NFLN Suspends Faulk, Taylor, Evans, McNabb After Sexual Harassment Lawsuit

Originally posted by frenchmov:
You are delusional if you think there are women you work with that want a bunch of guys at her place of employment sending her dick pics and lewd messages. The fact that you (and I'm sure plenty of other guys) think that this is a reality shows there is a huge problem. That is how dirtbags like the guys at NFLN justify their actions. "I'm sure she likes it!"

Then you get into the issue of what do women do in this situation when you have men who discredit any allegation because "one time I heard a woman lied!" Or the always sunny argument: https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE

I don't personally know you or anyone else in this thread but if you're not just trolling I'd suggest you do some inward reflection on this issue

I don't talk in absolutes. I've met human beings of both genders that LOVE that type of "flirting." Some females hate it, some like it. The fact that you boil down an entire gender into believing they all think the same is why we have this issue. Women are unique. It's 2018 bro, come on!

You imply I'm trolling because I said all people are different? You think an entire gender, 100%, is the same and all hate that type of behavior? What a blanket statement that's disparaging. Everyone is different. And if someone does like that type of behavior, you shouldn't judge them or beat them down. Or "shame" them. If a human doesn't like that, of course they shouldn't' be exposed to it.

Please don't accuse me of trolling. I'm not sure what you've experienced in your life, but get out there and meet all types of people. We are all unique. Our sister gender also, please evolve.

Originally posted by Buchy:
I don't disagree with what you are trying to say here but I do disagree with your context and understanding.

This is the crux of the issue; men are expected to make the moves, to lead and to engage with women in these things. The problem is that many men (and I wonder if this relates to the predisposition towards autism in men) are very, very poor at reading body language and social situations. So you have a large number of clumsy, stupid men who misread a sign being lumped in with the tiny minority of malevolent sexual predators, judged as malevolent and inflating the numbers.

Now if you truly study women and understand sexual psychology and behaviour, you're going to realise that women do not want to overtly tell you it's ok to grope or send those pics. Women want a man to lead, they want encounters to be spontaneous so they can lose themselves in the moment. Stopping to give consent, permission and tell a man it's ok engages the logical part of the brain which prevents them from enjoying that moment the way they truly want to. It puts the onus of leading and decision making onto a woman and that goes against her biological criteria in mate selection.

To compound this even more, you should read something like "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" which refers the mammoth amount of erotic literature on the internet, the female equivalent of porn, or Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden" and you'll realise that the female fantasy is that wild man that takes her, not the insecure guy always asking her if she's ok or if it's ok for him to do what he's doing.

When women judge a man creepy, it's not by his actions but by what he subconsciously communicates, what his body language says but also by how SHE perceives him. The same words or actions used by a man she finds attractive are sexy, but unforgivable from a man she doesn't consider a sexual prospect. The problem for many men is that they have no idea where they stand in those categories unless they approach and they are genuinely unable to read her body language to establish which category they are in. So they muster the courage and act in the same way as men she finds attractive, only to be rebuffed or labelled a creep.

This by no means excuses those men who maliciously grope or sexually assault women with an attitude of disregard i.e. those who are motivated by their personal sexual pleasure and view a woman as an object rather than a person. They are predators who should be punished, but there needs to be some attempt to judge the intent and motive of the men rather than lump the clumsy and naïve in with the predators.

Great post. And very brave of you in this climate

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by sacniner:
Depends on the individual. Don't blanket an entire gender. Lets evolve now as men. Each respective woman is unique in their thoughts, desires, etc. Some would have LOVED that type of fun

You are delusional if you think there are women you work with that want a bunch of guys at her place of employment sending her dick pics and lewd messages. The fact that you (and I'm sure plenty of other guys) think that this is a reality shows there is a huge problem. That is how dirtbags like the guys at NFLN justify their actions. "I'm sure she likes it!"

Then you get into the issue of what do women do in this situation when you have men who discredit any allegation because "one time I heard a woman lied!" Or the always sunny argument: https://youtu.be/-yUafzOXHPE

I don't personally know you or anyone else in this thread but if you're not just trolling I'd suggest you do some inward reflection on this issue

You're delusional if you think there are women who DON'T flirt in work places or make things up:

Gemma Beale: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3793066/woman-made-up-sex-attack-claims-against-15-men-and-sent-innocent-man-to-jail-for-7-years/
Mattress Girl: http://www.konbini.com/us/inspiration/paul-nungesser-wins-lawsuit-against-columbia-university-emma-sulkowicz-mattress-girl-rape/
Crystal Magnum: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case (stabbed her boyfriend to death eventually)
Tyler Kost: http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/court-hearing-held-in-high-school-rape-investigation (Prosecutors still refuse to subpoena the full Facebook chat group logs, all rape charges dropped)
Liam Allan: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5144496/liam-allan-rape-case-met-police-cleared-croydon-crown-court/
Isaac Itiary: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/british-detectives-in-hot-water-after-second-rape-trial-in-one-week-collapses/news-story/c6ead61baca83a02e954964513ff6b0a

f**king hell, go onto the parking lot: http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/parking-lot/177727-happenend-again-teacher-bangs-student-take/

That's a thread full of links and stories of female teachers committing rape. Now you have a woman who was fired for stealing launching a CIVIL claim (i.e. not criminal) and you do not question her motives. Now she may have all the evidence ready to back up those claims, in which case the men should be punished, but this smacks to me of a desire to get settlement sums from those men without ever going to court. That tells me she isn't traumatised, if there was interaction it may very well have been bi-directional and what she actually wants is money and revenge.

So many naive men believe women are angels and that every claim of harassment or rape is true and that women never engage in sexual flirtation or interactions in the work place or whatever.

Wake the f**k up and realise that #metoo is a blend of some a minority of horrible, genuine acts of harassment and a majority of mis-remembered and embellished tales motivated by revenge and a desire for attention.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Buchy:
I don't disagree with what you are trying to say here but I do disagree with your context and understanding.

This is the crux of the issue; men are expected to make the moves, to lead and to engage with women in these things. The problem is that many men (and I wonder if this relates to the predisposition towards autism in men) are very, very poor at reading body language and social situations. So you have a large number of clumsy, stupid men who misread a sign being lumped in with the tiny minority of malevolent sexual predators, judged as malevolent and inflating the numbers.

Now if you truly study women and understand sexual psychology and behaviour, you're going to realise that women do not want to overtly tell you it's ok to grope or send those pics. Women want a man to lead, they want encounters to be spontaneous so they can lose themselves in the moment. Stopping to give consent, permission and tell a man it's ok engages the logical part of the brain which prevents them from enjoying that moment the way they truly want to. It puts the onus of leading and decision making onto a woman and that goes against her biological criteria in mate selection.

To compound this even more, you should read something like "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" which refers the mammoth amount of erotic literature on the internet, the female equivalent of porn, or Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden" and you'll realise that the female fantasy is that wild man that takes her, not the insecure guy always asking her if she's ok or if it's ok for him to do what he's doing.

When women judge a man creepy, it's not by his actions but by what he subconsciously communicates, what his body language says but also by how SHE perceives him. The same words or actions used by a man she finds attractive are sexy, but unforgivable from a man she doesn't consider a sexual prospect. The problem for many men is that they have no idea where they stand in those categories unless they approach and they are genuinely unable to read her body language to establish which category they are in. So they muster the courage and act in the same way as men she finds attractive, only to be rebuffed or labelled a creep.

This by no means excuses those men who maliciously grope or sexually assault women with an attitude of disregard i.e. those who are motivated by their personal sexual pleasure and view a woman as an object rather than a person. They are predators who should be punished, but there needs to be some attempt to judge the intent and motive of the men rather than lump the clumsy and naïve in with the predators.

Great post. And very brave of you in this climate

Yeah, I would agree with this if it was at other locations that are not work. When you are at work, there should be a switch in mentality to tell yourself, yes, this is natural, she seems like she's flirting, but let's wait until we are at a bar together or outside of the work environment for me to do my thang to her.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Yeah, I would agree with this if it was at other locations that are not work. When you are at work, there should be a switch in mentality to tell yourself, yes, this is natural, she seems like she's flirting, but let's wait until we are at a bar together or outside of the work environment for me to do my thang to her.

The sexual harassment laws cover any interaction with coworkers even outside of work now.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Yeah, I would agree with this if it was at other locations that are not work. When you are at work, there should be a switch in mentality to tell yourself, yes, this is natural, she seems like she's flirting, but let's wait until we are at a bar together or outside of the work environment for me to do my thang to her.

The sexual harassment laws cover any interaction with coworkers even outside of work now.

This. Hanging w/ co-workers outside of work doesn't make you "safe" from the rules/policies that govern harassment w/in the work place

You guys still justifying sending women unsolicited dick pics??

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Yeah, I would agree with this if it was at other locations that are not work. When you are at work, there should be a switch in mentality to tell yourself, yes, this is natural, she seems like she's flirting, but let's wait until we are at a bar together or outside of the work environment for me to do my thang to her.

The sexual harassment laws cover any interaction with coworkers even outside of work now.

Don't fish off the company pier
Don't sh*t where you work
Don't dip your pen in company ink
Don't get honey where you make your money
Don't look for nookie where you get your cookies


These are all old sayings, back when men had to make some effort to chat to women face to face to get a date. Getting dates outside of the co-worker pool is easier than ever. There is no excuse for pursuing co-workers.

There has always been a different set of rules for athletes in schools and colleges. From "tutors" who "help" them stay eligible to suit up, to erasing or covering negative behavior. Why is it a surprise that so many pro athletes think they are untouchable and above the law during and after their playing time?

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

You guys still justifying sending women unsolicited dick pics??

Is there evidence of that? I certainly won't defend it if it happened.

Originally posted by 21SandersMoss84:

You guys still justifying sending women unsolicited dick pics??

Men shouldn't be sending pics of their dick at all. Unless you are interviewing for a porn job.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3793066/woman-made-up-sex-attack-claims-against-15-men-and-sent-innocent-man-to-jail-for-7-years/ I've banged some pigs in my time but, that literally looks like a fat pig

Originally posted by DickNasty:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3793066/woman-made-up-sex-attack-claims-against-15-men-and-sent-innocent-man-to-jail-for-7-years/ I've banged some pigs in my time but, that literally looks like a fat pig

How could they not see it was false claims. Who would rape her? She would be the one doing the raping.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Buchy:
I don't disagree with what you are trying to say here but I do disagree with your context and understanding.

This is the crux of the issue; men are expected to make the moves, to lead and to engage with women in these things. The problem is that many men (and I wonder if this relates to the predisposition towards autism in men) are very, very poor at reading body language and social situations. So you have a large number of clumsy, stupid men who misread a sign being lumped in with the tiny minority of malevolent sexual predators, judged as malevolent and inflating the numbers.

Now if you truly study women and understand sexual psychology and behaviour, you're going to realise that women do not want to overtly tell you it's ok to grope or send those pics. Women want a man to lead, they want encounters to be spontaneous so they can lose themselves in the moment. Stopping to give consent, permission and tell a man it's ok engages the logical part of the brain which prevents them from enjoying that moment the way they truly want to. It puts the onus of leading and decision making onto a woman and that goes against her biological criteria in mate selection.

To compound this even more, you should read something like "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" which refers the mammoth amount of erotic literature on the internet, the female equivalent of porn, or Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden" and you'll realise that the female fantasy is that wild man that takes her, not the insecure guy always asking her if she's ok or if it's ok for him to do what he's doing.

When women judge a man creepy, it's not by his actions but by what he subconsciously communicates, what his body language says but also by how SHE perceives him. The same words or actions used by a man she finds attractive are sexy, but unforgivable from a man she doesn't consider a sexual prospect. The problem for many men is that they have no idea where they stand in those categories unless they approach and they are genuinely unable to read her body language to establish which category they are in. So they muster the courage and act in the same way as men she finds attractive, only to be rebuffed or labelled a creep.

This by no means excuses those men who maliciously grope or sexually assault women with an attitude of disregard i.e. those who are motivated by their personal sexual pleasure and view a woman as an object rather than a person. They are predators who should be punished, but there needs to be some attempt to judge the intent and motive of the men rather than lump the clumsy and naïve in with the predators.

Great post. And very brave of you in this climate

Spot on and truth as it gets

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by Buchy:

I don't disagree with what you are trying to say here but I do disagree with your context and understanding.

This is the crux of the issue; men are expected to make the moves, to lead and to engage with women in these things. The problem is that many men (and I wonder if this relates to the predisposition towards autism in men) are very, very poor at reading body language and social situations. So you have a large number of clumsy, stupid men who misread a sign being lumped in with the tiny minority of malevolent sexual predators, judged as malevolent and inflating the numbers.

Now if you truly study women and understand sexual psychology and behaviour, you're going to realise that women do not want to overtly tell you it's ok to grope or send those pics. Women want a man to lead, they want encounters to be spontaneous so they can lose themselves in the moment. Stopping to give consent, permission and tell a man it's ok engages the logical part of the brain which prevents them from enjoying that moment the way they truly want to. It puts the onus of leading and decision making onto a woman and that goes against her biological criteria in mate selection.

To compound this even more, you should read something like "A Billion Wicked Thoughts" which refers the mammoth amount of erotic literature on the internet, the female equivalent of porn, or Nancy Friday's "My Secret Garden" and you'll realise that the female fantasy is that wild man that takes her, not the insecure guy always asking her if she's ok or if it's ok for him to do what he's doing.

When women judge a man creepy, it's not by his actions but by what he subconsciously communicates, what his body language says but also by how SHE perceives him. The same words or actions used by a man she finds attractive are sexy, but unforgivable from a man she doesn't consider a sexual prospect. The problem for many men is that they have no idea where they stand in those categories unless they approach and they are genuinely unable to read her body language to establish which category they are in. So they muster the courage and act in the same way as men she finds attractive, only to be rebuffed or labelled a creep.

This by no means excuses those men who maliciously grope or sexually assault women with an attitude of disregard i.e. those who are motivated by their personal sexual pleasure and view a woman as an object rather than a person. They are predators who should be punished, but there needs to be some attempt to judge the intent and motive of the men rather than lump the clumsy and naïve in with the predators.

Great post. And very brave of you in this climate

Spot on and truth as it gets

How many women want co-workers and bosses to send them pictures of their dicks? I would guess the percentage is close to zero.
Sending a woman an unsolicited dick pic is not clumsy, it is creepy and the person who sends it is a creeper.