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NFL trying to find ground for middle tier quarterbacks.

I was listening to NFL radio yesterday. It appear GM's have seen San Francisco and Seattle win with a balanced roster and paying qb's very little. Additionally very few qb's are worth the 20 million dollar money and the ones getting the 18 million are not 90% as good as the top qb's. Basically KC feels Alex is not worth 20 million a year or for that matter 18 milion a year. The GM's are hoping to get the middle tier qb's for 10-12 million a year. This will give the GM's the luxury of keeping talent around the qb.

Which QB will blink first and sign for 12 million??
Originally posted by 9erred:
I was listening to NFL radio yesterday. It appear GM's have seen San Francisco and Seattle win with a balanced roster and paying qb's very little. Additionally very few qb's are worth the 20 million dollar money and the ones getting the 18 million are not 90% as good as the top qb's. Basically KC feels Alex is not worth 20 million a year or for that matter 18 milion a year. The GM's are hoping to get the middle tier qb's for 10-12 million a year. This will give the GM's the luxury of keeping talent around the qb.

Which QB will blink first and sign for 12 million??
Brady took a bit less on average annually though not so much in guaranteed money. He helped the Pats cap though
bears screwed up the market by overpaying cutler
Originally posted by hofer36:
bears screwed up the market by overpaying cutler

DAL didn't do us any favors with the deal for Romo either
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NFL radio didn't mention the Kap and Wilson are on rookie deals which is why they are paid so little and doesn't reflect what they will get on their second contracts.
The QB market is so screwed up to begin with.


These are cap hit numbers for 2014

Eli Manning Giants $20,400,000
Ben Roethlisberger Steelers $18,895,000
Jay Cutler Bears $18,500,000
Drew Brees Saints $18,400,000
Sam Bradford Rams $17,610,000
Aaron Rodgers Packers $17,550,000
Peyton Manning Broncos $17,500,000
Matt Ryan Falcons $17,500,000
Philip Rivers Chargers $16,666,666
Matt Stafford Lions $15,820,000
Joe Flacco Ravens $14,800,000
Tom Brady Patriots $14,800,000
Carson Palmer Cardinals $12,000,000
Tony Romo Cowboys $11,773,000
Alex Smith Chiefs $8,000,000

2015
Tony Romo Cowboys $27,773,000
Drew Brees Saints $26,400,000
Peyton Manning Broncos $21,500,000
Eli Manning Giants $19,750,000
Matt Ryan Falcons $19,500,000
Ben Roethlisberger Steelers $18,395,000
Aaron Rodgers Packers $18,250,000
Matt Stafford Lions $17,721,250
Philip Rivers Chargers $17,416,668
Sam Bradford Rams $16,580,000
Jay Cutler Bears $16,500,000
Cam Newton Panthers $14,666,000
Joe Flacco Ravens $14,550,000
Tom Brady Patriots $13,000,000

2016
Joe Flacco Ravens $28,550,000
Drew Brees Saints $27,400,000
Matt Ryan Falcons $23,750,000
Matt Stafford Lions $22,500,000
Peyton Manning Broncos $21,500,000
Aaron Rodgers Packers $19,250,000
Tony Romo Cowboys $17,635,000
Jay Cutler Bears $17,000,000
Tom Brady Patriots $14,000,000


I think I must have missed the season that proved Culter/Romo should get paid more than Brady
Or the season that put Romo ahead of Brees
No QB should make more than 10% of payroll. A QB can't win by themselves. The first team to pay a QB like an NBA headliner was flat out stupid in doing so now we are all forced to do this crap
I certainly hope that Kap sees the light and realizes Super Bowls>>>>>>Endless bling, Lambos and his gigantic shoe collection.
Originally posted by KowboyKiller:
I certainly hope that Kap sees the light and realizes Super Bowls>>>>>>Endless bling, Lambos and his gigantic shoe collection.

Sad thing is... these QBs can really have both the SB ring(s) and the expensive lifestyles. So, it's like:

"12 mil per year average on my contract AND a team that can supply enough talent to keep us playoff contention?"

or

"18 mil per year average, and my team has major holes cuz we can't afford top talent around me to help me be playoff contender?"



Too much greed, ego, and too many silly contracts already handed out...
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Sad thing is... these QBs can really have both the SB ring(s) and the expensive lifestyles. So, it's like:

"12 mil per year average on my contract AND a team that can supply enough talent to keep us playoff contention?"

or

"18 mil per year average, and my team has major holes cuz we can't afford top talent around me to help me be playoff contender?"



Too much greed, ego, and too many silly contracts already handed out...
True. One NFL player doesn't impact the playoffs like 1 LeBron James so why should they be payed on a team of 53 men as if they do?
I'm sure some creative minds are working on this.

They did a GREAT job w/the rookie salary cap.

Maybe more performance based contracts will become more the norm?
Originally posted by Quest4six:
The QB market is so screwed up to begin with.


These are cap hit numbers for 2014

Eli Manning Giants $20,400,000
Ben Roethlisberger Steelers $18,895,000
Jay Cutler Bears $18,500,000
Drew Brees Saints $18,400,000
Sam Bradford Rams $17,610,000
Aaron Rodgers Packers $17,550,000
Peyton Manning Broncos $17,500,000
Matt Ryan Falcons $17,500,000
Philip Rivers Chargers $16,666,666
Matt Stafford Lions $15,820,000
Joe Flacco Ravens $14,800,000
Tom Brady Patriots $14,800,000
Carson Palmer Cardinals $12,000,000
Tony Romo Cowboys $11,773,000
Alex Smith Chiefs $8,000,000

2015
Tony Romo Cowboys $27,773,000
Drew Brees Saints $26,400,000
Peyton Manning Broncos $21,500,000
Eli Manning Giants $19,750,000
Matt Ryan Falcons $19,500,000
Ben Roethlisberger Steelers $18,395,000
Aaron Rodgers Packers $18,250,000
Matt Stafford Lions $17,721,250
Philip Rivers Chargers $17,416,668
Sam Bradford Rams $16,580,000
Jay Cutler Bears $16,500,000
Cam Newton Panthers $14,666,000
Joe Flacco Ravens $14,550,000
Tom Brady Patriots $13,000,000

2016
Joe Flacco Ravens $28,550,000
Drew Brees Saints $27,400,000
Matt Ryan Falcons $23,750,000
Matt Stafford Lions $22,500,000
Peyton Manning Broncos $21,500,000
Aaron Rodgers Packers $19,250,000
Tony Romo Cowboys $17,635,000
Jay Cutler Bears $17,000,000
Tom Brady Patriots $14,000,000


I think I must have missed the season that proved Culter/Romo should get paid more than Brady
Or the season that put Romo ahead of Brees

Remember some of those QBs had their contracts 3+ years ago and that was a lot of money. When they get their new contracts the numbers will look right again.
qb's need a separate cap
15 mil is MORE than fair for a QB like Alex. If the Cutler deal never happened...Condon would have agreed to 10-13 mi without blinking.
Originally posted by LambdaChi49:
15 mil is MORE than fair for a QB like Alex. If the Cutler deal never happened...Condon would have agreed to 10-13 mi without blinking.

Conjecture. Not agreeing or disagreeing..just saying that you can't know that.