Quarterback Needy Teams

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
That is never gonna happen. That would be a terrible waste of resources and a great way to completely piss off Garoppolo and his agent.

The whole notion is completely out of the realm of possibility. You're not using your top two draft picks on QBs when your OL is a disaster and you have so many other holes on the roster all in the hope that maybe someday you could get an equivalent draft pick back.

If they draft a QB it is going to be late in the draft.

We took defensive linemen 3 years in a row speaking of terrible use of resources.

Jimmy G isn't signed long term. We would be covering ourselves incase he leaves or isn't the chosen one.

Our Oline will be much improved with better QB play and a free agent starter.

I'm not saying we will do it but it's no different than the Pack taking Rodgers and letting him sit for 3 years.

Don't think you're you are going to get many people to agree with you on drafting a QB with our #1 pick. The consecutive picks of 3 d lineman are way different, because you are always playing 3-4 linemen at a time. You only NEED one franchise level Qb to be successful in today's NFL. This is not the dynasty Niners, pre cap era when we could have a Steve Young backing up Joe Montana. This also isn't a situation where we have an declining star at QB who needs have a successor. Sorry, but I don't buy your reasoning at all.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Arizona Cardinals fans think they can wait until pick #9 or #10 to get their guy. lol

Nothing inspires confidence like letting the NFL pick through top QB prospects and you take the remnants as your franchise.

Any QB who will go in the 1st round will go in the top 10. It's not about BPA. The position is just too valuable. And too many teams need one.

Bruce Arians does love the long ball...

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Originally posted by Jcool:

And? Carson Wentz wasn't good as a rookie. After the 3-0 start he threw 11 TDs and 14 INTs with a 74.3 QB rating (Philly lost 9 of there last 13 games). Just like RIGHT NOW CJ Beathard isn't good. I cant predict the future. I can just go off of what has happened. Which is Beathard has not been good.

And he showed enough to give people good reason to believe that he had a very bright future in the NFL. Something boxscore surfing alone isn't going to tell you.

Beathard showed enough as a rookie in terms of poise, awareness and guts that there is no reason to believe that he can't develop into a pretty good backup QB at least.

I wonder what are the chances that we could swindle one of the QB desperate team out of two 1st's to move up in the draft to get a QB.

Originally posted by ziggy_gonna_rock:
Alex Smith will be a Cleveland Brown Next year.
Book it.

Alex Smith would sooner retire before that happens.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:
I was thinking about this.

We have 110 million in cap space so we will be bringing in a few quality starters. I would say at least 3. I suspect we will sign a center, corner and a tackle. We may resign our own and Hyde, Reid and Fusco deserve to be brought back.

This team was close. We lost What, 5 games by 3 points or less? I think with better QB play early on and if we didn't lead the league in players on IR this team would have 6 wins by now.

Which leads me to drafting a QB. Let's say we are picking at 4 or 5.

The Browns will do what the Browns do and pass on a QB at 1 for Saquon Barkley. The Giants will take Sam Darnold at 2. Denver takes Mason Rudolph at 3. So we are sitting at 4. There is still Lamar Jackson and Josh Rosen sitting there. I want nothing to-do with a mobile QB like Jackson. Shades of RG3, Kaepernick but I would be hard pressed to not take Rosen if we didn't get a trade that blows our socks off.

Do what the Pack did with Rodgers. Let him sit and learn. Garrapolo isn't signed long term. We will have 2 years of using the franchise tag if we want.

What if he gets hurt? What if he doesn't sign long term?

Not many times does a team have the chance to draft a franchise QB. Next year is not a great year for QB's. He would be a very valuable trade chip if Jimmy G plays well.

So our options are:

1- Take a QB.
2- Trade the pick.
3- Take a guy like Roquan Smith or Courtland Sutton.

That is never gonna happen. That would be a terrible waste of resources and a great way to completely piss off Garoppolo and his agent.

The whole notion is completely out of the realm of possibility. You're not using your top two draft picks on QBs when your OL is a disaster and you have so many other holes on the roster all in the hope that maybe someday you could get an equivalent draft pick back.

If they draft a QB it is going to be late in the draft.

In the 12th round.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ziggy_gonna_rock:
Alex Smith will be a Cleveland Brown Next year.
Book it.

Alex Smith would sooner retire before that happens.

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Smith still has a lot of good years ahead. His legs are still healthy and his shoulder is strong. Barring injury, no reason he cannot play to his late 30s.

Originally posted by LivingInExile:

Think we should consider drafting a QB in first round. 15 teams need QBs. Could take many years to supply their needs, and only so many good QBs will develop from each years draft. If Garoppollo does not work out, we would remain in current situation -- no QB. Better to test Garoppollo and see how he does in the fire, while developing a first rounder behind him. Prefer not remaining in no QB hell.

No way this happens. We have our QB in Jimmy G and Beathard has shown to be a capable back up.
We end up in the top 3 of the draft and someone will want that pick for a QB or Barkley. We trade back gather an extra 2nd this year and a first next year at least. Perhaps even more. We are in a good spot to cash in.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ziggy_gonna_rock:

Alex Smith will be a Cleveland Brown Next year.
Book it.

Alex Smith would sooner retire before that happens.

And niner fans on this site will still be arguing if he's good or not.

What about Alex Smith....to the Cardinals?!?!?

Originally posted by stonecold590:

Originally posted by LivingInExile:
Think we should consider drafting a QB in first round. 15 teams need QBs. Could take many years to supply their needs, and only so many good QBs will develop from each years draft. If Garoppollo does not work out, we would remain in current situation -- no QB. Better to test Garoppollo and see how he does in the fire, while developing a first rounder behind him. Prefer not remaining in no QB hell.

No way this happens. We have our QB in Jimmy G and Beathard has shown to be a capable back up.
We end up in the top 3 of the draft and someone will want that pick for a QB or Barkley. We trade back gather an extra 2nd this year and a first next year at least. Perhaps even more. We are in a good spot to cash in.

Spending $30+ million on the QB position is definitely not happening. Both Shanahan and Lynch would get ridiculed, and deservedly so. This isn't a 12 to 13 win team that can afford to take that kind of luxury. They made a hefty investment by giving up an early 2nd rounder for Garoppolo. They will get a long term extension done with him. After all that you're not going to use a Top 5 pick on another quarterback just for insurance. That would send an awful message to Garoppolo as far as your faith in him goes, it also deprives you of filling a particular hole on the roster or trading down, adding multiple picks and addressing numerous holes on the roster.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
What about Alex Smith....to the Cardinals?!?!?

If they don't bring Palmer back, then he is definitely a person of interest on their list as has been confirmed by numerous Cards beat reporters out here.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
What about Alex Smith....to the Cardinals?!?!?

IF KC decides they cannot afford his contract next season, and IF Alex refuses to re-structure, then KC makes a loyalty-based move where Alex gets his pick of places to play. AZ would be behind Jacksonville.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Spending $30+ million on the QB position is definitely not happening. Both Shanahan and Lynch would get ridiculed, and deservedly so. This isn't a 12 to 13 win team that can afford to take that kind of luxury. They made a hefty investment by giving up an early 2nd rounder for Garoppolo. They will get a long term extension done with him. After all that you're not going to use a Top 5 pick on another quarterback just for insurance. That would send an awful message to Garoppolo as far as your faith in him goes, it also deprives you of filling a particular hole on the roster or trading down, adding multiple picks and addressing numerous holes on the roster.

Pretty much sums it up. Can't spend $25 mill on a QB and then spend a high 1st draft pick on a QB just to have him sit on the bench for the next couple of years and then possibly not getting anything better than the draft pick you used to get him. Can't afford roster need in the NFL, especially this team with all the holes on the roster to take such a high pick on someone to ride the bench

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Spending $30+ million on the QB position is definitely not happening. Both Shanahan and Lynch would get ridiculed, and deservedly so. This isn't a 12 to 13 win team that can afford to take that kind of luxury. They made a hefty investment by giving up an early 2nd rounder for Garoppolo. They will get a long term extension done with him. After all that you're not going to use a Top 5 pick on another quarterback just for insurance. That would send an awful message to Garoppolo as far as your faith in him goes, it also deprives you of filling a particular hole on the roster or trading down, adding multiple picks and addressing numerous holes on the roster.

How do you know we will sign him long term?