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KC: steal of the offseason?

Originally posted by dj43:
Originally posted by daWest:
Well, if you wanna know my opinion, I'm like, well, hell yeah the trade should've yielded more from a 49ers standpoint, especially since we have yet to really see a return on the transaction. But that's me being needy. And also, my knack for perceiving things in retrospect. Had anyone foreseen the effect Andy Reid and Alex would've had on the Chiefs turnaround, of course they would've demanded more, and rightly so. As it stands, the 49ers front office accepted the best deal on the table. Do I hold it against them? Yes, absolutely. In 2 years under the right regime, Alex killed the majority of his critics, won the hearts of doubters, AND after receiving tutelage in SF, he finds himself in a system that suits him even better. I feel the talent evaluators in SF should've been privy to the fact that Alex would be immensely beneficial to an Andy Reid screen-oriented offense, and in turn, pried a 1st round pick out of the deal. And again, that's me, and my perfect 20/20 hindsight vision. But still...damn...we've yet to see a return on the trade minus the cap space and moves made in lieu of.

Some very good insight here.

Andy Reid proved to have better insight into the value of Alex Smith than did anyone in the 49er organization. While Harbaugh was looking for a QB who could drive the ball down the field when his power running offense wouldn't work, and didn't think Smith could do that, Andy Reid saw Alex Smith as the perfect WCO QB for a KC team that had most of the other pieces in place to be a very good team. Since Harbaugh couldn't tell the WCO from the 1930s WPA, he had no idea as to the value of what he had right on his own roster. So while Baalke should have been able to get AT LEAST a 1st round pick for Smith, because he didn't know the value of what he had, Reid got his man for less than the Chiefs would have had to give otherwise for a top 10 NFL starting QB.

As of now, Alex Smith and the Chiefs are filling Arrowhead with happy fans while 49er fans are hoping Kaepernick can accelerate his learning process to make the most of the 49er roster and win the Super Bowl this year because anything less than a Super Bowl win this year will be considered a failed season.

I disagree with the majority of this. Smith or Kaep had to go, and the 49ers took the younger and cheaper option. If Smith had been head and shoulders better they would have found a way to keep him. This is not the 80's, and you can't have a Joe Montana and Steve Young on the same team. So they got two second rounders for AS. You can also say they traded AS and a 6th for Boldin and two seconds. Essentially that is what happened, as Smith's salary allowed Boldin to come aboard. Kaep is as good as Alex right now, with so many more intangibles and things to game plan for. He will end up blowing Smith out of the water career wise, and this forum will look back and chuckle. All that being said, I couldn't be happier for Smith and am glad he is playing at such a high level for a playoff team. The classic win / win.

Reid was not smarter than anyone except maybe other GM's around the league that didn't want to take a chance. The 49ers knew what they had in Smith, but Kaep's talent was too big to ignore and a decision had to be made. This is not the pre-salary cap times when you could afford the luxury of two hall of fame QB's on the same team (not that either Kaep of Alex are that ... but I think you get my point).
Originally posted by Zachary:
I think its a fair deal for both of us. We were able to hand the torch to Kap, who lead us to the superbowl last year and the playoffs this year. Alex is doing his thing in the AFC in the perfect system. One can only dream about a SB with 49ers/chiefs

don't forget that AS paved the way with the 6 wins...
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Originally posted by YungAce:
May be the best deal in NFL history, no joke. Hopefully we take advantage of those picks

tank carradine will be a beast
I think they got the better end of this. I have never seen Alex play better than this. He seems to get better every single year.
I don't think trading two second round picks, one of those being a top pick is a steal.

It looked like a steal for us, but it turned about to be an equal trade.

Rename the thread to "Fair Deal of the off-season."
Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
Originally posted by dj43:
The irony of that was that the majority of Chiefs fans were hoping to use the #1 overall pick on Geno Smith. When the Alex Smith trade was announced, most of those bought into the "game manager" nonsense and just went ballistic over the trade. They HATED the deal.

Wonder how many of them would still prefer Geno over Alex?

Very few, from what I read. Not sure about majority for the underlined though. As it often was for SF fans... the majority was actually the minority.... that minority was just more vocal and crybabyish.. which made them seem like the majority.

It may have been a vocal minority but the PlanetChief site just seemed to explode when the trade was announced. Most were NOT happy.

They are now.
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
I think they got the better end of this. I have never seen Alex play better than this. He seems to get better every single year.

Remember what Urban Meyer said about Alex Smith. When he gets it down he gets it down like no other. All those different offensive systems he had to learn and OC's he had to work with -- all contributing to his skill set and decision making now. The boy is scary!
Not a steal by any means IMO. Remember Alex is playing good, but their Defense is like the 2011 49ers D. The steal IMO is Boldin for a friggin 6th round pick. I never thought Alex would net us 2 2nd's. And never thought the Boldin deal would only cost a late 6th. hoping and praying Baalke extends Boldin asap.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Not a steal by any means IMO. Remember Alex is playing good, but their Defense is like the 2011 49ers D. The steal IMO is Boldin for a friggin 6th round pick. I never thought Alex would net us 2 2nd's. And never thought the Boldin deal would only cost a late 6th. hoping and praying Baalke extends Boldin asap.

I agree. The boldin trade was a steal.
It was an even deal across the board. The Chiefs got them a franchise QB who we could not afford the keep and it would have been unfair to make either Alex or Kap sit on the bench, so we had to trade/cut him. Luckily the trade worked out and we got fair compensation for Alex given his spotty history, but the biggest thing was the cap relief which allowed us to acquire Anquan for nothing. Because the truth is we would be dead in the water without Q.

In the long term if Tank pans out to be an equal replacement for Cowboy, and we draft a stud WR with that two we got this year and Anquan stays with us for a few years and helps bring a ring, with the development of Kap combined then Trent looks like a mastermind. Andy Reid will look good regardless period because all KC has to do is win a few playoff games and be relevant for 3-5 years with Smith and their fan base should be pleased given their recent history.

I think Kap and Alex will eventually win Super Bowls and possibly play each other in one, which would be a hell of a story and an all time great SB.

Hopefully other teams see how this trade worked out for both sides and they make more off season moves like this. I'm still salty we did not go after Josh Gordon with that extra 2nd. Trent would bullet proof had he pulled that off... Tank, Q, and Gordon for Alex Smith would basically have been the trade. If you had told someone in the Nolan/Sing days that we would get two #1 wideouts and a pass rusher with all pro potential you would have been b***h slapped on the SPOT! Funny what a few games can change.
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Not a steal by any means IMO. Remember Alex is playing good, but their Defense is like the 2011 49ers D. The steal IMO is Boldin for a friggin 6th round pick. I never thought Alex would net us 2 2nd's. And never thought the Boldin deal would only cost a late 6th. hoping and praying Baalke extends Boldin asap.

AB81 much respect for your brother but that defense is getting way too much credit, a few weeks ago... yes they 75% of the reason the Chiefs were rolling. But two times they had to slow down Denver and couldn't while Alex and the O still put up more than enough points to win the ball game. Yet the Chargers D put it on the Broncos at Mile High. Then yesterday the Raiders rolled up like 30 points.
I think many are being overly harsh at this point because nobody, not even those on this site, would have predicted how much success Alex could have in Kansas City. Further, Alex would be riding pine if he wasn't moved so many are forgetting that. You have to look at the time and two second rounders for a guy like Alex seems about right in my view. Had Alex been as effective BEFORE the deal was made, that is during his tenure in San Francisco, then yeah he could command more.

The real question that should come of this is the coaching in San Francisco. One year after leaving San Francisco and a guy many were willing to throw to the curb is one of the best QB's in the league this year. It makes me wonder what we might be missing production-wise from Kaepernick to be honest.
[ Edited by bzborow1 on Dec 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM ]
Yes Charles is having a great year
Alex is the type of QB who does not need a lot to win ball games, just a defense that can keep the opponent around 24 points. He's mobile, accurate, and smart. No e won't torch you for 400 yards passing but he won't turn it over and keeps chipping away at the defense. Not my first choice at QB but if I had to chose between all the middle of the pack guys I'd go with him.
We still don't even know what we will have getting Chiefs 2014 2 rd pick. I think it was a good deal since we had to let one of them go.
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