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KC: steal of the offseason?

Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Alex Smith isnt going to win you a Super Bowl. Colin Kaepernick can.

Smith has been pretty average this year. Hes relying on his D and his lack of turnovers.

If anyone is suggesting that two 2nd rounders "wasnt enough" for Alex Smith, your delusional.

lesser qbs have won superbowls. alex is playing great.

Not without help. Alex isnt the kind of QB who leads his team to a title. The KC D and Jamaal Charles are why theyre winning. The passing game has been mediocre at best. In 2011 the 49ers had a historically good D. Smith had some nice moments, but he doesnt take over the game.

I was always defending Smith when he was here, but its going SO far overboard to call him a great QB. He can win a title, he'll just never be the reason they won it all.

They had the KC Defense and Jamal Charles last year. How come they didn't win as much?.....

^^^^^
Cassel and Co threw to WRs or tried to throw.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Alex Smith isnt going to win you a Super Bowl. Colin Kaepernick can.

Smith has been pretty average this year. Hes relying on his D and his lack of turnovers.

If anyone is suggesting that two 2nd rounders "wasnt enough" for Alex Smith, your delusional.

lesser qbs have won superbowls. alex is playing great.

Not without help. Alex isnt the kind of QB who leads his team to a title. The KC D and Jamaal Charles are why theyre winning. The passing game has been mediocre at best. In 2011 the 49ers had a historically good D. Smith had some nice moments, but he doesnt take over the game.

I was always defending Smith when he was here, but its going SO far overboard to call him a great QB. He can win a title, he'll just never be the reason they won it all.

They had the KC Defense and Jamal Charles last year. How come they didn't win as much?.....

^^^^^
Cassel and Co threw to WRs or tried to throw.

In 2012, the KC QB position had 29 19 TOs. Cassel's rating was 66. Quinn's was 60. Combined 8 TDs. 20 Ints. 9 fumbles lost.

This year Smith has 23 TDs, 6 picks. One fumble lost. Rating of 91. Same receiving crew except for Fasano who has been hurt much of the year.

Still think Alex Smith was not the difference?
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Alex Smith isnt going to win you a Super Bowl. Colin Kaepernick can.

Smith has been pretty average this year. Hes relying on his D and his lack of turnovers.

If anyone is suggesting that two 2nd rounders "wasnt enough" for Alex Smith, your delusional.

lesser qbs have won superbowls. alex is playing great.

Not without help. Alex isnt the kind of QB who leads his team to a title. The KC D and Jamaal Charles are why theyre winning. The passing game has been mediocre at best. In 2011 the 49ers had a historically good D. Smith had some nice moments, but he doesnt take over the game.

I was always defending Smith when he was here, but its going SO far overboard to call him a great QB. He can win a title, he'll just never be the reason they won it all.
Clock management , Selling the play and getting the ball out on time( a big reason JAmal took all those screens to the house), reading a D and taking what they give you, clutch redzone and two minute drill performance, ball control, he's in his 1st year in a new system with 1 receiving option and no TE ... That why we see JC catching so many balls( he is wr#2). If Kap could do all this we would have ring6. Yes Alex can bring home a title as long as long as KW dosnt fumble it away.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They had the KC Defense and Jamal Charles last year. How come they didn't win as much?.....

-takeaways went from -24 in 2012 to + 21 in in 2013 (credit Bob Sutton defensively and Alex get a huge chunk of credit too for his heady play)
-Dave Toub has transformed their special teams unit from being third rate to the league's best
-Andy Reid's offensive scheming, game planning and play calling
[ Edited by KRS-1 on Dec 17, 2013 at 11:47 AM ]
now it's just getting comical with some of the anti-Alex crew.
Originally posted by boast:
now it's just getting comical with some of the anti-Alex crew.

i dont hop in and get involved, i just stop by to read the posts from those who clearly still have an agenda. just goes to show you some people will stop at nothing in an attempt to discredit someone or something that they just dont believe in.
Originally posted by dj43:
In 2012, the KC QB position had 29 19 TOs. Cassel's rating was 66. Quinn's was 60. Combined 8 TDs. 20 Ints. 9 fumbles lost.

This year Smith has 23 TDs, 6 picks. One fumble lost. Rating of 91. Same receiving crew except for Fasano who has been hurt much of the year.

Still think Alex Smith was not the difference?

He's been solid as a QB, he's literally having the exact same season that Matt Cassel had in 2010 when they were last a playoff team. Some people are get way carried away, he's done well, he's had some very good games and he's had some meh games, all in all he's given them stability at the QB position, but MVP? .
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 17, 2013 at 11:17 AM ]
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by dj43:
In 2012, the KC QB position had 29 19 TOs. Cassel's rating was 66. Quinn's was 60. Combined 8 TDs. 20 Ints. 9 fumbles lost.

This year Smith has 23 TDs, 6 picks. One fumble lost. Rating of 91. Same receiving crew except for Fasano who has been hurt much of the year.

Still think Alex Smith was not the difference?

He's been solid as a QB, he's literally having the exact same season that Matt Cassel had in 2010 when they were last a playoff team. Some people are get way carried away, he's done well, he's had some very good games and he's had some meh games, all in all he's given them stability at the QB position, but MVP? .

if you are comparing him to cassel then i have got to believe you are just going on the numbers....you watch the game and you see a qb who executes, doesnt make mistakes and when the game is on the line he has hit the clutch throw
Originally posted by HessianDud:
Originally posted by dj43:
Some very good insight here.

Andy Reid proved to have better insight into the value of Alex Smith than did anyone in the 49er organization. While Harbaugh was looking for a QB who could drive the ball down the field when his power running offense wouldn't work, and didn't think Smith could do that, Andy Reid saw Alex Smith as the perfect WCO QB for a KC team that had most of the other pieces in place to be a very good team. Since Harbaugh couldn't tell the WCO from the 1930s WPA, he had no idea as to the value of what he had right on his own roster. So while Baalke should have been able to get AT LEAST a 1st round pick for Smith, because he didn't know the value of what he had, Reid got his man for less than the Chiefs would have had to give otherwise for a top 10 NFL starting QB.

As of now, Alex Smith and the Chiefs are filling Arrowhead with happy fans while 49er fans are hoping Kaepernick can accelerate his learning process to make the most of the 49er roster and win the Super Bowl this year because anything less than a Super Bowl win this year will be considered a failed season.

just go be a Chiefs fan already.

yeah..and America, love it or leave it
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Alex Smith isnt going to win you a Super Bowl. Colin Kaepernick can.

Smith has been pretty average this year. Hes relying on his D and his lack of turnovers.

If anyone is suggesting that two 2nd rounders "wasnt enough" for Alex Smith, your delusional.

lesser qbs have won superbowls. alex is playing great.

Not without help. Alex isnt the kind of QB who leads his team to a title. The KC D and Jamaal Charles are why theyre winning. The passing game has been mediocre at best. In 2011 the 49ers had a historically good D. Smith had some nice moments, but he doesnt take over the game.

I was always defending Smith when he was here, but its going SO far overboard to call him a great QB. He can win a title, he'll just never be the reason they won it all.
you have got to be kidding. smith didnt didnt take over a game and the D carried him? he out dueled drew brees to get us to the NFC championship game man. and his efficiency was the highest in the league that year I believe. we scored more points with less attempts because smith was really good at moving the ball down the field and he was excellent in the redzone. just because we have a good defense doesnt mean the qb wasnt also very good

also took over the game vs eagles in 2011---23 point comeback, 193 yards passing in the 3rd quarter---i think alex smith gets the point many posters here dont--the point is to try to manuever things so he doesnt have to put the team on his back
Originally posted by hofer36:
if you are comparing him to cassel then i have got to believe you are just going on the numbers....you watch the game and you see a qb who executes, doesnt make mistakes and when the game is on the line he has hit the clutch throw

Yet their numbers are basically the same.

Cassel in 2010, 3150 yards, 27 TD's, 7 INT's, QB rating of 93 in 15 games.

Smith in 2013, 3140 yards, 23 TD's, 6 INT's, QB rating of 91 in 14 games.


Even the QBR's are basically identical, 53 for Cassel, 52 for Smith.


They fulfilled the same roles, make smart plays, don't turn the football over, quality game management. Combined with their talent on defense and possibly the 2nd best RB in the NFL, they'll win a lot games with that sort of efficiency.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 17, 2013 at 11:40 AM ]
Originally posted by Niners99:
Alex Smith isnt going to win you a Super Bowl. Colin Kaepernick can.
nick
Smith has been pretty average this year. Hes relying on his D and his lack of turnovers.

If anyone is suggesting that two 2nd rounders "wasnt enough" for Alex Smith, your delusional.

of course this is just rank speculation at this time--he had chance and didnt---i dont think this statement is true until he shows he can make plays consistently as a pocket passer--you cant build plays off a qb continually escpaing the pocket and looking for the big throw
Originally posted by hofer36:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Alex Smith isnt going to win you a Super Bowl. Colin Kaepernick can.
nick
Smith has been pretty average this year. Hes relying on his D and his lack of turnovers.

If anyone is suggesting that two 2nd rounders "wasnt enough" for Alex Smith, your delusional.

of course this is just rank speculation at this time--he had chance and didnt---i dont think this statement is true until he shows he can make plays consistently as a pocket passer--you cant build plays off a qb continually escpaing the pocket and looking for the big throw

Kap got his first chance in his first year mostly because of the way he played in those games. Without Kap, we don't get there and we don't even make that epic comeback.

Kap is an NFC champion. Give him some respect.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by hofer36:
if you are comparing him to cassel then i have got to believe you are just going on the numbers....you watch the game and you see a qb who executes, doesnt make mistakes and when the game is on the line he has hit the clutch throw

Yet their numbers are basically the same.

Cassel in 2010, 3150 yards, 27 TD's, 7 INT's, QB rating of 93 in 15 games.

Smith in 2013, 3140 yards, 23 TD's, 6 INT's, QB rating of 91 in 14 games.


Even the QBR's are basically identical, 53 for Cassel, 52 for Smith.


They fulfilled the same roles, make smart plays, don't turn the football over, quality game management. Combined with their talent on defense and possibly the 2nd best RB in the NFL, they'll win a lot games with that sort of efficiency.

you can post stats all day long. they still don't tell the entire story. Alex is far better than Matt Cassel pre-snap at the LOS.

and then we can talk about Matt Cassell and his downward spiral compared to Alex who continues to improve every single year.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by dj43:
In 2012, the KC QB position had 29 19 TOs. Cassel's rating was 66. Quinn's was 60. Combined 8 TDs. 20 Ints. 9 fumbles lost.

This year Smith has 23 TDs, 6 picks. One fumble lost. Rating of 91. Same receiving crew except for Fasano who has been hurt much of the year.

Still think Alex Smith was not the difference?

He's been solid as a QB, he's literally having the exact same season that Matt Cassel had in 2010 when they were last a playoff team. Some people are get way carried away, he's done well, he's had some very good games and he's had some meh games, all in all he's given them stability at the QB position, but MVP? .

How many years in a row has Cassel been successful though? Huard, Kolb, Cassel, Flynn etc. all have been one year wonders. There is a difference between one good season and 3 in a row.
[ Edited by JiksJuicy on Dec 17, 2013 at 12:03 PM ]