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And the Anti-Heitmann Crowd Suddenly Went Silent

Originally posted by Bluefalcon61:
So what is the point of this thread now?

Need a recap.

Allow me to assist:

MadDog: "All you other posters are not as smart as me, as seen in the fact that you all dare to question the play of Eric Heitman, a particular favorite of mine."

nvchamps: "Why, MadDog, how disingenous of you to presuppose that any poster would criticise a Niner without basis. Even worse, you have somehow come to the erroneous conclusion that others on this board are without any substantive knowledge of football in general, and pro football specifically. I respectfully object."

(I would recap some of the other responses for you as well, but some of them are simply too good--you'll have to read them for yourself.)

We are all presently awaiting MadDog's rejoinder.
wow all that reading was definitely worth it. Still waiting for MD's response..

BTW, I'm all for Heitmann starting, however, I do feel that Baas and Wragge is our future.
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Heitmann is an above average center. But lets not kid ourselves, he ain't Newberry in his prime. I still don't think he plays as well as he did before his injury.

Top NFL Centers (not in order):
Kreutz, Birk, Gurode, O'Hara, Jackson, Satele, Koppen, Mangold, Hartwig, Mawae, Saturday.


That is 11 Centers who IMO are clearly better. So at best, Heitmann is the #12 center in the league although I doubt he is even that high. He probably should get re-signed though.

Edit: By the way, did Newberry start on Monday night? I only caught the end of the game.

Yes, Newberry started and was in on a lot of plays...
Perspective people. It's just the Lions.
"I am never angry when contradicted, I seek to be enlightened."


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I just clicked on this thread and missed a good one.


Dude calls people out. Gets pwnd and tucks his tail between his legs?




Irony is the title of this thread...
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Originally posted by nvchamp9ers:
You know what I have had it up to here with you arrogant ass attitude Maddog. You know what you are even more arrogant than me and football is my job! I deal with it everyday and actually understand it. You know what?? EVERY time I have ever asked you a real high level technical question you have been unable to answer. You know what you read things on the internet and then repost it here as your "gospel" you, "talk to scouts" and use generics terms when talking about players but you know what you never bring up any high level technical information.
I may not be able to write post as articulate as you but you never argue any threads with me when I am talking high level schemes or technique. The fact is "DOG" that you are a high school teacher. The FACT is, that you obviously spend a lot of time reading about football on the internet but let me ask you, do you even coach football at the high school level? No, I already checked, referring back to the name given by Matt in his article. I asked scouts and coaches alike and none of them heard of you. Fact is, that in no way are you involved in the higher level of football. If you are the talent evaluator that you claim to be, then you would be making more money than me, as a head talent scout at either a huge college or a pro team. Yet you stay making nothing as a high school teacher....hmmmm....FACT is if you had all the knowledge you claim to have, you would be able to be my boss easily but you aren't and you don't have that knowledge. Get real, you are a guy who knows how to use the internet to get more info than most about football but in now way are you a talent evaluator or a scout.
What you are is a guy who has gotten way to big for even me to take, and I am known for my arrogance. The difference is when people ask, I am more than willing to talk in depth about scheme and be really cool about it. I will not make a post about how stupid all the other "experts" are. You need to realize who you are, and where you are at in life and put yourself back in check.

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Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Wow MD got pretty much owned in his own thread, that's too bad. On the bright side I with the power invested in me by well no one do here nominate this a Thread of the Year candidate.

I 2nd that! Awesome awesome thread!
lets get back on topic.

Heitmann played well against the Lions, not great but good, against the cards he had a DECENT game, nothing special, gave up some plays and made some plays.
Against the seahawks, he was bad, but so was everybody else on the Oline, less Sims when he came in for Jennings, and Wragge was the only one who had a decent game.
I also didn't like how he was snapping the ball, it was to obvious, but yes he had to do it because of the noise level, but even than only Jennas was the one drawing most of the penalties, and after he left the game he still continued to give that head "fake".

I was a big fan of Heitmann in '06 when he was healthy, it really seems that he lost a step now after his injuries, we really don't have nobody ready to replace him except Baas, but he gets injured way to often to be playing center.
Originally posted by dmbgeek87:
He wasn't good last year, part recovery of his injury, and part scheme.

The criticism of Heitmann is warranted.

You can act high and mighty bout defending Heitmann but tell me this:

if he is, in fact, good, then why haven't the 49ers signed him to an extension while drafting a player in the 4th round to potentially replace him?

Just to hijack the thread for a second:

I grant that NFL drafters tend not to rate centers highly in their priorities, a view I disagree with but still..... Nevertheless with O line as something of a priority and little in the way of depth, if the Niners didn't think that he is, in fact, good, surely they would have done more than take something of a gamble with Wallace? I look on Wallace as an interesting project for 2 or 3 years time. But if Heitman was having right now another year like last year we would surely have been forced to pull him and send out Wragge (I guess) and then suddenly the line starts to look perilously thin again. I refuse to believe we would have started a rookie 4th round pick at this key position, not if we want any living qb's left at the end of the season.

Notwithstanding the rights or wrong of the rest of this entertaining thread, i dont accept that the drafting of Wallace was a statement of lack of faith in Heitman, merely sensible forward planning.
Originally posted by TheGoldStandard:
Irony is the title of this thread...
Originally posted by krizay:



I just clicked on this thread and missed a good one.


Dude calls people out. Gets pwnd and tucks his tail between his legs?





Sup krizay, yeah you missed a good one. I've been avoiding the VD has stones for hands thread myself.
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Originally posted by LeathafaceUCSD:
Originally posted by krizay:



I just clicked on this thread and missed a good one.


Dude calls people out. Gets pwnd and tucks his tail between his legs?





Sup krizay, yeah you missed a good one. I've been avoiding the VD has stones for hands thread myself.

Why's that? Seats are filling up fast. Almost out of room on the bandwagon.

No worries though. Me and 9erReign will save you a seat! Just tell 'em Krizay sent you.