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Brown's contract laughable

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
I always chuckle when athletes echo the same old tired cliches. "Their offer was a slap in the face, but it's nothing personal". Really...usually when someone gets slapped in the face, it's personal. lol.

Anyways, if we disrespected him I guess that means 31 other teams did as well. He didn't get the multi-year deal he wanted from anybody, Raiders included.

And LOL to how Mike "spin-master" Florio is spinning his web of lies this time:

"Brown exercised admirable restraint, given that the 49ers failed to tell Brown last year that he was blowing $2 million in base salary by not participating in the offseason workout program. (The team said it didn't know Brown was in danger of losing the money, but few in league circles believe that.)"


,,,,what? Florio please remove the seacawk from your ass, and learn how to become a proper journalist. His anti-49er bias is ridiculous and unprofessional.


Yeah I'm kind of in a pissy mood today.



This, douchebags gonna douchebags. Its not the 49ers responsibility to let Brown or his agent know that they should fully read the contract that they had signed.

Yup. It his own fault for skimping out on hiring a better agent.

Saved him 10% of 2 million dollars...oh, wait...
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by TexasNiner:
Originally posted by English:
$10million is slapping someone in the face?

And the missed practice. Guy needs to grow up and take responsibility.

I don't know why people seem so fazed by this. First, he didn't miss practice. He chose to do voluntary off-season workouts at a different location. If had realized part of his contracts was doing those workouts at the team facility with team trainers, he would have done so. But chose to workout with trainers at facilities he had used in the past.

And he probably did make the best business decsion for himself. He's not that young, will only get one more big contract, and we gave him a fair contract, but nothing special. He could easily earn something better with a solid year. And between missing out on the 2 mil last year and the likely structuring of a three year deal, he is probably making the most he can in the short run with a guaranteed $3.5 this year, and a new contract next year that will have a new signing bonus, and if he plays well, could easily be longer and more than what we gave him.

If the contact we offered had say, a $1 mil signing bonus, and base pay of say, 2, 2.5, 4.5, or something like that, which isn't improbable, it may have felt like a slap in the face because he didn't really make up for the missing $2 mil, and it was basically a 2 year deal worth 5.5, maybe 6 if the second year is 3. And I'm sure he thinks he can do better than that. He'd have to have a pretty rough year to not be able to sign a contract for at least 2-3 mil next year, so it's a good bet.

Good luck to him. We obvoiusly had a very specific budget for that contract, and he thinks he can do better. I wouldn't call us cheap or unfair, but we didn't make a particularly strong effort to keep him either. More power to him trying to maximize his earning potential while he can.

I don't think either side did anything wrong here. He didn't refuse an offer that should have made him not look elsewhere, nor did we particularly low ball him. But the sides were off by enough that the deal didn't work for either side. It happens.

So sounding off about an offer of $10million being a slap in the face and disrespectful is ok with you then.


Well, likely there was some hard feelings about the 2M that didn't materialize. As a team it didn't help us to see him walk. But I don't feel like he deserves to be in the doghouse either. He was solid for five years. # 13 corner in the league in 2012. That's good performance for what $500K? We may have been telling him we'll make it up we'll make it up, then we gave him the contract offer, and we didn't make it up. Who really knows.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Well, likely there was some hard feelings about the 2M that didn't materialize. As a team it didn't help us to see him walk. But I don't feel like he deserves to be in the doghouse either. He was solid for five years. # 13 corner in the league in 2012. That's good performance for what $500K? We may have been telling him we'll make it up we'll make it up, then we gave him the contract offer, and we didn't make it up. Who really knows.

But his agent should have made it up because it was his incompetent agent that screwed him. We fulfilled our part of the deal contractually whereas T Brown was the one that failed to participate with his team!! I don't blame him for working on his own to set himself up for a big contract year because he deserves to get every penny he can earn but the team also deserves to spend every penny wisely towards their own best interests!! Thats just business!
From an outside view I can see why je might feel cheated by the management. I know it is his own fault but neither him or his agent called the FO to point out that clause and the FO is the one who benefitted from Browns ignorance. I'm sure he is wondering why he never got a phone call to warn him he could lose 2 mill by not showingup or they simply could have waived it altogether.

In a nutshell he made a mistake snd the organization capitalized on it. That is not looking out for your players or team. It also risks causing turbulance in the locker room and obviously caused you to lose a key player in a position of pretty despatrate need.

If the same situation happened on my team I would hope they see the bigger picture and at a minimum at least contact the player and make sure he knows the cost of not showing up. At least then you could sat he made an informed decision. Or he shows up for the voluntary work outs and the team and homself benefit from it.

In truth I would be upset with the player the team and the agent.
Not sure what relationship the niners have with their player's agents, but it seems kind of an oversight on all ends. Brown should have known every little aspect that could cost him money...or make him money. But if he's not the brightest candle in the window his agent should have stayed in touch and mentioned this detail when Brown announced his intention to work out on his own.



The only question I have at this point is if the clause is legal. Making millions of dollars dependent on attending non-mandatory events seems to circumvent the unions intent...to limit year round team control. Yes, they are paying for the privilege but is that the point. The union obviously doesn't intend to make this an issue--more money in the players pockets--but if they decided to challenge this caveat would they have grounds? I would think so.
Originally posted by 12thfan:
From an outside view I can see why je might feel cheated by the management. I know it is his own fault but neither him or his agent called the FO to point out that clause and the FO is the one who benefitted from Browns ignorance. I'm sure he is wondering why he never got a phone call to warn him he could lose 2 mill by not showingup or they simply could have waived it altogether.

In a nutshell he made a mistake snd the organization capitalized on it. That is not looking out for your players or team. It also risks causing turbulance in the locker room and obviously caused you to lose a key player in a position of pretty despatrate need.

If the same situation happened on my team I would hope they see the bigger picture and at a minimum at least contact the player and make sure he knows the cost of not showing up. At least then you could sat he made an informed decision. Or he shows up for the voluntary work outs and the team and homself benefit from it.

In truth I would be upset with the player the team and the agent.
Any fan knows teams don't care about players over winning. Contracts are torn up all the time every year when teams get done with players. T Brown hired the wrong agent. It was the agents paid sole purpose to get T Brown in camp. That's his JOB!! Our job is to pay him coach him and if he's good enough play him. We did our part but we didn't babysit him either. It would have been nice if we reminded him to not forfeit $2 million and not focus on our budget. But that would have been player first. It would have been nice if T Brown had been focused on working with the TEAM and the rookies to WIN and not focus on his own upcoming free agency but that would have been team first. The way I see it T Brown was focused on him and the team on themselves as you would expect but I ask WTF was the agent focused on? It should have been his job which was to ensure T Brown met his incentives and got his money! This is real life folks and this happens to us all when we don't make a deadline or hit that quota or meet that expectation on our jobs we don't get that bonus! That's grown man talk cousin!
[ Edited by Pillbusta on Mar 22, 2014 at 10:52 AM ]
I have a question. I'm sure this has been brought up and answered many times, but maybe I'm glazing over it.

Could the 49ers legally (i.e. within the confines of NFL rules) have given Brown the $2M he missed out on? I assume they couldn't, because allowing teams to do things like that would probably open up a lot of loopholes and under-the-table payments and things like that. But it seems like the whole thing was an honest mistake; it's not like Brown is some lazy slob that just skipped workouts completely. Just a miscommunication or ignorance.

Throughout the process, it seemed like the 49ers were helpful -- like they were trying to get the issue resolved (iirc, they even gave him a nice bonus at the end of the year). But why would they not just give him the $2M? Was something preventing them from doing so?
Originally posted by kray28:
What the Niners did with that workout bonus was nothing short of a dick move. Classless would another adjective that comes to mind. Stuff like that would never have happened under Eddie D's watch. If you want to consider why free agents didn't come flocking to SF, you might want to consider that little episode with Tarell Brown did not go unnoticed.

Fail
Originally posted by theduke85:
I have a question. I'm sure this has been brought up and answered many times, but maybe I'm glazing over it.

Could the 49ers legally (i.e. within the confines of NFL rules) have given Brown the $2M he missed out on? I assume they couldn't, because allowing teams to do things like that would probably open up a lot of loopholes and under-the-table payments and things like that. But it seems like the whole thing was an honest mistake; it's not like Brown is some lazy slob that just skipped workouts completely. Just a miscommunication or ignorance.

Throughout the process, it seemed like the 49ers were helpful -- like they were trying to get the issue resolved (iirc, they even gave him a nice bonus at the end of the year). But why would they not just give him the $2M? Was something preventing them from doing so?

Because the 49ers are pinching pennies to pay for the extensions for Kap Aldon and maybe Crab and Iupati. Every penny not spent last year rolls over to this year. The same reason the team just won't give him the full $2 million is the same reason Brown stayed out of our workout program to enroll in his own. The reason is both we and he have to look after our own best interests!
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
Originally posted by kray28:
What the Niners did with that workout bonus was nothing short of a dick move. Classless would another adjective that comes to mind. Stuff like that would never have happened under Eddie D's watch. If you want to consider why free agents didn't come flocking to SF, you might want to consider that little episode with Tarell Brown did not go unnoticed.

Fail

And us seemingly opting to stay with Gore and not yet ask him to take a pay cut is a class move in my book. Not that he hasn't earned it but some teams are asking their lifetime franchise vets to either take substantial cuts or just cut them altogether. Ask Steve Smith! The d*** move was by his own agent. Instead of banging some foreign broad he should have been focused on his client getting paid!
Originally posted by theduke85:
I have a question. I'm sure this has been brought up and answered many times, but maybe I'm glazing over it.

Could the 49ers legally (i.e. within the confines of NFL rules) have given Brown the $2M he missed out on? I assume they couldn't, because allowing teams to do things like that would probably open up a lot of loopholes and under-the-table payments and things like that. But it seems like the whole thing was an honest mistake; it's not like Brown is some lazy slob that just skipped workouts completely. Just a miscommunication or ignorance.

Throughout the process, it seemed like the 49ers were helpful -- like they were trying to get the issue resolved (iirc, they even gave him a nice bonus at the end of the year). But why would they not just give him the $2M? Was something preventing them from doing so?

You give him the $2 million.
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Originally posted by English:
You give him the $2 million.

The team gave him 300,000--that was a nothing but a gift.

Brown has, or had, the option of suing his agent.

The responsibility for this fiasco lies primarily with the agent and secondarily with Brown.
Good question about the union stepping in. Seemd like taking pay away for not attending a voluntary workout kind of makes it not very voluntary.

Why hasn't the union been brought in I wonder.
Originally posted by 12thfan:
Good question about the union stepping in. Seemd like taking pay away for not attending a voluntary workout kind of makes it not very voluntary.

Why hasn't the union been brought in I wonder.

Because its an incentive, the workout is still voluntary, you just don't get paid for it if you don't show up. They can write up all kinds of incentives for attending workouts, that money is never guaranteed, if the player wants to earn that money, they have to follow through. So in essence you're never being "forced" to attend voluntary workouts, the team simply says "if you go to these workouts, you earn x amount of money more" The player can then decide whether or not the incentive is big enough to be worth the time.


Not sure why this is so hard to understand?
If you go to a store and there is a discount you take it. If you have to work something into a budget you take the breaks you can get. No matter how rich the owners of the 49ers are they have to work under their budget because of the salary cap. Their job is to give us the highest quality team. If they dont then why should we spend our hard earned money on their merchandise and/or going to their games. I've watched my team suck become a little better only to fail again. The ownership has finally turned this ship around and become perrenial finalist for the biggest prize in the game. I don't want them to change how they do business because that is the way I would run my own.