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I've been a diehard Seahawks fan since 1976, I work an average of 50 hours a week at Boeing as does my wife, I own two homes and unlike some who want to throw rocks in glass houses I can assure you I know the rules very well.

There is no question they push the envelope. Pete Carroll was a DB in college. He knows what is legal and what is not and he coaches his secondary to get every bit of ability out of them, Do they cross the line from time to time? Sure what team doesn't? It is not cheating though, it is smart football. Plain and simple and you can bet the rest of the NFL is taking notice and trying to figure out how to implement both the style of play and the type of players Pete has made successful.

I see many here trying to dismiss the super bowl victory or the accomplishments of the team by accusing them of cheating, Maybe they just don't understand the rules or maybe they are just sore losers but what Seattle is doing is text book defense. Pushing the envelope is what every team should be doing especially in this era of pass first offense. Either figure out how to slow it down or get beat by it.

Everyone in here would get upset if I posted that Crabtree pushes off on every play but the reality is he does it alot and I don't remember a single call on him for it in the last two years. It is his way of pushing the envelope. Watch how Boldin uses his body to block out the DB and put himself in the best position and then compare that to Crabtree. It is very often the text book definition of pushing off but I don't see anyone in here making posts about it.

Anyway I have work to do so I will bid you all a farewell for the day. Hope you all have a great day.
Originally posted by 12thfan:
I've been a diehard Seahawks fan since 1976, I work an average of 50 hours a week at Boeing as does my wife, I own two homes and unlike some who want to throw rocks in glass houses I can assure you I know the rules very well.

There is no question they push the envelope. Pete Carroll was a DB in college. He knows what is legal and what is not and he coaches his secondary to get every bit of ability out of them, Do they cross the line from time to time? Sure what team doesn't? It is not cheating though, it is smart football. Plain and simple and you can bet the rest of the NFL is taking notice and trying to figure out how to implement both the style of play and the type of players Pete has made successful.

I see many here trying to dismiss the super bowl victory or the accomplishments of the team by accusing them of cheating, Maybe they just don't understand the rules or maybe they are just sore losers but what Seattle is doing is text book defense. Pushing the envelope is what every team should be doing especially in this era of pass first offense. Either figure out how to slow it down or get beat by it.

Everyone in here would get upset if I posted that Crabtree pushes off on every play but the reality is he does it alot and I don't remember a single call on him for it in the last two years. It is his way of pushing the envelope. Watch how Boldin uses his body to block out the DB and put himself in the best position and then compare that to Crabtree. It is very often the text book definition of pushing off but I don't see anyone in here making posts about it.

Anyway I have work to do so I will bid you all a farewell for the day. Hope you all have a great day.

I liked the part where you called it "text book defense" and then went on to act like Seattle is revolutionizing the game. When you figure out how to make a coherent argument without contradicting yourself, feel free to take another shot.

By the way, I run into so many "fans" from '76 with their retro Largent jerseys and their stories from the Kingdome. Very believable. You've got me convinced.

On the subject of pushing off, you mean like Golden Tate? Did you happen to see the Fail Mary? Love to get your unbiased thoughts (though I know that will never happen...).

And finally, in what way is your socioeconomic status relevant to any of this? I own 28 houses and work 763 hours per week with my 17 wives at Microsoft. Beat that.

Edit: almost forgot! Pete Carroll was, is, and always will be a DB.
[ Edited by VinculumJuris on Mar 6, 2014 at 4:22 PM ]
Originally posted by 12thfan:
I've been a diehard Seahawks fan since 1976, I work an average of 50 hours a week at Boeing as does my wife, I own two homes and unlike some who want to throw rocks in glass houses I can assure you I know the rules very well.

There is no question they push the envelope. Pete Carroll was a DB in college. He knows what is legal and what is not and he coaches his secondary to get every bit of ability out of them, Do they cross the line from time to time? Sure what team doesn't? It is not cheating though, it is smart football. Plain and simple and you can bet the rest of the NFL is taking notice and trying to figure out how to implement both the style of play and the type of players Pete has made successful.

I see many here trying to dismiss the super bowl victory or the accomplishments of the team by accusing them of cheating, Maybe they just don't understand the rules or maybe they are just sore losers but what Seattle is doing is text book defense. Pushing the envelope is what every team should be doing especially in this era of pass first offense. Either figure out how to slow it down or get beat by it.

Everyone in here would get upset if I posted that Crabtree pushes off on every play but the reality is he does it alot and I don't remember a single call on him for it in the last two years. It is his way of pushing the envelope. Watch how Boldin uses his body to block out the DB and put himself in the best position and then compare that to Crabtree. It is very often the text book definition of pushing off but I don't see anyone in here making posts about it.

Anyway I have work to do so I will bid you all a farewell for the day. Hope you all have a great day.


Really? If you are a diehard fan, then why are you here craving the acceptance of 49er fans, on a 49er forum? Please, just go and celebrate your championship, for I assure you, you will get no satisfaction here. In my eyes, as a diehard 49er fan, I can accept that the Seahawks won the championship, but I can also say that they did indeed break the rules in doing so. Whether or not it was 'called' or 'caught', or other teams were doing similar things, or other players break or bend the rules is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to that fact.
Originally posted by 12thfan:
I've been a diehard Seahawks fan since 1976, I work an average of 50 hours a week at Boeing as does my wife, I own two homes and unlike some who want to throw rocks in glass houses I can assure you I know the rules very well.

Typical Seattle fan at its finest, rich little yuppie with a bunch of paragraphs/cute adjectives, but zero substance. But I can't lie, I am a little weak in the knees knowing we're all in presence of a gloating war profiteer, who has children's blood flowing through his family's swimming pools, and 401k. The 12th sociopath.

Sorry, that sounds a little rough (and I wouldn't blame you if you reported me), but I even consider the guy who puts animals in the incinerators at the Humane Society more humane than people in 'your' profession.
Michael Bennett expected to reach open market


ESPN's Adam Schefter reports free agent Michael Bennett won't re-sign with the Seahawks before the start of free agency, and plans to test the open market.

Bennett has been tossing bouquets the Seahawks' way all offseason, but has made it clear he won't be re-signing for less than top dollar. There's now a good chance he'll get that somewhere other than Seattle. According to FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo, the Jaguars and Raiders are "lurking" as potential suitors.
Originally posted by 12thfan:
I've been a diehard Seahawks fan since 1976, I work an average of 50 hours a week at Boeing as does my wife, I own two homes and unlike some who want to throw rocks in glass houses I can assure you I know the rules very well.

There is no question they push the envelope. Pete Carroll was a DB in college. He knows what is legal and what is not and he coaches his secondary to get every bit of ability out of them, Do they cross the line from time to time? Sure what team doesn't? It is not cheating though, it is smart football. Plain and simple and you can bet the rest of the NFL is taking notice and trying to figure out how to implement both the style of play and the type of players Pete has made successful.

I see many here trying to dismiss the super bowl victory or the accomplishments of the team by accusing them of cheating, Maybe they just don't understand the rules or maybe they are just sore losers but what Seattle is doing is text book defense. Pushing the envelope is what every team should be doing especially in this era of pass first offense. Either figure out how to slow it down or get beat by it.

Everyone in here would get upset if I posted that Crabtree pushes off on every play but the reality is he does it alot and I don't remember a single call on him for it in the last two years. It is his way of pushing the envelope. Watch how Boldin uses his body to block out the DB and put himself in the best position and then compare that to Crabtree. It is very often the text book definition of pushing off but I don't see anyone in here making posts about it.

Anyway I have work to do so I will bid you all a farewell for the day. Hope you all have a great day.

thanks, thats all i was looking for. i mentioned on the previous page how i think the strategy is brilliant. we had carroll here as our DC in 95 and 96 and we did similar things.
Looks like they're losing 2 of their d-lineman
Originally posted by 12thfan:
I've been a diehard Seahawks fan since 1976, I work an average of 50 hours a week at Boeing as does my wife, I own two homes and unlike some who want to throw rocks in glass houses I can assure you I know the rules very well.

There is no question they push the envelope. Pete Carroll was a DB in college. He knows what is legal and what is not and he coaches his secondary to get every bit of ability out of them, Do they cross the line from time to time? Sure what team doesn't? It is not cheating though, it is smart football. Plain and simple and you can bet the rest of the NFL is taking notice and trying to figure out how to implement both the style of play and the type of players Pete has made successful.

I see many here trying to dismiss the super bowl victory or the accomplishments of the team by accusing them of cheating, Maybe they just don't understand the rules or maybe they are just sore losers but what Seattle is doing is text book defense. Pushing the envelope is what every team should be doing especially in this era of pass first offense. Either figure out how to slow it down or get beat by it.

Everyone in here would get upset if I posted that Crabtree pushes off on every play but the reality is he does it alot and I don't remember a single call on him for it in the last two years. It is his way of pushing the envelope. Watch how Boldin uses his body to block out the DB and put himself in the best position and then compare that to Crabtree. It is very often the text book definition of pushing off but I don't see anyone in here making posts about it.

Anyway I have work to do so I will bid you all a farewell for the day. Hope you all have a great day.

Yeah, brah? Do you have two homes?
The comment was directed at the "all Seahawks fans are clueless bandwagoners who live in their parents basement".
[ Edited by 12thfan on Mar 7, 2014 at 7:06 AM ]
Double post.
[ Edited by 12thfan on Mar 7, 2014 at 7:07 AM ]
An NFC West bidding war could be coming between the 49ers and Seahawks for DE Michael Bennett. Story coming at PFT.
Originally posted by Ninerfan81:
An NFC West bidding war could be coming between the 49ers and Seahawks for DE Michael Bennett. Story coming at PFT.

Interesting. Do you guys have the money for it? All the rumors say the Hawks gave him a very competitive offer, he just wanted to test the waters to make sure he wasn't going to get a dumb Mario Williams type deal.
There might be a bidding war for Bennett but the 9ers won't be a part of it. Doesn't make any sense to invest $10M into a position of strength (D line) when there are other more pressing holes to fill.
Originally posted by Ninerfan81:
An NFC West bidding war could be coming between the 49ers and Seahawks for DE Michael Bennett. Story coming at PFT.

Niners don't get into bidding wars
Originally posted by stimpy:
There might be a bidding war for Bennett but the 9ers won't be a part of it. Doesn't make any sense to invest $10M into a position of strength (D line) when there are other more pressing holes to fill.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Niners don't get into bidding wars

We wouldn't get into a bidding war for him, but I disagree that it doesn't make sense to look into him. Seattle's defense went from very good to all-time status because they added Avril and Bennett in the offseason even though they had Clemons and Irvin in the fold already. Our defense went from solid to very good when we drafted Aldon, but we've been stuck at the very good level ever since because he's our only true pass rush specialist.

In other words, you can never have enough pass rush, especially interior pass rush which Bennett provides on 3rd downs. NYG have proved this each of their two SB runs as well with Tuck moving inside on 3rd downs.