Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by BobS:
Said he lost 70 pounds in the first 3 months after retiring. Wonder how much of that was muscles built with steroids which disappear quickly after a person stops juicing, my guess is about half of that 70 pounds. Look at his arms before and after, naturally built muscles do not shrink that fast.
People always accuse NFL players of steroids especially when they lose weight. But it's just eating. It's calories. If you eat 7,000 calories a day and then drop down to 2,000 calories a day you will lose a lot of weight and very fast. They just eat very unnatural amounts of food and lift weights a lot so it goes on as mostly muscle.
I base my accusations on my own experiences learned from what my own body did from a little over 25 years lifting hard and what I saw around me. I had to quit lifting 14 years ago at 39 because of back surgeries from an old weight lifting accident. Only the last few years of lifting were spent in Co-ed fitness centers, the others around serious body builders and people training for sports. I have been around all types, natural athletes who were lazy, natural athletes that trained hard clean, and natural athletes that trained hard and were dirty. Been around the average Joe clean ones and dirty ones, those that worked hard and didn't. I don't have a lot of info on steroid use as most user's are tight lipped and don't even want to admit to using let alone share what cheating has got them over and above being clean.
Clean people with decent genetics can gain up to 20 pounds of muscle a year until their body maxes out, a person doing steroids can gain up to 10 pounds a month worth of muscle. If you stop working out natural made muscles will shrink but very slowly, I would run into guys who disappeared years earlier who stopped lifting for various reasons that looked slightly smaller but it was still very obvious they had lifted weights. The steroid guys I knew looked like popped balloons 3-6 months after they quit using and lifting. One guy went from looking like a Vernon Davis to a Steve Nash in a short 3 months. My arms have taken 14 years to shrink 2 1/2" and they still are significantly bigger than an average person my size. If a person quits steroids their arms will shrink 2 1/2" in a couple months. Another thing the upper trapezius muscles by the neck, no one clean no matter how big or strong everywhere else can build them where they stand out. The dead giveaway on a roid user is when those muscles are prominent. What I never figured out is why some roid users looked like they were chiseled out of stone like Vernon Davis and some others looked just big and bloated like Richie Incognito. Also a person with good genetics who works out hard (2-3 hours lifting 6 days a week) and smart will barely be able to keep up with the strengths and gains of a juicer who lifts 15-30 minutes 2-3 days a week.
I understand if a person was maintaining their weight on 7,000 calories and cut to 2,000 they would lose weight fast almost 1 1/2 pounds a day. Problem is the reason they need 7,000 calories a day goes away fast. The larger you are the more you burn, but their weight is reducing fast. Also I doubt they are putting them self through NFL level practices to the point of exhaustion, so they aren't burning as many calories. Also with out the steroids and other illegal junk the body does not recuperate near as fast, they would quickly break down and get injured if they trained as hard clean as they did dirty. Also body fat is lost at an extreme rate compared to natural made muscle (That fat on some lineman has a lot of muscle underneath it) when a person who is fat diets. These ex-players are losing the muscle as fast as the fat and that can only be because it was steroid gained muscle. Look at Barry Bonds, he wasn't fat, yet he is skinny now like when he played for the Pirates, he shrunk quick because he did not muscle up naturally.
[ Edited by BobS on Feb 5, 2014 at 10:10 AM ]