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LT- Johnathan Martin- bullying inside Dolphins locker room

Originally posted by tjd808185:
It's his dad and it really doesn't seem like he fell too far from the tree either. That says nothing about their friendship. When you have everyone on the team saying they were friends I'm going to go with that.



That is pretty standard fare for bullies and victims...the victims befriend them in self interest. Did you guys grow up in a convent?
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Nov 10, 2013 at 7:52 AM ]
Originally posted by IdahoNiner:
LOL....His best friend...

So who did Incognitos dad hear all that nonsense from he was spewing on discussion boards?

His dad went IN on Pouncey, Martin and other guys on the team, he made a bunch of bizarre claims, absolute wall of typo's, censored words....etc, just nuts.
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Did Martin whine? Did he run to the press? Did he start throwing players to the media? He didn't even go to the press until the team management threw him under the bus. Then someone, perhaps Martin, released the tapes of Incognito to demonstrate that the team was dead wrong in their portrayal of the situation. So far I haven't seen Martin on 60 minutes crying so I think he has handled this as well as anyone could or should have.

As for all the Miami Dolphin players giving interviews on both sides...that says a lot about the state of the franchise and leads me to believe Martin is much more mature than the average player in that locker room.

Ding ding.



Hilarious to see these big tough guys in the Miami locker room crying about the mean media bullying them.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 10, 2013 at 8:41 AM ]
Originally posted by solidg2000:
I was being sarcastic lol
In the article the ex teammate said incognito would reach out to Martin
He even showed concern for Martin after Martin stormed out

That ex teammate hasn't been with the team since August 2012, yet writes as if he had first-hand experience with stuff that happened in 2013, the article may as well have been written by Incognito. He writes about the Vegas trip and the voicemail as if he was there yet if this goes in front of a judge, he wouldn't be allowed to testify because he simply wasn't there and thus it would be hearsay.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 10, 2013 at 9:22 AM ]
According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, Incognito was summoned to the league office prior to the 2012 season to discuss off-field incidents that apparently never made it to the public eye. (One of those incidents surely related to the golf-course incident that came to light this week.) Schefter also reports that Incognito was involved in a June 2013 fight at a night club.

Incognito reportedly punched bouncer Carlos Joseph (the brother of former NFL defensive tackle William Joseph), Incognito was punched as well, and security cameras showed Incognito spitting out blood. And let's not forget that Incognito allegedly punched and knocked out a security guard at an incident before the start of 2013 training camp.

These past incidents quite likely will be used by the Dolphins to support the suspension of Incognito as the straw that broke the camel's back. Or, perhaps more accurately, the punch that rearranged the camel's face.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/10/report-league-summoned-incognito-to-league-office-prior-to-2012-season/
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 10, 2013 at 8:46 AM ]
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
That is pretty standard fare for bullies and victims...the victims befriend them in self interest. Did you guys grow up in a convent?

Another theory could be Incognito was mentoring him, which is by the a responsibility he takes on as OL captain, and Martin just couldn't handle his bullish personality. I'm not going to paint him as a bad teammate because he throws around meaningless trash talk about wanting to f*** his sister.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Nov 10, 2013 at 8:55 AM ]
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
That is pretty standard fare for bullies and victims...the victims befriend them in self interest. Did you guys grow up in a convent?

Another theory could be Incognito was mentoring him, which is by the a responsibility he takes on as OL captain, and Martin just couldn't handle his bullish personality. I'm not going to paint him as a bad teammate because he throws around meaningless trash talk about wanting to f*** his sister.

Most of his teammates say he was mentoring him. Obviously he was too strong handed in trying to toughen up the kid. Sometimes personalities clash and this seems to be the case. Until Martin says otherwise I'm going to listen to teammates who had firsthand knowledge of the situations take on it.
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Exactly MT @jessespector We're all still acting like Jay Glazer training athletes he's covering isn't a huge conflict of interest, right?
Incognito being interviewed on Fox NFL Sunday claiming he was Martin's "best friend on the team".
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Would like to see FOX release the version of this Incognito interview that doesn't have his responses edited/cut off in mid-sentence.
Originally posted by SoCal9er:
Incognito being interviewed on Fox NFL Sunday claiming he was Martin's "best friend on the team".

They shared over 1,100 text messages. Apparently he thought he was Martin's best friend. I'm not passing judgement anymore until I see Martin's account. This whole deal is blurred. Incognito obviously was crossing some line, but I don't think Martin knew where his own line was.
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Richard Deitsch ‏@richarddeitsch

Will re-watch Glazer interview multiple times today. Some v. good Qs. Punted on any hard Qs on allegedly harassing a women at a golf course.

Fox Sports and @JayGlazer say this is the full transcript of the Incognito interview that aired on FoxNFLSunday:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Richie-Incognito-Miami-Dolphins-Jonathan-Martin-Jay-Glazer-full-transcript-111013?cmpid=tsmtw:fscom:NFLonFOX
[ Edited by Jcool on Nov 10, 2013 at 9:59 AM ]
alot of dolphins are on INCOGNITOS' side.

Martin has stepped on ancient guild ground that dates back to high school locker room depths.

Incognito is one of their best , if not the best players on the team.

He's calling black guys the N word and they're ok with it.

Always 2+ sides to every story.

I'll wait and see.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Another theory could be Incognito was mentoring him, which is by the a responsibility he takes on as OL captain, and Martin just couldn't handle his bullish personality. I'm not going to paint him as a bad teammate because he throws around meaningless trash talk about wanting to f*** his sister.

My point is less about Incognito than about the organization that would allow him to "mentor" a young player. Does his history really lead you to believe he has the judgement and mental stability to be a role model? I know that some try to turn a guy around by putting him in a leadership position, but wise management keeps a very close eye on these situations as they can blow up in your face. Sounds like the intent of the management was to change Martin and make him tougher, meaner or more physical. The best way to do that is not to subject him to racial slurs and family slams. They should have hired Singletary to run the nutcracker with the OLine.


Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
They shared over 1,100 text messages. Apparently he thought he was Martin's best friend. I'm not passing judgement anymore until I see Martin's account. This whole deal is blurred. Incognito obviously was crossing some line, but I don't think Martin knew where his own line was.

This seems to be a really good stand on the situation. I can't dismiss my feelings about Incognito and team management but there may be some extenuating circumstances that make Martin somewhat less a victim. It would not surprise me if both players are a bit unstable mentally...Incognito I have no doubt. Would be very curious to get Harbaugh's take on it...but that will never happen!
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Nov 10, 2013 at 10:29 AM ]