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Superbowl Vet: Seahawks Defense would have dominated any offense in NFL history

Originally posted by tab420:
And maybe your man Gore needs to learn to run outside his own house since he was held to 14 yrds on 11 carries, Sounds like he was running with his own foot in his ass.

Actually the defense took care of it for Gore, he can't do it all the time. Main thing is, Seattle still isn't better than the 9ers, since 2011 49ers lead 4-2. Paul Allens blow job to Roger Goodell is what made the difference in 2013.
Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Actually the defense took care of it for Gore, he can't do it all the time. Main thing is, Seattle still isn't better than the 9ers, since 2011 49ers lead 4-2. Paul Allens blow job to Roger Goodell is what made the difference in 2013.

How is that possible when we split last year and beat you 2 out of 3 meeting this year? And in the last two years the Niners two wins were by a average of 4 pionts. Seattle's 3 wins in the last two years were by a average of 21. And on the Paul Allen Roger Goodell statement....Grow up.
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Originally posted by tab420:
Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Actually the defense took care of it for Gore, he can't do it all the time. Main thing is, Seattle still isn't better than the 9ers, since 2011 49ers lead 4-2. Paul Allens blow job to Roger Goodell is what made the difference in 2013.

How is that possible when we split last year and beat you 2 out of 3 meeting this year? And in the last two years the Niners two wins were by a average of 4 pionts. Seattle's 3 wins in the last two years were by a average of 21. And on the Paul Allen Roger Goodell statement....Grow up.

I think he was excluding the playoff loss, but that's still 4-3, and regardless if it was by a 1/2 a point a W is a W.....correct?? And as for the Paul Allen remark, you gotta expect that coming from us 9er fans lol.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I think he was excluding the playoff loss, but that's still 4-3, and regardless if it was by a 1/2 a point a W is a W.....correct?? And as for the Paul Allen remark, you gotta expect that coming from us 9er fans lol.

Yep a win is a win but to just choose a date and say their better from that date on, is pretty random. You could also say Seattle leads the series 15-11 since joining the NFC west or you could say Seattle leads in total meeting 16-15. As for the 9er fan statement. It's all in fun and everyone here seems pretty cool overall.
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/02/05/cbs-tasker-seahawks-would-have-dominated-in-qb-in-nfl-history/


LOL is this guy on crack? Those niner teams from the 80s would have dismantled this Seahawks team. Colin Kaepernick was nearly a foot away from beating this Seahawks team in Seattle. Joe Montana is about 1000 times better than Kap. The 1989 49er team would beat any team in the history of the game. We dominated every opponent and won 55-10 against Elway in the superbowl. Sherman would have none chance of covering Rice. You got the greatest QB, WR, and Safety of all time on that team. Seahawks offense might not even score on that 89 SF defense. It would be a major ass kicking.

You can't compare teams from even 25 years ago to modern day teams because the game has evolved too much. Players today are bigger, stronger, and faster and offensive and defensive schemes are more sophisticated. The '89 49ers would give up an average of about 20-30 lbs in the trenches and would lack the overall team speed of modern NFL teams, especially a team like the Seahawks where even the linebackers have 4.5 speed. Individual players like Montana, Rice, and Lott could play in any era but if you could transport the entire team to the modern era it would have a very hard time matching up physically in today's NFL, much less dominating the 2013 Seattle Seahawks.
Originally posted by TXHawk:
Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2014/02/05/cbs-tasker-seahawks-would-have-dominated-in-qb-in-nfl-history/


LOL is this guy on crack? Those niner teams from the 80s would have dismantled this Seahawks team. Colin Kaepernick was nearly a foot away from beating this Seahawks team in Seattle. Joe Montana is about 1000 times better than Kap. The 1989 49er team would beat any team in the history of the game. We dominated every opponent and won 55-10 against Elway in the superbowl. Sherman would have none chance of covering Rice. You got the greatest QB, WR, and Safety of all time on that team. Seahawks offense might not even score on that 89 SF defense. It would be a major ass kicking.

You can't compare teams from even 25 years ago to modern day teams because the game has evolved too much. Players today are bigger, stronger, and faster and offensive and defensive schemes are more sophisticated. The '89 49ers would give up an average of about 20-30 lbs in the trenches and would lack the overall team speed of modern NFL teams, especially a team like the Seahawks where even the linebackers have 4.5 speed. Individual players like Montana, Rice, and Lott could play in any era but if you could transport the entire team to the modern era it would have a very hard time matching up physically in today's NFL, much less dominating the 2013 Seattle Seahawks.

We are just talking about the late 80's O. None of the skill players would have had any problems adjusting. Regarding the line, you leave out one important point. Which rules will they be playing by? Joe Montana gets today's qb protection and he kills anybody. But if the eighties line was allowed to block the way they blocked back then, the Seattle D line would not last a game.

Either way, the Seattle D loses.
Bottom line, It's an opinion. You can never be sure how one team will match up against another.
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Originally posted by tab420:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
I think he was excluding the playoff loss, but that's still 4-3, and regardless if it was by a 1/2 a point a W is a W.....correct?? And as for the Paul Allen remark, you gotta expect that coming from us 9er fans lol.

Yep a win is a win but to just choose a date and say their better from that date on, is pretty random. You could also say Seattle leads the series 15-11 since joining the NFC west or you could say Seattle leads in total meeting 16-15. As for the 9er fan statement. It's all in fun and everyone here seems pretty cool overall.

No you can't say.....reason I think he said 2011 well that's the year Harbaugh and Carroll met up once again. Anything from 2010 down to 2003 hardly means anything since the 9ers were pretty much an inferior team for those long hard 8 years.
Originally posted by English:
We are just talking about the late 80's O. None of the skill players would have had any problems adjusting. Regarding the line, you leave out one important point. Which rules will they be playing by? Joe Montana gets today's qb protection and he kills anybody. But if the eighties line was allowed to block the way they blocked back then, the Seattle D line would not last a game.

Either way, the Seattle D loses.

Manning was under pressure the entire game under today's rules behind a line that averaged 317 lbs so I'm not sure why you think Montana would have more time behind a line that averaged 281 lbs. And Montana never faced a defense with the kind of team speed that the Seahawks have simply because there were no defenses in the '80's with that kind of speed. Even the Jaguars have more size and speed than anyone the 49ers faced in 1989 because players are simply bigger, stronger, and faster today than they were back then.
Originally posted by TXHawk:
Manning was under pressure the entire game under today's rules behind a line that averaged 317 lbs so I'm not sure why you think Montana would have more time behind a line that averaged 281 lbs. And Montana never faced a defense with the kind of team speed that the Seahawks have simply because there were no defenses in the '80's with that kind of speed. Even the Jaguars have more size and speed than anyone the 49ers faced in 1989 because players are simply bigger, stronger, and faster today than they were back then.
This is why you can't accurately compare teams from different eras. If these athletes were born back then from SEA would they be as big fast and strong? No. They would have the same training and medicine as the 80s players. If the 80s team were born in the 80s and 90s would they be bigger stronger faster? Yes! They would have today's training and medicine. Would the NFL be the same today if Walsh hadn't coached in the 80s with the WCO and all the principles he introduced in the passing game? No. If these teams came about in the same era with the same training and medicine I like our chances but I won't knock the 80s team for dominating the competition with what they had back then in favor of what teams have to work with now and a lot of it in part to the Bill Walsh library and his coaching disciples and their offspring. If Jordan hadn't reinvented the shooting guard Kobe wouldn't have had a template. Of course today's athlete has a real chance to do better because in training medicine and football you learn from history
Originally posted by TXHawk:
Manning was under pressure the entire game under today's rules behind a line that averaged 317 lbs so I'm not sure why you think Montana would have more time behind a line that averaged 281 lbs. And Montana never faced a defense with the kind of team speed that the Seahawks have simply because there were no defenses in the '80's with that kind of speed. Even the Jaguars have more size and speed than anyone the 49ers faced in 1989 because players are simply bigger, stronger, and faster today than they were back then.

I think this year's Seahawk defense is one of the best ever, but Montana actually did face defenses with comparable size and speed. He faced corners like Darryl Green and Deion Sanders who are faster than anyone in the current Seahawk secondary. He faced defenses like the Giants and Bears who had tremendous size and speed - remember, Lawrence Taylor played for those Giants defenses - he could play today and be just as good. And, that Niners offensive line was always facing defensive fronts that outweighed them even back then. So, I'm not as sure as you that this is a slam-dunk on the current Seahawk D vs some of those Niner offenses. And, look at the 89 Niners defense - there is no way the Seahawks would have been able to run on that defense. Nobody could.
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Originally posted by tab420:
Originally posted by Heisenberg:
Actually the defense took care of it for Gore, he can't do it all the time. Main thing is, Seattle still isn't better than the 9ers, since 2011 49ers lead 4-2. Paul Allens blow job to Roger Goodell is what made the difference in 2013.

How is that possible when we split last year and beat you 2 out of 3 meeting this year? And in the last two years the Niners two wins were by a average of 4 pionts. Seattle's 3 wins in the last two years were by a average of 21. And on the Paul Allen Roger Goodell statement....Grow up.
The conspiracy theorists around here really need to think about what they are saying. Of course most of it falls under the category of being a sore loser. As far as a marketing prospective Seattle would have to be one of the worst choices for Super Bowl winner. I personally know a family of life long Seahawk fans and before the NFL package came available spent a decade+ of NFL Sunday's in sports bars. I have never met a Seahawk fan that did not have a physical connection to the Pacific Northwest. Maybe since they won a Super Bowl they will get a bandwagon following, but they didn't have one before. Of the final 4 Denver, San Francisco, and New England would have all sold way more NFL licensed products by winning than the Seahawks. No one can come up with a logical reason if the league was shady that they would pick the Seahawks to win it all.
BobS, the problem with your argument is that it's logical and makes perfect sense. Not gonna fly.
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Originally posted by TXHawk:
Originally posted by English:
We are just talking about the late 80's O. None of the skill players would have had any problems adjusting. Regarding the line, you leave out one important point. Which rules will they be playing by? Joe Montana gets today's qb protection and he kills anybody. But if the eighties line was allowed to block the way they blocked back then, the Seattle D line would not last a game.

Either way, the Seattle D loses.

Manning was under pressure the entire game under today's rules behind a line that averaged 317 lbs so I'm not sure why you think Montana would have more time behind a line that averaged 281 lbs. And Montana never faced a defense with the kind of team speed that the Seahawks have simply because there were no defenses in the '80's with that kind of speed. Even the Jaguars have more size and speed than anyone the 49ers faced in 1989 because players are simply bigger, stronger, and faster today than they were back then.
I try not to pick on the Seahawk fans, but to make a statement like that shows you have to be someone who thinks stats can tell the whole story, and never saw Montana play or watched much film of him. One thing there is a lot more to pass blocking than size, in fact size is down the list of important attributes. Oh and by the way Peyton Manning would probably win the "Most immobile quarterback award" if they had one. Joe Montana was quite mobile, he didn't drop back and stand on spot X like a statue like Manning does.
Originally posted by crake49:
I think this year's Seahawk defense is one of the best ever, but Montana actually did face defenses with comparable size and speed. He faced corners like Darryl Green and Deion Sanders who are faster than anyone in the current Seahawk secondary. He faced defenses like the Giants and Bears who had tremendous size and speed - remember, Lawrence Taylor played for those Giants defenses - he could play today and be just as good. And, that Niners offensive line was always facing defensive fronts that outweighed them even back then. So, I'm not as sure as you that this is a slam-dunk on the current Seahawk D vs some of those Niner offenses. And, look at the 89 Niners defense - there is no way the Seahawks would have been able to run on that defense. Nobody could.

I'd say that Montana faced individual defenders with the type of speed and athleticism that you see today in the NFL but not entire defensive units with that type of speed and athleticism. That isn't to disparage Montana or the '80s 49ers teams because they were among the dominant teams of their era and deserve to be in any discussion of great teams. But it was a different era and just as the '67 Packers would not have been a physical match for the '89 49ers, the '89 49ers would have difficulty matching up with the overall speed and size of the 2013 Seahawks. That's why when talking about great teams from the past it has to be based on how dominant they were vs. other teams of their era rather than trying to claim that, for example, the '70s Steelers teams would also be a dominant team in today's NFL because they wouldn't be. Superstars like Brown, Butkus, Unitas, Montana, Rice, Lott, LT, Sanders, Green, etc. could play in any era but many of the rank-and-file players from the '60s, '70s and '80s would not even get a look today.
[ Edited by TXHawk on Feb 18, 2014 at 11:24 AM ]