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Does it really matter who we acquire on offense unless it's a superstar player? I mean, does it really matter that we got Moran Norris back?

The only reason why we haven't amounted to crap since 2004 is because we haven't had a competent QB or insert a competent QB too late into the season.

This is why I am not wanting any QB competition. Let the guy who has proven it suck before we replace him.
Agreed.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Does it really matter who we acquire on offense unless it's a superstar player? I mean, does it really matter that we got Moran Norris back?

Yes, it matters. All teams have key players who are not superstars. In the case of Moran Norris, Frank Gore calls him "my fullback." That's reason enough to be happy he's back in there pancaking linebackers for Gore.
Originally posted by BrodieFan:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Does it really matter who we acquire on offense unless it's a superstar player? I mean, does it really matter that we got Moran Norris back?

Yes, it matters. All teams have key players who are not superstars. In the case of Moran Norris, Frank Gore calls him "my fullback." That's reason enough to be happy he's back in there pancaking linebackers for Gore.

It may matter for an minor increase in production in our running game, but that's not what has kept us from getting the wins since 2004.

The coaches need to drop this dumb QB competition and go with what works until it doesn't work anymore.
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Here is what Matt B. said today about what the QB depth chart might look like this year ( in answe to a question about possibly drafting White in a later round) ...
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These are the scenarios I see going into the season:

1. Hill, Smith, Huard (White?)
2. Hill, Garcia, Huard, (White?)
3. Hill, Smith, rookie (White or other rookie)
4. Hill, Garcia, rookie. (White or other rookie)

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Looks like Matt has enough sense to know that Hill is the starter and that Alex (if he stays) will be a backup at best.
Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
Here is what Matt B. said today about what the QB depth chart might look like this year ( in answe to a question about possibly drafting White in a later round) ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
These are the scenarios I see going into the season:

1. Hill, Smith, Huard (White?)
2. Hill, Garcia, Huard, (White?)
3. Hill, Smith, rookie (White or other rookie)
4. Hill, Garcia, rookie. (White or other rookie)

----------------------------------------------------------

Looks like Matt has enough sense to know that Hill is the starter and that Alex (if he stays) will be a backup at best.

Yeah, but last year we all thought Hill was starting also. History has shown that these coaches can't decide on their QB. Let's hope Singletary changes this. I have a feeling that unless a QB blows him out of the water, he is not changing Hill's status.

The problem is that Huard has enough experience and success to look very good in front of our QBs to make this decision a tough decision. Let's hope Singletary sticks to his guns with Hill and sees Huard as a very solid insurance policy.

[ Edited by Joecool on Mar 9, 2009 at 14:26:45 ]
Well by your logic who starts?
Hill only played because of injuries
and Smith
Smith only left the starting job because of in injury

So don't they both deserve it?
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Well by your logic who starts?
Hill only played because of injuries
and Smith
Smith only left the starting job because of in injury

So don't they both deserve it?

great post dog.
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
Here is what Matt B. said today about what the QB depth chart might look like this year ( in answe to a question about possibly drafting White in a later round) ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
These are the scenarios I see going into the season:

1. Hill, Smith, Huard (White?)
2. Hill, Garcia, Huard, (White?)
3. Hill, Smith, rookie (White or other rookie)
4. Hill, Garcia, rookie. (White or other rookie)

----------------------------------------------------------

Looks like Matt has enough sense to know that Hill is the starter and that Alex (if he stays) will be a backup at best.

Yeah, but last year we all thought Hill was starting also. History has shown that these coaches can't decide on their QB. Let's hope Singletary changes this. I have a feeling that unless a QB blows him out of the water, he is not changing Hill's status.

I agree. At least when Martz was here, he knew who his QB would be, regardless of how it ended up to be.

For a new HC, you would think the first thing that would be taken care of is the QB position. But now I'm coming to the conclusion that if Sanchez or Stafford is there at #10 one of them will be our starter.

But then again, you would name your starter right away even if a rookie was drafted. That way if he beats your crowned king, it only makes you and your staff look that much better. And if your crowned king does end up starting the season, it would show you made the right decision with him.
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Originally posted by solidg2000:
Well by your logic who starts?
Hill only played because of injuries
and Smith
Smith only left the starting job because of in injury

So don't they both deserve it?

The way I see it, this is a continuation of the QB competition that left off BEFORE JT O'Sullivan came to San Francisco. Obviously the only player that fit into the Martz system was JT O'Sullivan, of course he would beat out Hill and Smith.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
Here is what Matt B. said today about what the QB depth chart might look like this year ( in answe to a question about possibly drafting White in a later round) ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
These are the scenarios I see going into the season:

1. Hill, Smith, Huard (White?)
2. Hill, Garcia, Huard, (White?)
3. Hill, Smith, rookie (White or other rookie)
4. Hill, Garcia, rookie. (White or other rookie)

----------------------------------------------------------

Looks like Matt has enough sense to know that Hill is the starter and that Alex (if he stays) will be a backup at best.

Yeah, but last year we all thought Hill was starting also. History has shown that these coaches can't decide on their QB. Let's hope Singletary changes this. I have a feeling that unless a QB blows him out of the water, he is not changing Hill's status.

I agree. At least when Martz was here, he knew who his QB would be, regardless of how it ended up to be.

For a new HC, you would think the first thing that would be taken care of is the QB position. But now I'm coming to the conclusion that if Sanchez or Stafford is there at #10 one of them will be our starter.

But then again, you would name your starter right away even if a rookie was drafted. That way if he beats your crowned king, it only makes you and your staff look that much better. And if your crowned king does end up starting the season, it would show you made the right decision with him.

I am comfortable with how Singletary makes his decisions. Martz did know who his QB was going to be but his problem was that he didn't know when he should have changed his QB and Nolan didn't have a spine to do anything.

I will be very comfortable if Hill starts with Singletary because Singletary has already shown he won't settle for crap play and pull Hill if needed.
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Originally posted by solidg2000:
Well by your logic who starts?
Hill only played because of injuries
and Smith
Smith only left the starting job because of in injury

So don't they both deserve it?

Hill has earned it by being a winning QB . Smith was only starting because they were giving him every chance to show he should have been the #1 draft pick (Smith failed,when healthy, to show much of anything to anyone !). Hill did not start last year because of Martz and his desire to have JT and because Hill doesn't have the arm to please Martz.

If Smith has his best camp and preseason ever and finally ,for the first time in his NFL career,starts to show something more than his always mediocre play,then I have no objection to that "new" Smith being Hill's backup or if a miracle happens as the starter (LOL).
But from what I know right now about the 3 QB's we have on the roster at this time I would be much more comfortable with Huard as the backup to Hill (preferably with a rookie as the #3 and Smith gone to another team to find himself).
Originally posted by solidg2000:
Well by your logic who starts?
Hill only played because of injuries
and Smith
Smith only left the starting job because of in injury

So don't they both deserve it?

NO because unlike Smith, Hill has actually earned the right to start with his play ON THE FIELD. Smith started because of his play on the practice field and because he was handed opportunities to prove he was worth the #1 overall pick, which he failed to do. Hill deserves the starting role because he has done absolutely nothing to prove otherwise.

[ Edited by 49erRider on Mar 9, 2009 at 14:43:06 ]
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
Here is what Matt B. said today about what the QB depth chart might look like this year ( in answe to a question about possibly drafting White in a later round) ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
These are the scenarios I see going into the season:

1. Hill, Smith, Huard (White?)
2. Hill, Garcia, Huard, (White?)
3. Hill, Smith, rookie (White or other rookie)
4. Hill, Garcia, rookie. (White or other rookie)

----------------------------------------------------------

Looks like Matt has enough sense to know that Hill is the starter and that Alex (if he stays) will be a backup at best.

Yeah, but last year we all thought Hill was starting also. History has shown that these coaches can't decide on their QB. Let's hope Singletary changes this. I have a feeling that unless a QB blows him out of the water, he is not changing Hill's status.

I agree. At least when Martz was here, he knew who his QB would be, regardless of how it ended up to be.

For a new HC, you would think the first thing that would be taken care of is the QB position. But now I'm coming to the conclusion that if Sanchez or Stafford is there at #10 one of them will be our starter.

But then again, you would name your starter right away even if a rookie was drafted. That way if he beats your crowned king, it only makes you and your staff look that much better. And if your crowned king does end up starting the season, it would show you made the right decision with him.

I am comfortable with how Singletary makes his decisions. Martz did know who his QB was going to be but his problem was that he didn't know when he should have changed his QB and Nolan didn't have a spine to do anything.

I will be very comfortable if Hill starts with Singletary because Singletary has already shown he won't settle for crap play and pull Hill if needed
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Very true, which chaps my ass, as to why Singletary hasn't named Hill the starter. After all wouldn't you go into the season with the QB that pretty much adds to the reason that he is our HC??
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by TOP_CAT:
Here is what Matt B. said today about what the QB depth chart might look like this year ( in answe to a question about possibly drafting White in a later round) ...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
These are the scenarios I see going into the season:

1. Hill, Smith, Huard (White?)
2. Hill, Garcia, Huard, (White?)
3. Hill, Smith, rookie (White or other rookie)
4. Hill, Garcia, rookie. (White or other rookie)

----------------------------------------------------------

Looks like Matt has enough sense to know that Hill is the starter and that Alex (if he stays) will be a backup at best.

Yeah, but last year we all thought Hill was starting also. History has shown that these coaches can't decide on their QB. Let's hope Singletary changes this. I have a feeling that unless a QB blows him out of the water, he is not changing Hill's status.

I agree. At least when Martz was here, he knew who his QB would be, regardless of how it ended up to be.

For a new HC, you would think the first thing that would be taken care of is the QB position. But now I'm coming to the conclusion that if Sanchez or Stafford is there at #10 one of them will be our starter.

But then again, you would name your starter right away even if a rookie was drafted. That way if he beats your crowned king, it only makes you and your staff look that much better. And if your crowned king does end up starting the season, it would show you made the right decision with him.

I am comfortable with how Singletary makes his decisions. Martz did know who his QB was going to be but his problem was that he didn't know when he should have changed his QB and Nolan didn't have a spine to do anything.

I will be very comfortable if Hill starts with Singletary because Singletary has already shown he won't settle for crap play and pull Hill if needed
.

Very true, which chaps my ass, as to why Singletary hasn't named Hill the starter. After all wouldn't you go into the season with the QB that pretty much adds to the reason that he is our HC??

Singletary still needs to unlearn some of the things Nolan taught him.