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Roger Goodell - Review Committee

You know, when Goodell first took over, all he kept talking about was "protecting the shield", but he's done nothing but tarnish it with all these rule changes. OK, so now we need to review helmet to helmet hits. Well, maybe if they made a better helmet instead, they wouldn't have had to change the rules in the first place. The football helmet hasn't changed much in 40 years, yet how many rule changes have they made in the past 10? Sure you make more money with a watered down product, but it ain't gonna taste very good, and eventually people will stop buying it all together.

Please, stop trying to fix what isn't broken!
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by KungFuJoe:
I absolutely hate Goodell. Being commissioner doesn't make you king. He doesn't have any respect for the game or traditions. Why in the world would you get rid of the extra point? Why? He's way too radical for my taste.

Because they are boring and add nothing to the game. When they were first around you had skill players kicking them not these specialized kickers of today. It actually used to be exciting. I say get rid of it or if you want to keep it make it like rugby, have the scoring player kick it.

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Speak for yourself. The game of football is perfect the way it is.
[ Edited by KungFuJoe on Jan 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM ]
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Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by KungFuJoe:
I absolutely hate Goodell. Being commissioner doesn't make you king. He doesn't have any respect for the game or traditions. Why in the world would you get rid of the extra point? Why? He's way too radical for my taste.

Because they are boring and add nothing to the game. When they were first around you had skill players kicking them not these specialized kickers of today. It actually used to be exciting. I say get rid of it or if you want to keep it make it like rugby, have the scoring player kick it.


A little off topic, but you obviously have little understanding of rugby. Rugby has specialist kickers as well but they're on the field generally the whole time, attack & defence, and usually the most skilled player on the team.

Extra points are still extra points and have to be earned. Maybe to make things more interesting the kicker, or even both sides, should have to field the same players involved in the scoring play.
Goodell is ANTI-DYNASTY!
I've seen too many of these ridiculous horse sh*t calls go against us in recent years to make me believe it's just a coincidence anymore. That call last night was the final straw. This clown just has it out for us for whatever reason.
Originally posted by crabman82:
does this get rid of the option to go for 2?

No. He said you'd still have the option for 2, but if you miss then you'd lose a point. Just gets rid of a boring play. Might not be a bad idea.

Can't describe how infuriating it is to hear that helmet to helmet and roughness plays will probably be reviewable now. One season too late a**hole!
The extra point should continue. Sometimes you get a bad snap or a bad hold in bad weather. Or a miss or a block. I've seen it be the difference in the game and lose by 1 point. You should earn that. Some of the other ideas are good. Extra point one is bad.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The extra point should continue. Sometimes you get a bad snap or a bad hold in bad weather. Or a miss or a block. I've seen it be the difference in the game and lose by 1 point. You should earn that. Some of the other ideas are good. Extra point one is bad.

I like the idea of making the extra point like a 35-yard field goal instead of a chipshot. Raise the difficulty level a little, but don't eliminate the play entirely.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by crabman82:
does this get rid of the option to go for 2?

No. He said you'd still have the option for 2, but if you miss then you'd lose a point. Just gets rid of a boring play. Might not be a bad idea.

Can't describe how infuriating it is to hear that helmet to helmet and roughness plays will probably be reviewable now. One season too late a**hole!
Correct, he said a TD would automatically be a 7 with the option to go for a 2-point conversion...but if you fail, you only get 6.
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it's ok world

we will fix it next year
Originally posted by SFL49ER:
I really want to make a list of every call or non-call that has went against us in unfair fashion but I seriously don't have the patience to find the near 25 calls plus that screwed us over.

The worst of the worst was with Bowman being attended to still on the field by the medical staff and the ref explaining to Harbaugh that the ball belonged to Seattle with no challenge possible. That was the worst 49ers moment of my life. I have never felt so sick about my Niners being shafted as that time.

f**k those asses that are throwing the flags on big hits but cant see the f**king hold 15 yards down field
My pet peeves are centered arounf the idea that refs only throw 15-yard PF penalties on 1) violent-looking plays, 2) don't take the entire play into account (i.e. don't factor in what the offensive player does such as spin INTO a sack while ducking his head causing helmet-to-helmet contact or one player trying to stay upright while the other is falling to the ground and incidental contact) and 3) malicious intent (i.e. it's not hard to see if a defensive player is trying to injury a QB such as body slamming them, hitting them out of bound, aiming for the head on a slide, etc.). We saw Brooks get called on Brees and the very next week Ryan did not on a much more malicious act with intent.


Another is the idea that certain teams (i.e. Ravens, Seahawks, etc.) are allowed to play completely different games than any other team in the NFL (esp. at home). I have never seen defensive holdings, muggings, rappings more than these two team ever...and it's on every single play. Trust me, I'd call myself the best CB in the game too if I could maul WR's w/o recourse all the way down the field (and talk and gesture afterwards - isn't that a PF call as well?). And when they are called, 1 out of 10 times, it's almost always a small 5-yard holding vs. a pass interference b/c they hold throughout the entirety of the play.


And finally, playoff rules: It's been well documented that entire crews (see Superbowl last year) call games polar opposite in the playoffs from the regular season. Why? The bottom line is, like Harbaugh said, a foul is a foul. If you're going to make calls on guys like Brooks and Skuta then you need to call it that way across the board. Period. There is just WAY too much inconsistency in calls and often times they are only called one way. On the flip side, like in the Superbowl, how can an ENTIRE officiating crew watch our team being tackled, body slammed, held even by the jersey's stretched out and not ONE single call for holding on the Raven's safety play? To me, that screams of a deeper organization and a hidden set of rules (as alluded to be the replacement refs via the media)...no way ALL of them could just error on the justification side of being "human."
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 21, 2014 at 8:50 AM ]
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The NFL is a billion dollar industry and it insists on using part-time referees. One of them in game against Seattle worked two or three college basketball games in the same week as the NFC championship game.

The game needs full-time, well-paid professionals officiating its games.

The league needs to establish set officiating teams, to set up a rigorous training program, which would include mandatory film study each week, and to ensure that there is a uniform understanding of the rules.

Major officiating errors should result in fines and repeated errors should result in suspensions.

An apprenticeship program should be formed to help create a pool of well trained professionals.
Originally posted by buck:
The NFL is a billion dollar industry and it insists on using part-time referees. One of them in game against Seattle worked two or three college basketball games in the same week as the NFC championship game.

The game needs full-time, well-paid professionals officiating its games.

The league needs to establish set officiating teams, to set up a rigorous training program, which would include mandatory film study each week, and to ensure that there is a uniform understanding of the rules.

Major officiating errors should result in fines and repeated errors should result in suspensions.

An apprenticeship program should be formed to help create a pool of well trained professionals.

I think this is fair and would be ideal. As we've seen, one poor call can have a domino-effect on an entire season, not just for one team either.
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by buck:
The NFL is a billion dollar industry and it insists on using part-time referees. One of them in game against Seattle worked two or three college basketball games in the same week as the NFC championship game.

The game needs full-time, well-paid professionals officiating its games.

The league needs to establish set officiating teams, to set up a rigorous training program, which would include mandatory film study each week, and to ensure that there is a uniform understanding of the rules.

Major officiating errors should result in fines and repeated errors should result in suspensions.

An apprenticeship program should be formed to help create a pool of well trained professionals.

I think this is fair and would be ideal. As we've seen, one poor call can have a domino-effect on an entire season, not just for one team either.

The league has the money and resources to make these changes.

The officiating is broken and needs fixing. Adding a review is no more than a stop gag measure.
It might be needed but it does not solve the problem.

Continued poor officiating harms the integrity of the game.
[ Edited by buck on Jan 21, 2014 at 9:09 AM ]
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by buck:
The NFL is a billion dollar industry and it insists on using part-time referees. One of them in game against Seattle worked two or three college basketball games in the same week as the NFC championship game.

The game needs full-time, well-paid professionals officiating its games.

The league needs to establish set officiating teams, to set up a rigorous training program, which would include mandatory film study each week, and to ensure that there is a uniform understanding of the rules.

Major officiating errors should result in fines and repeated errors should result in suspensions.

An apprenticeship program should be formed to help create a pool of well trained professionals.

I think this is fair and would be ideal. As we've seen, one poor call can have a domino-effect on an entire season, not just for one team either.

The league has the money and resources to make these changes.

The officiating is broken and needs fixing. Adding a review is no more than a stop gag measure.
It might be needed but it does not solve the problem.

Continued poor officiating harms the integrity of the game.

It sure does! Even the biggest homer only wants the game to be called fairly and correctly within the rules consistently.

They did say that calls can be made instantaneously...they referenced the Bowman fumble and that if 54-million people can instantly see it was a fumble and recovery by us, they can easily have the booth review call down to the head official (like hockey) and move on instead of going over to the sideline to review for 5 minutes.

And how many times have we been screwed now by these "early whistles" now in championship games? That's another big one and VERY inconsistent.

BTW: Can someone explain the call on the 3rd down Dixon TD? Did they claim his elbow hit prior to crossing the goal line? Next I saw it was 4th and goal. We ended up with the TD anyhow but that play resulted in Iupati cracking his ankle and I'm sure CK with some additional pressure in pass protection and poor run blocking with Snyder in there.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jan 21, 2014 at 10:23 AM ]