Originally posted by trogdor:
Wouldn't defensive holding in the end zone result in a penalty and the ball given to the offense on the 1 yard line? If defensive holding results in a safety the non-call last night could have been a safety too. I don't think you're correct about defensive holding in the end zone being a safety.
You're getting the two confused.
If the offense
commits any penalty in the endzone, it's an automatic safety. That's what the Ravens should have been flagged for at the end of the Super Bowl last year. It's also why Brady was flagged for Intentional Grounding in the Giants Super Bowl the year prior (he was in the endzone, in the pocket and threw the ball away to avoid giving up a safety).
A safety can only called on the offense when they have possession of the ball, and are tackled, commit a penalty in the endzone, or go out of bounds with the ball in the endzone their team is defending.
If a defensive
player commits a penalty in the endzone, the ball is placed at the one yard line (there is no safety since the defense can't be called for a safety)
Originally posted by hofer36:
i dont know what people you are referring to--my point is simple--if 10 players hold, the refs need to throw a flag because holding is a penalty--not 1 ref did on the play--to me that smacks of incompetence--granted it had nothing to do with the outcome, but a ref shouldnt be weighing whether his throwing a flag will have an effect on the outcome
The person who brought it up in this thread is a prime example, it was brought up when it first happened as well.
As I said before, I not disagreeing with you. People are under the assumption that if the flags were thrown, it's a redo of the down, when it's not since there was offensive holding in the endzone.. No matter if the refs threw those flags or not, the outcome of the game is exactly the same. Should they have thrown the flags, yet, does them throwing the flag or not impact the game in any way, shape or form, no.