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LT- Johnathan Martin- bullying inside Dolphins locker room

Originally posted by 49erMike:
- at least we agree Incognito is mentally off too lol
- Martin was "attacked" by texts that were jokes (in very poor taste) there is no telling what kind of stuff Haley would've texted if he was off his meds and that technology existed then.
- or you could argue that no one was as mentally weak as Martin. Matt Millen stated he hated playing with Haley. He could've snapped at any time. Romo could've snapped as well.
- Ihave to say it worked out well for Romo because the harassment stopped for him.
- Kevin Gogan was on SI as the dirtiest player in football, yet Walsh brought him in.

Harry Edwards? Come on. Ask some of the players how they really feel about this guy.

I completely agree that Walsh was nothing but class. But I think Martin would've blown the whistle on That locker room as well. My point is that some people just don't belong in certain occupations. Nolan....s**t *happy thoughts happy thoughts* lol

You got a problem with Harry Edwards? Dude has been with the team forever.
Originally posted by 49erMike:
Another thing I don't get is everything that comes out in favor of Incognito is considered "CYA", while everything coming out in favor of Martin is considered factual in the way the media is portraying it.

And yes, I think incognito is just as big a dbag as Martin is a puss (for NFL football)

The problem is that the stories don't match. Hartline says that Martin played the voicemail for everyone in the locker room, Tannehill said that he had never heard of any voicemail, now all of a sudden Hartline took back his comment about the voicemail being shared in the locker room, one player says that Incognito swore at everybody and was loud and rude to everyone, not just Martin, then Tannehill comes in and says that he's never heard Incognito swear or talk down to anyone.....it just gets to be too much. Each day the legend of Saint Richie seems to grow within that Dolphins locker room, within a week, they'll be claiming that Incognito and Martin were riding a tandem bike down the Miami Beach boardwalk and that Incognito spent his free time helping old ladies cross the street. It is starting to be too much, its not hard to tell when someone is trying to play you.


Combine that with the original reports coming from the Miami organization that Incognito had been a "model citizen" with them, then we learn that he had sexually harassed a female volunteer at a team event and held official OL meetings at Big Louie's House of Tata's.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 9, 2013 at 10:11 AM ]
Originally posted by 49erMike:
- at least we agree Incognito is mentally off too lol
- Martin was "attacked" by texts that were jokes (in very poor taste) there is no telling what kind of stuff Haley would've texted if he was off his meds and that technology existed then.
- or you could argue that no one was as mentally weak as Martin. Matt Millen stated he hated playing with Haley. He could've snapped at any time. Romo could've snapped as well.
- Ihave to say it worked out well for Romo because the harassment stopped for him.
- Kevin Gogan was on SI as the dirtiest player in football, yet Walsh brought him in.

Harry Edwards? Come on. Ask some of the players how they really feel about this guy.

I completely agree that Walsh was nothing but class. But I think Martin would've blown the whistle on That locker room as well. My point is that some people just don't belong in certain occupations. Nolan....s**t *happy thoughts happy thoughts* lol


Walsh did? Are you sure about that?
Originally posted by 49erMike:
- at least we agree Incognito is mentally off too lol
- Martin was "attacked" by texts that were jokes (in very poor taste) there is no telling what kind of stuff Haley would've texted if he was off his meds and that technology existed then.
- or you could argue that no one was as mentally weak as Martin. Matt Millen stated he hated playing with Haley. He could've snapped at any time. Romo could've snapped as well.
- Ihave to say it worked out well for Romo because the harassment stopped for him.
- Kevin Gogan was on SI as the dirtiest player in football, yet Walsh brought him in.

Harry Edwards? Come on. Ask some of the players how they really feel about this guy.

I completely agree that Walsh was nothing but class. But I think Martin would've blown the whistle on That locker room as well. My point is that some people just don't belong in certain occupations. Nolan....s**t *happy thoughts happy thoughts* lol

We know Martin was attacked by social media, even though the team and Incognito denied it, because the evidence is/was available to read. We can't know how much went on in the locker room or out of the team areas because they were verbal and unless someone filmed them or taped them there won't be any hard evidence.

But since everyone denied there was any problem...until the evidence was released, I don't rely on honesty from the team or from Incognito. If you'll remember, the team indicated that Martin had a personal problem unrelated to the team.

There have been careers ruined by this type of harassment but most players understood they should just put their tails between their legs and slink away. Martin actually made a stand, even though it was to leave the team in dramatic fashion. Is he doing so from courage? Or fear? We won't know until more comes out but I'm not in the mind to blame him for this mess...it's Miami management who made the mistake of using a bully, insane guy to lead the team. Now they can live with this and try to make the best choices they can...which I doubt are very good considering their past decisions.

Gogan--dirty player is different than insane team mate. Conrad Dobler was one of the dirtiest players in the history of the NFL but he didn't attack team mates...same with Gogan. I don't like dirty play but that's not what is being discussed here...at least by me.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24196141/brian-hartline-says-jonathan-martin-was-laughing-at-voicemail
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24196141/brian-hartline-says-jonathan-martin-was-laughing-at-voicemail
the voicemail was a joke, even martin took it as a joke. also, the full voicemail is not released yet. reports are that he ends the message by making it known it was a joke as well.

like i said before, theres more to this story.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
the voicemail was a joke, even martin took it as a joke. also, the full voicemail is not released yet. reports are that he ends the message by making it known it was a joke as well.

like i said before, theres more to this story.


How do you know this? Because Hartline, who later subjected his comments to the "I may have been mistaken" label said so? Once again, just because Brian Hartline made the claim doesn't mean it actually happened, especially when teammates like Tannehill didn't remember it at all.



Its hilarious how readily people are willing to buy the b******t coming out of the Dolphins locker room. Thus far I know there was a voicemail sent to Martin, I know the voicemail was absolutely filthy and contained racist comments, I know that the Dolphins coaches sicced a goon like Incognito on Martin to "toughen him up", beyond that, there's little else known factually.

Inconsistent claims from a bunch of players who are circling the wagons to protect their dysfunctional locker room have no merit to me at this point.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Nov 9, 2013 at 10:30 AM ]
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Originally posted by English:
Leaving the team and the game he has trained for and which pays his salary is scarcely a hissy fit. It may be an extremely brave act or an extremely desperate one. And you demean it with a stupid phrase.

Hopefully, you are never in a position where such an option appears the only solution. In the meantime keep the personal remarks out of what is a somewhat emotional thread.

what personal remarks?

yes, I think a grown man who got upset and left the team because a few of his teammates pulled an innocent prank on him is enough for me to call it a hissy fit.

"Like I said, grow up".

And if you think all that happened to Martin is an innocent prank, I don't know what to say to you at all. If it all happened to you, I wonder how you would feel.

im not allowed to say that martin needs to grow up? lol
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
the voicemail was a joke, even martin took it as a joke. also, the full voicemail is not released yet. reports are that he ends the message by making it known it was a joke as well.

like i said before, theres more to this story.


How do you know this? Because Hartline, who later subjected his comments to the "I may have been mistaken" label said so? Once again, just because Brian Hartline made the claim doesn't mean it actually happened, especially when teammates like Tannehill didn't remember it at all.

ya that could be true, but why would he just make it up and lie about something like this? the nfl is investigating, the dolphins are investigating, he would be putting his career on the line with this lie. and most player DO NOT speak to reporters about what goes on in the locker room, and if they do it seems like its always an anonymous guy saying it, or after they retire. i'm not surprised that dolphin players "didnt know" about this...come on, cant believe anybody would buy that.

it's hard to believe that his teamates didnt know this was going on, especially the QB. you'd think martin would show some kind of frustration, and if it was that bad, i doubt he would be able to perform as a starter. learning the playbook is hard enough for a rookie and getting used to the NFL, i doubt he would've been able to play at this high of a level if he was actually getting "harassed" by richie. especially if this kid is that "weak" minded, he would've folded way before last week.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
ya that could be true, but why would he just make it up and lie about something like this? the nfl is investigating, the dolphins are investigating, he would be putting his career on the line with this lie. and most player DO NOT speak to reporters about what goes on in the locker room, and if they do it seems like its always an anonymous guy saying it, or after they retire. i'm not surprised that dolphin players "didnt know" about this...come on, cant believe anybody would buy that.

it's hard to believe that his teamates didnt know this was going on, especially the QB. you'd think martin would show some kind of frustration, and if it was that bad, i doubt he would be able to perform as a starter. learning the playbook is hard enough for a rookie and getting used to the NFL, i doubt he would've been able to play at this high of a level if he was actually getting "harassed" by richie. especially if this kid is that "weak" minded, he would've folded way before last week.

If you understand that virtually every single veteran leader they had in 2012 left the team and a goon like Incognito became one of the top veterans and team leaders, it makes perfect sense. If you read the statement published by Martin's attorney, it was basically a shot across the bow, it indicated that Incognito wasn't the only one involved in harassing Martin.


In the end, once the NFL independent investigator does his job, cuts through the BS and collects his evidence, we'll know a lot more about what really happened. I just think its amusing how much the Dolphins organization has started to try and whitewash the whole situation over the past couple of days. The transformation of Incognito from goon and locker room room cancer to being ready for sainthood has been amazing.
also pheonix, we havent heard the FULL voicemail yet. one of the miami herald journalist reported that there is more on that voicemail. supposedly, richie ends the voice mail by saying " just playin,okay talk to you later, calm me back" in a calm tone.

up until a couple days ago (you can check my posts from earlier in this thread) i was fully behind martin. but the more new things are coming to light now, ive been changing that stance as well. it's a fact that the two of them were pretty much best friends. numerous times they were spotted together in many different places, they even took a horse carriage ride in new orleans.

all im saying, for somebody who hated richie so much, he sure did spend a lot of time with him. there's something weird going on here, i really believe theres more to this story. hell, for all we know maybe they had a secret gay relationship and are just having a gay fight right now
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
ya that could be true, but why would he just make it up and lie about something like this? the nfl is investigating, the dolphins are investigating, he would be putting his career on the line with this lie. and most player DO NOT speak to reporters about what goes on in the locker room, and if they do it seems like its always an anonymous guy saying it, or after they retire. i'm not surprised that dolphin players "didnt know" about this...come on, cant believe anybody would buy that.

it's hard to believe that his teamates didnt know this was going on, especially the QB. you'd think martin would show some kind of frustration, and if it was that bad, i doubt he would be able to perform as a starter. learning the playbook is hard enough for a rookie and getting used to the NFL, i doubt he would've been able to play at this high of a level if he was actually getting "harassed" by richie. especially if this kid is that "weak" minded, he would've folded way before last week.

If you understand that virtually every single veteran leader they had in 2012 left the team and a goon like Incognito became one of the top veterans and team leaders, it makes perfect sense. If you read the statement published by Martin's attorney, it was basically a shot across the bow, it indicated that Incognito wasn't the only one involved in harassing Martin.


In the end, once the NFL independent investigator does his job, cuts through the BS and collects his evidence, we'll know a lot more about what really happened. I just think its amusing how much the Dolphins organization has started to try and whitewash the whole situation over the past couple of days. The transformation of Incognito from goon and locker room room cancer to being ready for sainthood has been amazing.

i also have a problem with how people are making richie look like he did nothing wrong, especially without having seen or heard the full evidence so far.

all i know, is that theres more to this story than what we've seen so far.
Originally posted by TheG0RE49er:
i also have a problem with how people are making richie look like he did nothing wrong, especially without having seen or heard the full evidence so far.

all i know, is that theres more to this story than what we've seen so far.

LOL.........you have a problem with how PEOPLE make Incognito look?




Local 10 News in Miami reports that Incognito harassed a volunteer at the annual Fins Weekend Golf Tournament by "touching her privates with a golf club and emptying a bottle of water in her face." In the police report, the officer who responded to the woman's complaint wrote, "I was dispatched to the Aventura Police Station to meet with the victim of a Battery. Upon my arrival, I met with [the accuser]. She stated that earlier this date, she was a volunteer for the Miami Dolphins Organization as a hole monitor, for the annual 'Fins Weekend Golf Tournament,' which was held at the Turnberry Resort and Hotel. While performing her duties, she was approached by one of the Dolphins players Richie Incognito. According to her, Mr. Incognito had been drinking and was acting very inappropriate towards her. [The accuser] states that Mr. Incognito used his golf club to touch her by rubbing it up against her vagina, then up her stomach then to her chest. He then used the club to knock a pair of sunglasses off the top of her head. After that, he proceeded to lean up against her buttocks with his private parts as if dancing."


Cleeland was with the Rams when they drafted Richie Incognito and he sensed early on that Incognito was trouble.

"I'm not afraid to say that he was an immature, unrealistic scumbag," he said. "When it came down to it, he had no personality, he was a locker-room cancer, and he just wanted to fight everybody all the time. It was bizarre beyond belief."







In the NFL, he quickly gained a reputation as a dirty player, even being voted as the league's dirtiest in a 2009 survey by the Sporting News. The St. Louis Rams gave up on him after he head-butted two opponents in 2009, the latest of the 38 penalties he committed with the Rams in four seasons. The Buffalo Bills claimed him, but dumped him after three games, leading him to Miami, where he seemed to settle down after signing in 2010. He spoke of getting treatment for depression and learning from his mistakes.





"Richie Incognito is... a dirty and disrespectful player," Jackson said on Twitter. "For those wondering...I played him 4x when I was with Seattle. We all knew to watch our KNEES and be alert for his antics."








Richie Incognito once bullied a teammate so badly that the teammate suddenly got up from the ground and stomped out of football practice. It was early 2002 — long before Incognito was accused of similar behavior with the Miami Dolphins. Incognito was just a freshman at Nebraska, but that didn't stop him from picking fights or harassing teammates, in this case a non-scholarship offensive lineman named Jack Limbaugh. Incognito plowed into Limbaugh's back during practice, knocking him to the ground for no apparent reason. Limbaugh responded by getting up, grabbing his equipment and walking out, according to the diary of teammate David Kolowski.







Incognito was All-Big 12 as a sophomore offensive tackle at Nebraska in 2003 but was suspended for repeated violations of team rules before the 2004 season and subsequently dismissed at Oregon later that year after attempting to transfer.










Bills LB Kawika Mitchell did not roll out the welcome mat for Richie Incognito after Buffalo picked up the lineman on waivers from St. Louis on Wednesday. Mitchell disparaged Incognito, cut by the Rams on Tuesday, in a series of Twitter posts before eventually recognizing he had spoken out of turn. Of Incognito's addition to the Bills, Mitchell said: " BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT THIS YR. THE GUYS A BUM. DIRTY AND ALWAYS... WILL BE. REALLY WISH I WAS PLAYIN RITE NOW. SERIOUSLY... I KNO WE'RE N NEED OF OLINE BUT THIS GUY SUKS BALLS."





"In my eyes, that's low-class," Dockett said. "That one individual that everybody knows, he's been able to play that way since college. The league is going to have to do something about it, because one day he's going to really injure somebody's career. The guy was trying to hurt some of our guys."







Seahawks players criticized Incognito before a game in 2008, accusing him of jumping late onto piles and twisting ankles. "You know, like the FBI's 20 Most Wanted? Yeah, he'd be on that list," Seahawks linebacker Julian Peterson said.
Lets not forget Vernon Davis fought all the time
In fact there have been a lot of fights

Again all the voice mails and text is just friendly banter

The strip club meetings were not official meetings