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Larry Fitzgerald not open to paycut

Originally posted by Raul98:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by tondiman:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hate to mention it, but arguably, our best player, Anquan Boldin, still has to finish the season, and then win another SB, but the first here in way more than a decade. Should he do that, and his play sure suggests it, we may very well have our own contract problem with Monsieur Boldin. A lot depends on how well we do in the next 4 games, assuming all goes well. If we win out, it will be in great part due to Anquan not just in the playoffs but also all yr, doubled and all that jazz. Win it all or lose:

1.What is Anquan worth?
2.What is he worth to SF?
3.What is trent willing(more likely able) to pay?

1.I'd say the answer to the first one is plenty, being way better than vince Jackson( a great player) plus I forget the other overpaid WR this yr. Boldin outplayed them both...and with a much less experienced QB , OC and HC. So his worth is probably off the charts at $12-$15mil per

2.Anquan's worth here is the sticky part. We have other guys in pipeline(courtesy of trent, JH) and certainly we can field a very good team next yr, but nowhere near as good as with Anquan. So let's say $12 mil, altho I don't know how we come up with that kind of $$.

3.Let's say Trent offers $10 mil. IMO, he is worth more to this team, but trent has been really careful about balancing the payroll. It has allowed us to keep way more talented guys than other teams can. But that is coming to an end.
The intangibles are that Boldin could have stayed with the SB winner, but maybe he saw the wholesale housecleaning and wanted to win another SB. Also, he knew they wouldn't meet his contract demands. Bingo, SF here he comes. Now hopefully we are closing in on that similar situation in 4 more games. What would Trent do? My guess is the financially sound thing and not re-sign him...BUT...at the Cards and also Ravens, Anquan didn't get the pass chances he did here. Would that affect his desire to stay on but at a number that is in keeping with Trent's balanced payroll? Maybe. But trent's number may not enough. Whatever happens, it has been one helluva ride with Anquan. We would all love to see him stay here. Maybe AB has a plan to do so, and if so, would love to see it.

Anquan played good this year and was fundamental, but did'nt put up Fitz numbers or Megatron numbers. In fact after week one he had a drop off. He's been huge for us, but because we had virtually no one. I'd give him the same money as this year, no more.. the dude is not going to get younger next year.

he had his best season statistically since 2006

I don't care what numbers Boldin put up he has to be re signed our offense was terrible and he still put up 85 catches for 1,179 yards with 7 TD's he did it all by himself he had no one else to take the pressure off him he was our only receiver this year. (besides Davis at TE) he has fit perfectly what 49er football is hes tough and keeps his mouth shut. He didn't put up huge numbers but with out him were not in the playoffs i'm sure of that. Down the stretch hes constantly getting open and he has become Kaeps go to guy and hes tough as nails after the catch. Niners cant afford to let him go he brings so much to the team with his leadership and on the field attitude he may ask for a lot but lets not be stupid like the Ravens you bet they feel good about not paying him right now? Niners should not make that mistake.

Everything you just said about Boldin's worth this season, that was Crabtree last season. If you pay Boldin the big bucks, you lose Crabtree and no logical person would do that. Boldin has been fantastic, but Crabtree is the better receiver. He's younger, faster, runs superior routes (not even close), has great hands, etc. The only thing Boldin does better is fight for the ball when it's in the air - he's one of the very best in that aspect. I like Boldin as much as the next Niner fan, but if he wants significantly more than he's making this season, you have to let him walk, unfortunately.

If not for Crabtree's injury, I can almost guarantee you Boldin doesn't do all that he did - not only because he wouldn't have to, but because Crabtree is a top target in this league with Kap throwing him the ball. His numbers from last season (including the playoffs) since Kap took over prove this.

If you're the San Francisco 49ers, you simply don't pay a WR $10 million+ and have that receiver not be Michael Crabtree.
[ Edited by Empire49 on Jan 2, 2014 at 12:02 PM ]
Originally posted by Empire49:
Originally posted by Raul98:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by tondiman:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hate to mention it, but arguably, our best player, Anquan Boldin, still has to finish the season, and then win another SB, but the first here in way more than a decade. Should he do that, and his play sure suggests it, we may very well have our own contract problem with Monsieur Boldin. A lot depends on how well we do in the next 4 games, assuming all goes well. If we win out, it will be in great part due to Anquan not just in the playoffs but also all yr, doubled and all that jazz. Win it all or lose:

1.What is Anquan worth?
2.What is he worth to SF?
3.What is trent willing(more likely able) to pay?

1.I'd say the answer to the first one is plenty, being way better than vince Jackson( a great player) plus I forget the other overpaid WR this yr. Boldin outplayed them both...and with a much less experienced QB , OC and HC. So his worth is probably off the charts at $12-$15mil per

2.Anquan's worth here is the sticky part. We have other guys in pipeline(courtesy of trent, JH) and certainly we can field a very good team next yr, but nowhere near as good as with Anquan. So let's say $12 mil, altho I don't know how we come up with that kind of $$.

3.Let's say Trent offers $10 mil. IMO, he is worth more to this team, but trent has been really careful about balancing the payroll. It has allowed us to keep way more talented guys than other teams can. But that is coming to an end.
The intangibles are that Boldin could have stayed with the SB winner, but maybe he saw the wholesale housecleaning and wanted to win another SB. Also, he knew they wouldn't meet his contract demands. Bingo, SF here he comes. Now hopefully we are closing in on that similar situation in 4 more games. What would Trent do? My guess is the financially sound thing and not re-sign him...BUT...at the Cards and also Ravens, Anquan didn't get the pass chances he did here. Would that affect his desire to stay on but at a number that is in keeping with Trent's balanced payroll? Maybe. But trent's number may not enough. Whatever happens, it has been one helluva ride with Anquan. We would all love to see him stay here. Maybe AB has a plan to do so, and if so, would love to see it.

Anquan played good this year and was fundamental, but did'nt put up Fitz numbers or Megatron numbers. In fact after week one he had a drop off. He's been huge for us, but because we had virtually no one. I'd give him the same money as this year, no more.. the dude is not going to get younger next year.

he had his best season statistically since 2006

I don't care what numbers Boldin put up he has to be re signed our offense was terrible and he still put up 85 catches for 1,179 yards with 7 TD's he did it all by himself he had no one else to take the pressure off him he was our only receiver this year. (besides Davis at TE) he has fit perfectly what 49er football is hes tough and keeps his mouth shut. He didn't put up huge numbers but with out him were not in the playoffs i'm sure of that. Down the stretch hes constantly getting open and he has become Kaeps go to guy and hes tough as nails after the catch. Niners cant afford to let him go he brings so much to the team with his leadership and on the field attitude he may ask for a lot but lets not be stupid like the Ravens you bet they feel good about not paying him right now? Niners should not make that mistake.

Everything you just said about Boldin's worth this season, that was Crabtree last season. If you pay Boldin the big bucks, you lose Crabtree and no logical person would do that. Boldin has been fantastic, but Crabtree is the better receiver. He's younger, faster, runs superior routes (not even close), has great hands, etc. I like Boldin as much as the next Niner fan, but if he wants significantly more than he's making this season, you have to let him walk, unfortunately.

If not for Crabtree's injury, I can almost guarantee you Boldin doesn't do all that he did - not only because he wouldn't have to, but because Crabtree is a top target in this league with Kap throwing him the ball. His numbers from last season (including the playoffs) since Kap took over prove this.

If you're the San Francisco 49ers, you simply don't pay a WR $10 million+ and have that receiver not be Michael Crabtree.

i dont think anyone is saying take boldin over crabs. i believe that if we wanted to there is a way to keep both
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by Empire49:
Originally posted by Raul98:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by tondiman:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hate to mention it, but arguably, our best player, Anquan Boldin, still has to finish the season, and then win another SB, but the first here in way more than a decade. Should he do that, and his play sure suggests it, we may very well have our own contract problem with Monsieur Boldin. A lot depends on how well we do in the next 4 games, assuming all goes well. If we win out, it will be in great part due to Anquan not just in the playoffs but also all yr, doubled and all that jazz. Win it all or lose:

1.What is Anquan worth?
2.What is he worth to SF?
3.What is trent willing(more likely able) to pay?

1.I'd say the answer to the first one is plenty, being way better than vince Jackson( a great player) plus I forget the other overpaid WR this yr. Boldin outplayed them both...and with a much less experienced QB , OC and HC. So his worth is probably off the charts at $12-$15mil per

2.Anquan's worth here is the sticky part. We have other guys in pipeline(courtesy of trent, JH) and certainly we can field a very good team next yr, but nowhere near as good as with Anquan. So let's say $12 mil, altho I don't know how we come up with that kind of $$.

3.Let's say Trent offers $10 mil. IMO, he is worth more to this team, but trent has been really careful about balancing the payroll. It has allowed us to keep way more talented guys than other teams can. But that is coming to an end.
The intangibles are that Boldin could have stayed with the SB winner, but maybe he saw the wholesale housecleaning and wanted to win another SB. Also, he knew they wouldn't meet his contract demands. Bingo, SF here he comes. Now hopefully we are closing in on that similar situation in 4 more games. What would Trent do? My guess is the financially sound thing and not re-sign him...BUT...at the Cards and also Ravens, Anquan didn't get the pass chances he did here. Would that affect his desire to stay on but at a number that is in keeping with Trent's balanced payroll? Maybe. But trent's number may not enough. Whatever happens, it has been one helluva ride with Anquan. We would all love to see him stay here. Maybe AB has a plan to do so, and if so, would love to see it.

Anquan played good this year and was fundamental, but did'nt put up Fitz numbers or Megatron numbers. In fact after week one he had a drop off. He's been huge for us, but because we had virtually no one. I'd give him the same money as this year, no more.. the dude is not going to get younger next year.

he had his best season statistically since 2006

I don't care what numbers Boldin put up he has to be re signed our offense was terrible and he still put up 85 catches for 1,179 yards with 7 TD's he did it all by himself he had no one else to take the pressure off him he was our only receiver this year. (besides Davis at TE) he has fit perfectly what 49er football is hes tough and keeps his mouth shut. He didn't put up huge numbers but with out him were not in the playoffs i'm sure of that. Down the stretch hes constantly getting open and he has become Kaeps go to guy and hes tough as nails after the catch. Niners cant afford to let him go he brings so much to the team with his leadership and on the field attitude he may ask for a lot but lets not be stupid like the Ravens you bet they feel good about not paying him right now? Niners should not make that mistake.

Everything you just said about Boldin's worth this season, that was Crabtree last season. If you pay Boldin the big bucks, you lose Crabtree and no logical person would do that. Boldin has been fantastic, but Crabtree is the better receiver. He's younger, faster, runs superior routes (not even close), has great hands, etc. I like Boldin as much as the next Niner fan, but if he wants significantly more than he's making this season, you have to let him walk, unfortunately.

If not for Crabtree's injury, I can almost guarantee you Boldin doesn't do all that he did - not only because he wouldn't have to, but because Crabtree is a top target in this league with Kap throwing him the ball. His numbers from last season (including the playoffs) since Kap took over prove this.

If you're the San Francisco 49ers, you simply don't pay a WR $10 million+ and have that receiver not be Michael Crabtree.

i dont think anyone is saying take boldin over crabs. i believe that if we wanted to there is a way to keep both

The thing is, we are likely going to have to choose. Maybe Baalke can pull one out of his hat, but it doesn't seem likely. All this talk about paying Boldin big money just doesn't seem like it's going to work out. I am no cap guru, but...

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to sign Boldin for a few more years. I just don't see it happening if he demands significantly more than he made this year.
Good.

Stick to your guns Larry!

Keeping a division foe in Cap Hell is fine w/me.
He's saying I'm retiring, no one will pay that much
Get your money Fitz.
Originally posted by JimA49ers:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Originally posted by English:
$21m!!

Ridiculous.

That's enough to feed a small country lmao! It's amazing how rich a single person can get, wtf do u do with all that friggin money?

Give a percentage to your agent, and A LOT of it to the government. And remember, you are only in the league making that kind of money for a few short years, not like you're working until 60. Plus you have the added benefit of having a boatload of receivers right behind you waiting to take your spot. Just have to be real smart with your money, and not act/spend it like it's a never-ending income.

you act like you cant live off of 1 year of that alone lol and thats just even more time to enjoy the money
Originally posted by Empire49:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by Empire49:
Originally posted by Raul98:
Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Originally posted by tondiman:
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hate to mention it, but arguably, our best player, Anquan Boldin, still has to finish the season, and then win another SB, but the first here in way more than a decade. Should he do that, and his play sure suggests it, we may very well have our own contract problem with Monsieur Boldin. A lot depends on how well we do in the next 4 games, assuming all goes well. If we win out, it will be in great part due to Anquan not just in the playoffs but also all yr, doubled and all that jazz. Win it all or lose:

1.What is Anquan worth?
2.What is he worth to SF?
3.What is trent willing(more likely able) to pay?

1.I'd say the answer to the first one is plenty, being way better than vince Jackson( a great player) plus I forget the other overpaid WR this yr. Boldin outplayed them both...and with a much less experienced QB , OC and HC. So his worth is probably off the charts at $12-$15mil per

2.Anquan's worth here is the sticky part. We have other guys in pipeline(courtesy of trent, JH) and certainly we can field a very good team next yr, but nowhere near as good as with Anquan. So let's say $12 mil, altho I don't know how we come up with that kind of $$.

3.Let's say Trent offers $10 mil. IMO, he is worth more to this team, but trent has been really careful about balancing the payroll. It has allowed us to keep way more talented guys than other teams can. But that is coming to an end.
The intangibles are that Boldin could have stayed with the SB winner, but maybe he saw the wholesale housecleaning and wanted to win another SB. Also, he knew they wouldn't meet his contract demands. Bingo, SF here he comes. Now hopefully we are closing in on that similar situation in 4 more games. What would Trent do? My guess is the financially sound thing and not re-sign him...BUT...at the Cards and also Ravens, Anquan didn't get the pass chances he did here. Would that affect his desire to stay on but at a number that is in keeping with Trent's balanced payroll? Maybe. But trent's number may not enough. Whatever happens, it has been one helluva ride with Anquan. We would all love to see him stay here. Maybe AB has a plan to do so, and if so, would love to see it.

Anquan played good this year and was fundamental, but did'nt put up Fitz numbers or Megatron numbers. In fact after week one he had a drop off. He's been huge for us, but because we had virtually no one. I'd give him the same money as this year, no more.. the dude is not going to get younger next year.

he had his best season statistically since 2006

I don't care what numbers Boldin put up he has to be re signed our offense was terrible and he still put up 85 catches for 1,179 yards with 7 TD's he did it all by himself he had no one else to take the pressure off him he was our only receiver this year. (besides Davis at TE) he has fit perfectly what 49er football is hes tough and keeps his mouth shut. He didn't put up huge numbers but with out him were not in the playoffs i'm sure of that. Down the stretch hes constantly getting open and he has become Kaeps go to guy and hes tough as nails after the catch. Niners cant afford to let him go he brings so much to the team with his leadership and on the field attitude he may ask for a lot but lets not be stupid like the Ravens you bet they feel good about not paying him right now? Niners should not make that mistake.

Everything you just said about Boldin's worth this season, that was Crabtree last season. If you pay Boldin the big bucks, you lose Crabtree and no logical person would do that. Boldin has been fantastic, but Crabtree is the better receiver. He's younger, faster, runs superior routes (not even close), has great hands, etc. I like Boldin as much as the next Niner fan, but if he wants significantly more than he's making this season, you have to let him walk, unfortunately.

If not for Crabtree's injury, I can almost guarantee you Boldin doesn't do all that he did - not only because he wouldn't have to, but because Crabtree is a top target in this league with Kap throwing him the ball. His numbers from last season (including the playoffs) since Kap took over prove this.

If you're the San Francisco 49ers, you simply don't pay a WR $10 million+ and have that receiver not be Michael Crabtree.

i dont think anyone is saying take boldin over crabs. i believe that if we wanted to there is a way to keep both

The thing is, we are likely going to have to choose. Maybe Baalke can pull one out of his hat, but it doesn't seem likely. All this talk about paying Boldin big money just doesn't seem like it's going to work out. I am no cap guru, but...

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to sign Boldin for a few more years. I just don't see it happening if he demands significantly more than he made this year.

I get what you guys are saying why pay Boldin when hes old when we need to extend Crabtree who can be just as good and is younger. If the Niners go that route i will understand im just hoping they figure out a way to keep Boldin and extend Crabtree it wont be easy but might be possible. I don't know how Boldin feels about playing here but if hes happy here and happy with his role and wants to remain with a contender i hope he does everything in his power to work with the Niners on this in a way to make both sides happy. I really want Boldin around it was like a dream come true when he signed him i had wanted him here years ago. I hope they re sign him but if it wasn't meant to be it was a honor seeing him in a 49er uniform.
Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
Originally posted by English:
$21m!!

Ridiculous.
Note the words cap hit...tells me the deal was back end loaded which is poor structure.

Trent always front end loads deals and signs them in years where we have space...making the guy a bargain at the end of his deal and for very good reason.

This. Our front office has been doing a great job on these deals for our guys.
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
That's enough to feed a small country lmao! It's amazing how rich a single person can get, wtf do u do with all that friggin money?

Give half of it to the IRS for a start.
Originally posted by Bluesbro:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
That's enough to feed a small country lmao! It's amazing how rich a single person can get, wtf do u do with all that friggin money?

Give half of it to the IRS for a start.

Lol as if. The richer you are the less % of your income that goes to taxes. Cmon everyone knows this.
Fitz is going to the Colts and then everyone will s**t their pants.
He probably only has 3 good years left
Originally posted by tatdwolf49:
Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Originally posted by English:
$21m!!

Ridiculous.

That's enough to feed a small country lmao! It's amazing how rich a single person can get, wtf do u do with all that friggin money?

They help put a lot young stripperz thru college. .



that much invested on a player who's production depends on a crappy QB?