don't really warrant a response. Have a good day.

Yah, I don't get the whole "Hill only beats bad teams" argument. As a team, we've sucked over the last 5 years, and even beating bad teams has been difficult for us, much less beating good teams.

Not to mention, he's only started 10 games in his whole career, so it's not like there's a huge sample size to draw from.

Seriously, you can't pick and choose who you play and what their records will be...you just go out and play the teams that are scheduled, and you either beat them or you don't. So far, as a starter, he's 7-3. Regardless of who he beat, that's 7 wins in his first 10 starts in the NFL.
Neither one of the QBs looked sharp. I have thought all along that Smith would have to clearly out play Hill to get the starting job, and Smith has defiantly not out played Hill.


End result… Hill starts start season and remains starter until he has a pretty bad game.